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markpkessinger

(8,875 posts)
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 08:36 AM Apr 2025

Posted this last night on Facebook re: Kilmar Abrego Garca

There will likely be some ruptured family relationships over my post, but I don't care anymore. I needed to say this!

Several times over the past week, I have sat down to write a post about Kilmar Abrego García, but each time I found even trying to write about it to be so disturbing and upsetting that I had to abandon the effort. But it is far too important an issue to let pass without saying something.

Of all the things Trump has done, the deportation, with no due process, of Mr. Abrego García to a brutal prison in El Salvador, from which, it is said, there is virtually no hope of ever being released, despite a Federal judge's order prohibiting the government from deporting him to that country, and despite the fact that the man has never been accused of a crime in either the U.S. or El Salvador, and Trump's outright refusal to lift a finger to facilitate his return, despite a UNANIMOUS Supreme Court ruling ordering the administration to do just that, is so far beyond the pale both legally and morally as to beggar belief!

It is something straight out of the USSR under Stalin, or out of 1930s Germany. It is monstrous . A lawyer for the Trump administration admitted that the man's deportation was "a mistake," and that there was no basis for deporting him. (And for telling the truth in Court, said lawyer was promptly fired by Pam Bondi.)

And just as disturbing as Trump's actions have been the reactions by many Trump supporters. One, commenting in the New York Times, wrote: "I don't see the problem; the man was here illegally, and now he's back in El Salvador where he belongs." Look, yes, Mr. Abrego García initially entered the country illegally. But he soon thereafter commenced an application for asylum. That case has not yet been finally adjudicated, but a federal judge found his claim to be credible enough to issue the order that should have protected him. Once that order had been issued, Mr. Abrego García's legal status changed, and from that point forward he had every right to be here. Full stop.

And even if you believe that he should have been denied legal status, the idea that a man who was fleeing violence in his country of origin, and entered the country illegally, committed such a grave crime as to be deserving of life imprisonment in one of the most brutal prisons in the world . . . that is just about the sickest, cruelest, most inhumane and inhuman response imaginable.

Not to mention that the right to due process is one of the foundational rights for which this country fought a revolution.

How could anyone, knowing he had perpetrated such an injustice against someone, be unwilling to do everything in his power to correct it? The fact that Trump is so unwilling to even try makes me wonder, horrible though it is to contemplate, if Mr. Abrego García is even still alive.

So I will say this to ANY Trump supporter in my orbit: if you can look at what has been done to Mr. Abrego García and still support Trump, or even if you can look at it and shrug with indifference, then I no longer know who you are. And if your humanity has become so constricted that you cannot see this for the utter moral outrage it is, I'm really not sure I want to know you at all!
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Posted this last night on Facebook re: Kilmar Abrego Garca (Original Post) markpkessinger Apr 2025 OP
Agree completely. This Abrego Garcia situation is outrageous. sop Apr 2025 #1
The power at your disposal to inflict such gross injustice,.... magicarpet Apr 2025 #2
I hate to say this RockCreek Apr 2025 #16
That is a double edged sword,... magicarpet Apr 2025 #19
It has to be personal for them to feel it. JMCKUSICK Apr 2025 #3
As soon as a WASP gets that treatment some of them will realize that they could be next. Dave Bowman Apr 2025 #4
They won't hear about it. haele Apr 2025 #20
Like this typical Trump supporter. sop Apr 2025 #10
As someone said Dan Apr 2025 #12
Indeed. Sad but true. calimary Apr 2025 #27
Without due process there is no rule of law. hay rick Apr 2025 #5
Excellent. LoisB Apr 2025 #6
Thank you for putting so well into words what has been rambling around in my mind. Bumbles Apr 2025 #7
I really don't think MAGA are really regretting their support. Dan Apr 2025 #13
Probably because NOBODY wants to admit they were wrong, much less that they've been HAD. calimary Apr 2025 #28
It has been said here before, but the US judicial system has twisted itself into pretzels to give Rump due process, and LaMouffette Apr 2025 #8
Thank you for this post Ohioboy Apr 2025 #9
I agree BonnieJW Apr 2025 #11
And if we ever return to a nation of Laws Dan Apr 2025 #14
no more letting it go RockCreek Apr 2025 #17
I feel your emotional pain when trying to write about this, markpkessinger. I, too, struggle to comprehend the cruelty. wordstroken Apr 2025 #15
sickest, cruelest, most inhumane and inhuman response imaginable. progressoid Apr 2025 #18
Exactly. Kilmar was here LEGALLY. SunSeeker Apr 2025 #21
Amen! Joinfortmill Apr 2025 #22
Good on you Hekate Apr 2025 #23
I want to steal your last paragraph drmeow Apr 2025 #24
It's a beauty, alright! calimary Apr 2025 #29
Absolutely -- it's a public post! n/t markpkessinger Apr 2025 #31
I Couldn't agree more. Bluethroughu Apr 2025 #25
Your moral compass is strong and true DaBronx Apr 2025 #26
Kick SheltieLover Apr 2025 #30
Beautifully stated. yardwork Apr 2025 #32

sop

(17,280 posts)
1. Agree completely. This Abrego Garcia situation is outrageous.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 08:45 AM
Apr 2025

Asking Trump supporters to feel any sympathy is pointless. This is why they voted for Trump. They love what he's doing.

magicarpet

(18,456 posts)
2. The power at your disposal to inflict such gross injustice,....
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 09:22 AM
Apr 2025

.... is what is paramount. To be able to exert such power over others has certainly got to be Devine.

A gift from God,... your being his chosen emmisary to carry out God's Intent, God's Will, and God's Law. It does not get more powerful than that in religious or political spheres.

Praise be the Lord,.. Amen.



RockCreek

(1,244 posts)
16. I hate to say this
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 02:43 PM
Apr 2025

but if the military must intervene to uphold the constitution....it is time and so be it.

magicarpet

(18,456 posts)
19. That is a double edged sword,...
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 03:16 PM
Apr 2025

... one side could cut the enemy,... the other side could cut you.

There are good soldiers and there are bad soldiers. If the Fascist soldiers gain control of our military,.. and they come against the good soldiers,... what may be the result ?

JMCKUSICK

(4,942 posts)
3. It has to be personal for them to feel it.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 09:31 AM
Apr 2025

You know, the guy at the hardware store, the really helpful guy at the meat counter at the grocery store, their neighbors whose kids played with yours and are still best friends etc...
That's the real tragedy of Sinclair broadcasting, Fox, Newsmax. No human interest stories that elicit empathy and compassion.
It is FRIGHTFUL that they will feel all sorts of feelings to protect an abused animal they have no connection to but a brown human? No chance!

haele

(15,030 posts)
20. They won't hear about it.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 03:28 PM
Apr 2025

Anyone who is arrested and sent to one of the camps will be declared a depraved domestic enemy of the state who deserved to lose their citizenship. No matter their color, class, religion.
We are all Evil Socialists. Depraved Paedophile Liberal. Enemy of the Righteous - Because like most Monsters or Cult members, they believe their way is right...
A Social Compact or Democracy is weak and feckless at best. The only thing that matters to Mobsters or Cult members is Winning at all costs and being considered Special. Anything that contradicts that Special status is Blasphemous and must be eradicated.
We all have already heard them, becoming louder and clearer since the 1980's.

No Mercy - mercy is a Weakness to them.

sop

(17,280 posts)
10. Like this typical Trump supporter.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:44 AM
Apr 2025

Probably a "nice" old lady who loves her grandkids, goes to church on Sundays and helps her neighbors...but she really hates "illegals." If you were to ask her why she wants millions of hardworking, tax-paying, law abiding people deported, she would likely answer, "Because, they're breaking the law...we have to follow the law...we're a nation of laws...without the rule of law, what would America become?"

hay rick

(9,312 posts)
5. Without due process there is no rule of law.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 09:39 AM
Apr 2025

Approval of or indifference to the removal of Mr. Abrego Garcia can only be understood as acceptance of dictatorship.

Expel these people from your life. They are morally corrupt and psychologically toxic.

Bumbles

(418 posts)
7. Thank you for putting so well into words what has been rambling around in my mind.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:03 AM
Apr 2025

During the last trump administration, I lost a friendship because I couldn't relate then with someone who praised trump. When I explained then to her that admiring what trump represented meant that she and I were on such different planes, that her values were so different from mine, that we could never connect on the most important and basic issues, nor did I want to. She seemed actually to be unable to understand. Now, the divide is even greater and the entrenchment of those supporting trump still holds, though there seem to be some who regret their support of him. Is it, will it be enough?

Dan

(4,927 posts)
13. I really don't think MAGA are really regretting their support.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 11:09 AM
Apr 2025

But I do believe that a number of the Independents who ate the shit sandwich are regretting the taste now.

calimary

(88,861 posts)
28. Probably because NOBODY wants to admit they were wrong, much less that they've been HAD.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:45 AM
Apr 2025

LaMouffette

(2,564 posts)
8. It has been said here before, but the US judicial system has twisted itself into pretzels to give Rump due process, and
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 10:07 AM
Apr 2025

Rump has abused the right to due process at every turn.

For this convicted FELON and traitor and Russian-asset pervert SCUM bag who instigated a violent insurrection against the US government to, first of all, be allowed to even run for a second term as president, let alone get elected, and second, then turn around and strip an innocent man of his right to due process is just beyond comprehension.

BonnieJW

(3,077 posts)
11. I agree
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 11:05 AM
Apr 2025

I will also say that our outrage is warranted for ALL people being apprehended, detained and/or deported without due process

Dan

(4,927 posts)
14. And if we ever return to a nation of Laws
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 11:11 AM
Apr 2025

I would hope everyone that had an active role are charged and due process administered according to their level of culpability.

RockCreek

(1,244 posts)
17. no more letting it go
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 02:46 PM
Apr 2025

as has happened in the switch from republicans to democrats in the past.
That just enables future worse crimes.

wordstroken

(1,402 posts)
15. I feel your emotional pain when trying to write about this, markpkessinger. I, too, struggle to comprehend the cruelty.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 11:55 AM
Apr 2025

progressoid

(52,502 posts)
18. sickest, cruelest, most inhumane and inhuman response imaginable.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 03:09 PM
Apr 2025

That describes most every one I know that defends trump.

SunSeeker

(57,441 posts)
21. Exactly. Kilmar was here LEGALLY.
Wed Apr 16, 2025, 04:05 PM
Apr 2025

He even was able to prove he was not a safety risk when Trump tried to deport in him 2019. Trump did not appeal. https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/apr/14/fact-checking-nayib-bukele-and-trump-officials-on/

Nobody has show any evidence that Kilmar is a member of MS-19, let alone that he is a terrorist. He is a union sheet metal worker. His US CITIZEN wife and two US CITIZEN children have a right to not be unconstitutionally denied their husband and father.

calimary

(88,861 posts)
29. It's a beauty, alright!
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:50 AM
Apr 2025

"So I will say this to ANY Trump supporter in my orbit: if you can look at what has been done to Mr. Abrego García and still support Trump, or even if you can look at it and shrug with indifference, then I no longer know who you are. And if your humanity has become so constricted that you cannot see this for the utter moral outrage it is, I'm really not sure I want to know you at all!"

yardwork

(68,884 posts)
32. Beautifully stated.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 04:45 PM
Apr 2025

Please PM me so that I can friend you on Facebook. I would be honored to repost this there. I haven't seen such a comprehensive well said summary of this outrage.

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