Muskrat Wormtongue origin story

[Blue Full Moon]

Very interesting. Elon Musk's dad talks about Elon's maternal grandparents, who were in the Nazi party in Canada and moved to South Africa because they supported the Apartheid regime.

There is an interview.

[DarcieD]

1. Psychopathy is an inherited disorder

Just like Trump, Muck inherited psychopathy, as well as narcissism. Not sure about JD Vance's family but it was there somewhere in his evil tree.
It's horrible and terrifying to see three - not just one but three - reeking, hulking, trying-to-look-human Malignant Narcisssists together, soon to be fighting over who gets to push the red button..

[Mister Ed]

2. In what publication, or at what link, can this be read? n/t

[MineralMan]

3. Link, please.

[Blue Full Moon]

4. It was on a meme

I can't figure out how to post pictures.

[MineralMan]

5. So, you don't know if it is true or not?

Sorry, but memes are not sources.

[Blue Full Moon]

6. For discussion not latest breaking news

From doing google searches it does check out. Just can't locate the interview.

[Blue Full Moon]

7. Got it

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/comments/1gzjsup/elon_musks_father_discusses_elons_maternal/&ved=2ahUKEwiXktGSpPqJAxWxODQIHVH_MHwQFnoECBwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1vaK5CPyesG_o-hshJjjJs

[MineralMan]

9. As you can see, discussion includes questions

about the source of statements. I asked. You responded. Memes are simply not a source of information. They are often not actually true.

If you say where what you post came from, your posts will be better understood. If you don't, someone like me is going to ask you where what you wrote came from, as I did.

[Celerity]

13. A far more detailed article about his maternal grandfather, J. N. Haldeman

The World According to Elon Musk's Grandfather

What happened to antisemitic rants before social media.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-world-according-to-elon-musks-grandfather

https://archive.ph/MySTC

snip

Haldeman was born in Minnesota in 1902 but grew up mostly in Saskatchewan, Canada. A daredevil aviator and sometime cowboy, he also trained and worked as a chiropractor. In the nineteen-thirties, he joined the quasi-fascistic Technocracy movement, whose proponents believed that scientists and engineers, rather than the people, should rule. He became a leader of the movement in Canada, and, when it was briefly outlawed, he was jailed, after which he became the national chairman of what was then a notoriously antisemitic party called Social Credit. In the nineteen-forties, he ran for office under its banner, and lost. In 1950, two years after South Africa instituted apartheid, he moved his family to Pretoria, where he became an impassioned defender of the regime.

Before the age of the Internet, the writings of political extremists tended to be privately published, in quite small numbers. An angry man typing out memos about an invisible world government might make a few mimeographs or carbon copies, but the chance that any ended up in a library, catalogued and preserved, is slight. Presumably, most of Haldeman’s papers remain in family hands, if they have not been destroyed. But some of his writing survives, including in the Michigan State University library’s extraordinary Radicalism Collection.

In 2017, the collection acquired two of Haldeman’s tracts, as part of a trove from an anonymous donor which has now grown to nineteen thousand pieces of right-wing propaganda and conspiracy literature. One of the Haldeman tracts, “The International Conspiracy to Establish a World Dictatorship and the Menace to South Africa,” is dated May, 1960. The timing is significant. In February, 1960, Harold Macmillan, the British Prime Minister, delivered his famous “Wind of Change” speech to the South African Parliament, discountenancing apartheid and urging acceptance of independence movements: “The wind of change is blowing through this continent, and, whether we like it or not, this growth of national consciousness is a political fact.” In March, South African police opened fire on a crowd of thousands of Black South Africans protesting outside the Sharpeville police station, killing sixty-nine people, including children, and wounding nearly two hundred. The killings were captured on television and the coverage reached around the world. In the ensuing protests and state of emergency, Nelson Mandela was among eighteen thousand people arrested and jailed. Haldeman’s tracts defended white rule against an “international conspiracy” that opposed it.

“Every day the brain-washers repeat and emphasize the things they want us to believe,” Haldeman warned in his forty-two-page May, 1960, tract. “As examples ‘The Natives are ill-treated,’ ‘underpaid,’ ‘underprivileged,’ ‘separate development is wrong,’ ‘apartheid is un-Christian.’ Every day newspapers, magazines, commercial radio newscasters, bioscopes, din this into the conscious and subconscious minds of the public.” (“Bioscopes,” here, means motion pictures.) “People who know it is 99% untrue repeat these lies emphatically and emotionally,” Haldeman wrote. Haldeman railed against many dark forces that he believed to be propagating these ideas: Jewish bankers, Jewish intellectuals, philanthropic foundations run by Jews, communists, Black leaders, and anyone who supported the overthrow of colonial rule in Africa. “The facts of history show that the White man has always developed the country he inhabits to the benefit of all concerned,” he wrote, peddling stock apartheid propaganda, and “The Black people of Africa have been in close contact with civilization from the earliest times but, on their own, built nothing and discovered nothing, not even the wheel.”

snip

[MineralMan]

14. Thanks for posting that.

Actual Information is good.

On the other hand, my grandparents had just about zero influence on me. I suspect that's true for a lot of people. I'm no fan of Elon Musk, but I'm also not much interested in the politics of his grandfather. The current Musk is bad enough all on his own.

I'm also not a fan of visiting the evils of ancestors on people today. While there might be a connection, there isn't necessarily one, especially from grandparents and earlier.

However, had this information been available when the original post was made, I'd have not said anything at all. It was not, though, and the "meme" referred to by the OP was the only thing there was. There's too much of that here these days.

[Celerity]

15. his maternal grandfather died when Elon was 3 years old, btw

[MineralMan]

16. And there you are.

My paternal grandfather died before I was born. My maternal grandfather lived until I was in my 20s, but had virtually no influence on me at all. I saw him about once a year, but he was never very communicative with me.

Mostly, grandparents are pretty irrelevant to the development of the second generation. Only through the parents do they have much impact.

[Maru Kitteh]

8. A MEME? Jesus Christ. A MEME? That's all you've got?

Go fish.

[Blue Full Moon]

10. I will tell you that those sound bites.

Are probably the most way people get info. They don't don't have the attention span to be able to read and comprehend. Seems like maybe we should be doing this as well.

[MineralMan]

11. Yes, they do that.

However, that doesn't mean that we should fall into lockstep with "most people." As you post here, you're going to see that we insist on actual facts that can be verified. Sketchy stuff gets questioned. Every time.

And, isn't that how it should be? I think so.

[Blue Full Moon]

12. The interview was posted

If someone really wants to look it up they can. But memes are posted on this site every day