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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPosted this last night on Facebook re: Kilmar Abrego Garca
There will likely be some ruptured family relationships over my post, but I don't care anymore. I needed to say this!
Of all the things Trump has done, the deportation, with no due process, of Mr. Abrego García to a brutal prison in El Salvador, from which, it is said, there is virtually no hope of ever being released, despite a Federal judge's order prohibiting the government from deporting him to that country, and despite the fact that the man has never been accused of a crime in either the U.S. or El Salvador, and Trump's outright refusal to lift a finger to facilitate his return, despite a UNANIMOUS Supreme Court ruling ordering the administration to do just that, is so far beyond the pale both legally and morally as to beggar belief!
It is something straight out of the USSR under Stalin, or out of 1930s Germany. It is monstrous . A lawyer for the Trump administration admitted that the man's deportation was "a mistake," and that there was no basis for deporting him. (And for telling the truth in Court, said lawyer was promptly fired by Pam Bondi.)
And just as disturbing as Trump's actions have been the reactions by many Trump supporters. One, commenting in the New York Times, wrote: "I don't see the problem; the man was here illegally, and now he's back in El Salvador where he belongs." Look, yes, Mr. Abrego García initially entered the country illegally. But he soon thereafter commenced an application for asylum. That case has not yet been finally adjudicated, but a federal judge found his claim to be credible enough to issue the order that should have protected him. Once that order had been issued, Mr. Abrego García's legal status changed, and from that point forward he had every right to be here. Full stop.
And even if you believe that he should have been denied legal status, the idea that a man who was fleeing violence in his country of origin, and entered the country illegally, committed such a grave crime as to be deserving of life imprisonment in one of the most brutal prisons in the world . . . that is just about the sickest, cruelest, most inhumane and inhuman response imaginable.
Not to mention that the right to due process is one of the foundational rights for which this country fought a revolution.
How could anyone, knowing he had perpetrated such an injustice against someone, be unwilling to do everything in his power to correct it? The fact that Trump is so unwilling to even try makes me wonder, horrible though it is to contemplate, if Mr. Abrego García is even still alive.
So I will say this to ANY Trump supporter in my orbit: if you can look at what has been done to Mr. Abrego García and still support Trump, or even if you can look at it and shrug with indifference, then I no longer know who you are. And if your humanity has become so constricted that you cannot see this for the utter moral outrage it is, I'm really not sure I want to know you at all!

sop
(13,815 posts)Asking Trump supporters to feel any sympathy is pointless. This is why they voted for Trump. They love what he's doing.
magicarpet
(18,075 posts).... is what is paramount. To be able to exert such power over others has certainly got to be Devine.
A gift from God,... your being his chosen emmisary to carry out God's Intent, God's Will, and God's Law. It does not get more powerful than that in religious or political spheres.
Praise be the Lord,.. Amen.
RockCreek
(974 posts)but if the military must intervene to uphold the constitution....it is time and so be it.
magicarpet
(18,075 posts)... one side could cut the enemy,... the other side could cut you.
There are good soldiers and there are bad soldiers. If the Fascist soldiers gain control of our military,.. and they come against the good soldiers,... what may be the result ?
JMCKUSICK
(2,003 posts)You know, the guy at the hardware store, the really helpful guy at the meat counter at the grocery store, their neighbors whose kids played with yours and are still best friends etc...
That's the real tragedy of Sinclair broadcasting, Fox, Newsmax. No human interest stories that elicit empathy and compassion.
It is FRIGHTFUL that they will feel all sorts of feelings to protect an abused animal they have no connection to but a brown human? No chance!
Dave Bowman
(5,021 posts)haele
(14,140 posts)Anyone who is arrested and sent to one of the camps will be declared a depraved domestic enemy of the state who deserved to lose their citizenship. No matter their color, class, religion.
We are all Evil Socialists. Depraved Paedophile Liberal. Enemy of the Righteous - Because like most Monsters or Cult members, they believe their way is right...
A Social Compact or Democracy is weak and feckless at best. The only thing that matters to Mobsters or Cult members is Winning at all costs and being considered Special. Anything that contradicts that Special status is Blasphemous and must be eradicated.
We all have already heard them, becoming louder and clearer since the 1980's.
No Mercy - mercy is a Weakness to them.
sop
(13,815 posts)Probably a "nice" old lady who loves her grandkids, goes to church on Sundays and helps her neighbors...but she really hates "illegals." If you were to ask her why she wants millions of hardworking, tax-paying, law abiding people deported, she would likely answer, "Because, they're breaking the law...we have to follow the law...we're a nation of laws...without the rule of law, what would America become?"
She would not hide Anne Frank,
She would turn in Anne Frank.
calimary
(85,966 posts)hay rick
(8,645 posts)Approval of or indifference to the removal of Mr. Abrego Garcia can only be understood as acceptance of dictatorship.
Expel these people from your life. They are morally corrupt and psychologically toxic.
LoisB
(10,193 posts)Bumbles
(370 posts)During the last trump administration, I lost a friendship because I couldn't relate then with someone who praised trump. When I explained then to her that admiring what trump represented meant that she and I were on such different planes, that her values were so different from mine, that we could never connect on the most important and basic issues, nor did I want to. She seemed actually to be unable to understand. Now, the divide is even greater and the entrenchment of those supporting trump still holds, though there seem to be some who regret their support of him. Is it, will it be enough?
Dan
(4,613 posts)But I do believe that a number of the Independents who ate the shit sandwich are regretting the taste now.
calimary
(85,966 posts)LaMouffette
(2,488 posts)Rump has abused the right to due process at every turn.
For this convicted FELON and traitor and Russian-asset pervert SCUM bag who instigated a violent insurrection against the US government to, first of all, be allowed to even run for a second term as president, let alone get elected, and second, then turn around and strip an innocent man of his right to due process is just beyond comprehension.
Ohioboy
(3,636 posts)BonnieJW
(2,869 posts)I will also say that our outrage is warranted for ALL people being apprehended, detained and/or deported without due process
Dan
(4,613 posts)I would hope everyone that had an active role are charged and due process administered according to their level of culpability.
RockCreek
(974 posts)as has happened in the switch from republicans to democrats in the past.
That just enables future worse crimes.
wordstroken
(1,095 posts)

progressoid
(51,316 posts)That describes most every one I know that defends trump.
SunSeeker
(55,522 posts)He even was able to prove he was not a safety risk when Trump tried to deport in him 2019. Trump did not appeal. https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/apr/14/fact-checking-nayib-bukele-and-trump-officials-on/
Nobody has show any evidence that Kilmar is a member of MS-19, let alone that he is a terrorist. He is a union sheet metal worker. His US CITIZEN wife and two US CITIZEN children have a right to not be unconstitutionally denied their husband and father.
Joinfortmill
(17,870 posts)Hekate
(97,344 posts)drmeow
(5,553 posts)and post it on my FB page. May I?
calimary
(85,966 posts)"So I will say this to ANY Trump supporter in my orbit: if you can look at what has been done to Mr. Abrego García and still support Trump, or even if you can look at it and shrug with indifference, then I no longer know who you are. And if your humanity has become so constricted that you cannot see this for the utter moral outrage it is, I'm really not sure I want to know you at all!"
markpkessinger
(8,706 posts)Bluethroughu
(7,191 posts)
DaBronx
(694 posts)Your pen flowed correctly.
Good on you!
SheltieLover
(66,824 posts)
yardwork
(66,326 posts)Please PM me so that I can friend you on Facebook. I would be honored to repost this there. I haven't seen such a comprehensive well said summary of this outrage.