Would you support a denazification type program if we return to power?

[Kaleva]

Trump and prominent members of his circle would be brought before tribunals and face long prison sentences, the Republican Party would be banned, Trump supporters would be prohibited from holding positions in the civil service and running for office, putting up pro-Trump signs or posting pro-Trump messages on social media would be a criminal offence, set up camps to detain Trump supporters where they could be reeducated, pro Trump news outlets would be shut down etc., etc..

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[Walleye]

1. I'd rather see a cult intervention

[RJ-MacReady]

2. Yes definitely

But punishments need to also happen.

[surfered]

3. Maybe a de-Trumpification. All the toadies, sycophants, and true believers

[Tarzanrock]

4. Only after a series Nuremberg style trials whereby these criminals ...

... are convicted, sentenced to death, hanged and/or given lengthy prison sentences.

[The Madcap]

55. Give the convicted a choice...

Strapped to a grenade, thrown in the woodchipper, or sliced vertically by guillotine...

Sorry for the morbidity, but the anger at these fools is overwhelming.

[Scrivener7]

5. I'd support an AG who actually pursues cases against the leaders who committed crimes against the Constitution.

We don't have to give it a name other than that.

[Kaleva]

6. This question is intended for folks who think Trump is like Hitler

...and his followers are Nazis or Fascists.

[Biophilic]

7. Yes, but it would break my heart.

Doing so would break the soul of this country, but how else to break the back of the racism that is part of that soul. The legacy of our country’s soul is that racism and hatred of other must be broken. A paradox with no easy future.

[JI7]

8. It should have been done after the Civil War also

[tritsofme]

9. So to be clear, 80% of respondents favor eliminating, at a minimum, the First and Fourth Amendments?

Yikes.

These folks have become what they claim to hate.

[Hellbound Hellhound]

11. People supporting putting political opponents in concentration camps. Wild, isn't it?

Not even politicians, just "Supporters". American citizens in concentration camps because they support a political party.

[The Revolution]

118. They need to suffer?

Or we could work on making everyone's life better, instead of wasting time getting revenge. Isn't that what Liberalism and Progressivism are about?

[JustAnotherGen]

173. No

After the CW only white folks lives got better.

I'm 52. The AmeriKKKa I knew is dead. When the regime falls - I don't want the soul of AmeriKKKa back.

I want something better than the cheap two bit dime store hood's soul.

Example-
Outlawing the Confederate flag, symbols, holidays honoring those people (take it away from the states). Its nothing but pure evil and must be eradicated.

They don't get to have their heritage anymore. They've been whiny little brats about it for the last 60 years. For 100 years before that - they terrorized Black Americans.

Nope - we are outlawing the worship of enemies. I think the majority of other minorities will go along with Black Folks with that - as long as they have a seat at the table.

[Polybius]

47. Communist Underground

Crazy right?

[Bonx]

83. Become? How can you know they've changed?

[The Revolution]

116. Yikes indeed

What do we even stand for at this point?

[Seeking Serenity]

147. Blood-thirst and vengeance

Apparently

[Bettie]

138. I don't think that's true

are those who think there should be no effort made to "denazify" the country, to make sure this doesn't happen again, cool with everything that's happening now? Do they believe that this is okay and if it comes around again, it'll be fine?

Because you are going as far as the OP to the other side of it.

In other words, it is far more nuanced than the "No! Leave the oligarchs alone!" cohort seems to think.

[tritsofme]

139. What's not true? Have you not read the OP?

putting up pro-Trump signs or posting pro-Trump messages on social media would be a criminal offence, set up camps to detain Trump supporters where they could be reeducated, pro Trump news outlets would be shut down etc., etc

This is what nearly 100 people endorsed and apparently want, the elimination of the First and Fourth Amendments, and their very own police state.

[Bettie]

143. I voted yes because I believe

something needs to be done....not precisely what is in the list, but there does need to be action of some kind.

Or do you think we can just pat them on the head and say "now let's just get along kids!" and all will be well.

There is a middle ground.

So, do you find what is happening now to be acceptable? You don't feel any frustration or anger? It's cool that Trump is tearing down everything that made our society livable? It's all just fine?

Most people here are terribly frustrated and angry watching our social safety net and our government be torn to pieces, knowing that it is going to be very bad.

And we have ZERO power to stop any of it.

And I doubt any one of us believes that enough electeds will vote for anything to keep it from happening again. They'll shake hands, declare that they are all friends, and it will happen again, probably 4 years later (IF there are actual elections in '28).

So pardon me if I don't mind a little hyperbole when we're talking about the...people(?) running our government and destroying our lives.

[tritsofme]

144. The scary thing is, it doesn't appear to be hyperbole for a lot of these folks.

Someone in this thread explicitly said, “I would support a leftist dictatorship to target MAGAs”

We are 18 months out from taking back the House, that’s what I am looking forward to.

Not fantasies of sticking Trump supporters in concentration camps or dreams of how I would impose a dictatorship.

[Bettie]

145. I don't want them to believe that any of this

is Okay. That is important or we'll see saw back and forth forever...again, IF we have elections with an actual choice.

Yesterday, I got so angry because I don't understand WHY they hate gay and trans people so fucking much. It mystifies me, because I don't see how someone else's sexual preference or gender expression affects them....because it doesn't.

But, their politics, their belief that some people aren't deserving of basic human rights DOES affect others. It is affecting all of us now.

Do I sometimes imagine them all walking off a cliff and crashing on the rocks below, because their orange leader told them to? Yes. I do. If that makes me a bad person, well, fine, I am a bad person who is frustrated beyond belief at how quickly our entire government can be destroyed by bad actors....or are you arguing that they are just like us, but with a different slant on how government should work (or not exist)?

If you don't see why people are frustrated, then we are in very different places on this.

The sick, sad thing is that to anyone from the outside, I look like I could be one of them. I'm an older white woman, married 35 years to a white man with three white male children. They assume I'm one of them if they don't know me and they will talk to me and the things I have heard....well, it's bad. Really bad. The level of hate from some of them toward people who have NEVER caused them harm is terrifying.

[Seeking Serenity]

149. Well, as long as WE'RE in control of the police state, amirite?

Because progressives could never not be benevolent despots.

[Bluethroughu]

176. SS are patroling our streets, People!

And now we have to be afraid of the SS snatching us from the streets and flying us to a death camp in El Salvador!?

We are US citizens! And all the other PEOPLE, and that includes ALL PEOPLE, are protected by our CONSTITUTION!

YOU EITHER SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OR YOU ARE AGAINST IT!

AGAINST IT MAKES YOU AN ENEMY OF THE STATE!

[tritsofme]

177. So why are you against the Constitution? Voting "yes" in this poll means you support eliminating the First and Fourth

Amendments, at a minimum.

So would that qualify you as an “enemy of the state” under this reasoning?

[Bluethroughu]

178. I understand...not all trumpers just the ones who have committed crimes

Would be held accoutable, and there should be Public Service Annocements like in the 40s-50s. We need a directive of equality and unity for freedom, with consequences for those that take from others by action.

Consequences for racism, killing, and hate speech is not ok and needs parameters so everyone is free from intimidation or discrimination.

If trumpers can not handle living with others, then, revoke their citizenship and buy them a one way ticket to their dream world, like El Salvador...everything is so funny when it's not your loved ones in a death camp.

[Gore1FL]

155. How does educating U.S. Citizens about the Evils of Naziism violate the First and Fourth Amendments?

[tritsofme]

157. Yea gee, what's wrong with forcibly detaining people who have committed no crimes?

putting up pro-Trump signs or posting pro-Trump messages on social media would be a criminal offence, set up camps to detain Trump supporters where they could be reeducated, pro Trump news outlets would be shut down etc., etc

And how in the world could banning and criminalizing political speech violate the First Amendment?

Let’s not be cute here about what people are purporting to support. It is no different than Trumpism.

[Gore1FL]

167. Who says that is necessary?

Why not teach it in schools like they do in Germany?

[tritsofme]

168. Uh... the OP does.

[Gore1FL]

169. Point. I missed the details. nt

[Clouds Passing]

186. Deprogramming of the hate belief system would not be in violation of the first amendment.

The people who are immersed in the hate belief system are destroying this country; “all enemies, foreign and domestic”.

PS.. I refrained from voting.

[avebury]

171. There needs to be a Nuremburg style trial. Nt

[tritsofme]

19. Is this supposed to be some sort of satire?

[Comrade Citizen]

21. This country belongs to BIPOC

[tritsofme]

22. Yikes, disturbing. So everyone that doesn't meet your criteria is just stripped of citizenship and stateless?

Hundreds of millions of people.

What silly nonsense.

[Comrade Citizen]

24. Permanent residents with free movement across the border

No need to mansplain, everybody can live freely and cross the border freely.
BIPOC get their rightful preferences they deserve.

[tritsofme]

25. Agreed, there is definitely no need to explain such a silly fantasy any further, lol

I need another cup of coffee!

[tritsofme]

32. I can make my own, but thanks.

[Polybius]

49. Interesting that everyone in your signature is white

Do the Clinton's get to stay?

[Polybius]

69. Al Green is a tiny pic and couldn't even see it was him

Your comment makes no sense. I have no idea what race or gender you are, nor do I care. I don't bully people for who they are. I bully extremists. No need to femsplain.

[Comrade Citizen]

71. I'm used to it

I've been bullied by men such as you all my life.

[Polybius]

100. Maybe you should wonder why instead of blaming others n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

95. So is it "mansplaining" whenever someone male replies to you?

Most posters on here respond to the content of what others post and don't pay much, or any, attention to their personal features.

It seems to me that you don't want anyone disagreeing with you on the forum if they're not of the correct gender.

Just curious.

[iemanja]

114. Well, some of them could be women, for all she knows

Gender isn't immediately apparent from looking at someone's name or avatar.

[Crunchy Frog]

117. Many people put it in their profiles.

Including the two posters she accused of "mansplaining".

I have no idea what gender you are, so don't know if you're "mansplaining" to me or not.

[BlueTsunami2018]

12. Nah, that's a bit too much for me.

I’m all for charging and imprisoning politicians and people in the administration up to and including Pissy if they’re found to have committed crimes but I’m not going to take away people’s right to be stupid or even hateful in public. Condemn the speech and point it out for what it is but I’m not interested in throwing people in jail for Facebook posts that I don’t like.

This is too much like what we don’t like about them.

Fuck this. Free speech is free speech.

[uponit7771]

134. Hasn't MAGA movement gone past free speech into de-facto policy? Thx in advance

[BlueTsunami2018]

151. Yes but that doesn't mean WE have to do that.

I’m all for bending the rules and being as snakey and cutthroat as they are to achieve our goals. But I’m not interested in becoming a fascist like they are. What is being described in the OP is some fascist shit.

[uponit7771]

161. How do we protect ourselves from people who, through policy, don't want...

.. democracy?

If I was prez I wouldn't give them ANY quarter especially MAGA who implement voter suppression.

I think this midterm elections will be at minimum muted because of the voter denial implemented by MAGA.

I remember reading about the grave the Spanish have fascist after their attempted coup in the 30s and they had 4 generations of dictator rule.

Same could happen here easily

[BlueTsunami2018]

165. It could. It may have already happened.

But I’m pretty sure it’s not even possible to ban MAGA speech under the first amendment.

What we chiefly need is for this asshole to drop dead. I don’t think anyone else can hold the cult together and we can end this madness.

[sarisataka]

13. Is that a DEnazification program?

Food for thought...

[ForgedCrank]

14. Hopefully this

is a gag?
Maybe the Germans have some Zyklon-B stashed that they would sell us to assist with this project.

[demmiblue]

15. Good lawd!

[LS0999]

16. Restart reconstruction

It ended far too soon. Go after Trump and his crime ring but also go after some of these extremist regimes that run red states.

[William769]

17. Hell no!

[JCMach1]

18. Absolutely you can participate in democratic governance

Unless you actually believe in democracy.

[tritsofme]

20. Right right...democracy, but only if you agree with me!

Sounds like people want their own dictator, and that many passionately hate democracy and the Constitution at least as much as Trump.

[tritsofme]

31. Why not embrace a dictatorship as long you like the dictator? That is really your question?

[tritsofme]

35. Well that is extremely disturbing. At least you are honest about it.

I can’t help but wonder if the “lib” in your handle is intended to be short for “liberal”? Because what you’ve described is the antithesis of that term.

[kelly1mm]

36. It is the DU 'Team Blue Benevolent Dictator' fantasy and it is disturbing. nt

[Pacifist Patriot]

28. I think there is a Constutionally compliant middle ground to be had here.

A legal system that was independent of politics and applied to everyone equally would get the job done. That and a Congress with a spine.

[kelly1mm]

34. FFS! Not this sh!t again! A sizable minority (at least I HOPE it is a minority) here on DU have 'Team Blue

Benevolent Dictator' fantasy syndrome ......
It gets old ....

[Kaleva]

38. It might be a majority of this poll is accurate

[kelly1mm]

39. I HOPE it is selection bias. Hell, I am only here on this thread to watch the car wreck ..... nt

[Sympthsical]

66. Team Rubberneck reporting for duty n/t

[Fla_Democrat]

92. It's a hoot, ain't it?

[harumph]

41. If team blue doesn't kill or disappear people, I'm in.

Yes, it's that serious.

[WarGamer]

44. Many are quite supportive of a strong man dictator in charge... as long as he/she favors your side

[Kaleva]

67. Yes

[RockRaven]

40. I'd support, nay, insist upon, aggressive enforcement of existing laws including

in sentencing. Every single instance of law-violating by any member of the administration, no matter how big or small, political appointee or civil servant, in any department or agency.

And additionally, many laws and the Constitution need serious revision to prevent a repeat.

But I do not support a predetermined outcome, or starting with the punishment and backfilling the rationale. That is what they do, and we should have better standards of behavior than that.

[bluestarone]

42. No, not American citizens, BUT

Our court system has got to have some basic rules. Our SC is BOUGHT and PAID FOR. Somehow we have got to change SC judges that get bought and vote accordingly. I think everyone knows what i'm talking about. Also a president involved in the DOJ has to FULL STOP. Some of our Appeals courts need to be selected in a different fashion. I don't have the answers, but i do have the questions. Never, EVER go back to what we have TODAY!!

[WarGamer]

43. So defeat Trumpism by becoming literal fascists?

[onenote]

48. I wish I could say I'm surprised at the responses, but I'm not.

Folks seem to think that ripping up the Constitution is the best way to save it.
If folks think we can "return to power" -- i.e., regain control of the white house and congress -- based on a platform of banning the republican party and its supporters etc., they are seriously delusional.

[Polybius]

52. It's crazy

62% have gone off the deep end.

[Polybius]

45. "the Republican Party would be banned"

1) It wouldn't hold up in Court
2) They would just call themselves something else, such as the Conservative Party

[MichMan]

112. Then the court gets thrown into the re education camps too

[Polybius]

46. "Trump supporters"

Define Trump supporters. Anyone that voted for him?

[Kaleva]

50. Given that we don't know who voted for who, ...

one would have to go by public statements, posts on social media, stickers on vehicles, signs in the yard and such.

I imagine the FBI could hack websites like Free Republic and find the real identity of that site's members.

[Polybius]

51. I guess you won't complain if Trump does that to us now

Since you support doing this to them.

[Kaleva]

53. Can you quote where I said I support doing such a thing?

You may have noticed that I didn't vote in this poll. Nor have I made any statements either in favor of or against.

[Polybius]

68. Gotcha

I thought you implied it with your reply. Now I see that you were just saying how it could be done.

Given that we don't know who voted for who, ...

one would have to go by public statements, posts on social media, stickers on vehicles, signs in the yard and such.

I imagine the FBI could hack websites like Free Republic and find the real identity of that site's members.

[Kaleva]

73. No problem!

With so much talk about the Republicans being Nazis and Trump being like Hitler, I was curious to see how many here would support actions that are similar to the ones the Allies took against Hitler and members of the Nazi Party

[Bettie]

54. For those who think we should not do anything

to stop the people currently in charge of our government from doing it again (if we ever have another election).

So, it's cool for our government to see saw wildly every four years? You're cool with the rule of law being dependent on what party is in office? That human rights are also dependent on who is in charge?

Something needs to be done.

Do I think camps are the right option? Probably not, but concrete steps should be taken to keep this from happening. At the very least, our system needs to be changed so that the government can't be destroyed by a couple of bad actors.

ETA: We all know elected Democrats won't do a damned thing to stop this from happening again. They'll sigh and go back to "our friends across the aisle" and it WILL happen again, if we can come back from it this time.

[ultralite001]

56. Can't we simply...

"volunteer" all of them to go to Mars???

Send them to space boot camp???

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[Omnipresent]

57. Magas might be too far gone.

I believe it was armaments minister Albert Spear, who wrote in his book, that during the war, he was baffled by questions from ordinary citizens.
He would be asked, “Why is the fuhrer letting the allies invade so far into the Reich, is he doing this to spring a trap on them?”.
Magas think trump has everything under control.

[maveric]

58. A mass exorcism.

Is what they need.

[Demsrule86]

59. Trump and others are is commiting crimes against humanity. He should face a Nuremberg

type trial. And those who participate in his crime should be held to account...following order didn't cut it in the 1940's and it shouldn't now.

[Sympthsical]

61. That is a disturbing amount of support for "re-education"

And this is what happens when history education is confused with scanning some cliff notes about the 1930s from social media.

Think this is enough internet for me today, lol. It's too depressing.

[Kaleva]

63. Several hundred thousand Germans were detained in camps after the war

From 1945 to 1950. Many were civilians.

[Sympthsical]

64. No, I know

Internment camps are generally not considered a good idea in this day and age, so seeing that kind of support for them is a thing. Consider also that there is no constitutional mechanism for this kind of policy. People would have to go to extrajudicial authoritarian means to effect what they are supporting here.

The idea that people would take their "Everything's practically the Holocaust!" social media fantasy cosplay to these extremes is disturbing.

The Internet needs to be unplugged for about a month.

[Bettie]

108. But we can't just say "oh well, it's done now"...

because it will never be done until there are consequences for the probable destruction of alliances, foreign policy, our social safety net, our future, our past....everything that made this country a decent place to live...they are destroying it all.

There has to be a consequence for that and a serious one. Not a slap on the wrist.

[Sympthsical]

122. Who recommended any such thing?

Certainly not I.

There are many leagues to tread between indifference and “What if we had our own fascism?”

Failure to recognize reasoned degrees between the two is not a characteristic of level thinking.

[Bettie]

137. Last time it happened (not to the degree it is now) we

let it all go..."civility" and "getting back to normal" and all that. Yes, there were some Jan 6th prosecutions, but nothing to address any of the rest of it. They put a band aid on a gaping, bleeding wound in the name of "civility".

It paved the way for what is happening now. They learned an important lesson: there are no consequences for their actions, yes, a few rubes might go to prison for a while, but that's a price the leaders are willing to pay.

So, some people are ready to go scorched earth at this point, because we can't just let it go as we did last time around.

Remember "Just wait, Merrick Garland has this! Any day now!" ....how did that work out? From current evidence, not well at all.

There will have to be serious consequences unless we want this to happen again and again, but this is the US. Rich people don't face consequences unless they screw over other rich people.

[Karadeniz]

62. We need a rewriting of american govt and both world and us history

curricula. Students are just not learning from the past as they should. I could write a curriculum in a day for a Know Your Mind class not based on religious tenets but available data.

[stillcool]

65. I don't think the erosion of our federal government

will be functional as it is. There needs to be a re-work of every government agency and every piece of legislation. You can't fix something broken with something broken. Revenge against the current offenders fixes nothing.

[Torchlight]

70. One of the most fascinating interviews I've ever read

appears in The Good War by Studs Terkel. In it, a German POW held in a detention camp in Georgia described his astonishment at the number of books available to him—works that had been censored, blacklisted, or outright banned by his own government. Authors like Helen Keller, Thomas Mann, and H.G. Wells were among those whose writings he devoured.

He said those books gave him a better education and a broader worldview than he ever imagined possible. They were instrumental in prompting him to reject the beliefs he once held.

I believe that wide access to ideas—and a cultural encouragement of perspectives beyond the self—could go a long way toward healing much of today’s ugliness and divisiveness, and could be its own best outreach.

[Kaleva]

99. Yes

[Patton French]

72. What would be the mechanism for implementing any of those things?

[Llewlladdwr]

76. Extreme violence is what I would assume.

The idea that roughly half the country would voluntarily submit to internment and "re-education" seems...optimistic.

[Kaleva]

81. It'd be far less then half the country.

[Polybius]

103. It would be more than half the country

Because if they ever implemented it, us sane Democrats would not go along with it.

[Melon]

132. This.....plus they would take up arms....the same as I if I thought this was the plan for me.

It’s a crazy idea to even put out there. And then it would be one party….no thanks. Power corrupts all.

[Lurker Deluxe]

170. With no doubt

My parents, on their late 80’s, and I do not agree politically. It is what it is… I do not have a fully punched “rations card”, we have lived different lives. I make progress with them, ever so slowly.

Someone comes to “reeducate” them and the results will not be pretty.

Period.

I will actively take up arms, within the hour.

Fuck that.

[jmowreader]

74. I've been calling it de-Trumpification...

…but yes, that must happen.

[BannonsLiver]

75. I support the prosecution of people who have broken the law.

That seems the bare minimum. The folks advocating for doing nothing have lost their minds.

[Polybius]

104. I can agree with that

I just have a problem with the few people here calling for the arrest of Trump supporters.

[Mystery sage]

77. Would it be possible to get rid of the radio stations and programs.

Supporting Trump and getting rid of the propaganda and misinformation, perhaps after a few years, the trumpers might turn into decent people( naive thought I know)

[Dreamer Tatum]

78. Know who else refers to his military action as "denazification?"

Your new buddy Putin.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-tells-russians-war-ukraine-will-go-unless-kyiv-does-deal-2023-12-14/

[Kaleva]

80. Trump's new buddy?

[Dreamer Tatum]

82. You're the one throwing Putin's term around. nt

[Kaleva]

84. The term is far older then Putin

[Dreamer Tatum]

85. Yet you'd do what he says he's doing. How very interesting. nt

[Kaleva]

86. Can you quote where I said I'm in favor of doing such a thing?

I bet you can't!

[Dreamer Tatum]

87. Nice deflection. Very Soviet. nt

[Kaleva]

88. Can you at least provide la link to comments you made to those who said they are in favor?

Since you are unable to find a post where I said I was in favour.

Look at the usernames of those who voted. Do you see my name there?

[TheProle]

94. Yes, yes you're swimming in plausible deniability....

Just asking an innocent question, right?

The framing of the OP, whether you would endorse the actions expressed there or not, is deliberately provocative and extreme.

If you were really as agnostic as you're pretending to be on the subject, you could have simply asked the question in the thread title, without the laundry list of particulars ripped right from the fever dream of a fanatic.

[Kaleva]

97. I took those examples right from history

Do you deny such things happened during the denazification period?

[Efilroft Sul]

79. I would if it includes Nuremberg-style trials and accountability. Garland types need not apply for the prosecution.

[Crunchy Frog]

89. If handled poorly, something like that would backfire spectacularly.

It sounds authoritarian on its face, unless the people involved had committed genuine crimes against humanity, and I don't believe that we're there yet.

[Blasphemer]

90. We will need a Truth & Reconciliation process once this mess is over. nt

[AntiFascist]

91. MAGAts would then call us the fascists. It's always projection with them...

Trump should definitely be brought to justice before he dies. Banning the Republican Party will never happen. I think MAGA should be publicly humiliated wherever possible, and laws put it in place so that Trump-like executive orders can never have the same effect again.

[Fla_Democrat]

93. Currently 63%....

Nah, this is fine....



I wonder what music they will play in the camps, surely not Ludwig van....

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

96. If laws were broken

Then sure, go and try to prosecute them.

Banning a political party, legally punishing otherwise law abiding supporters, banning speech and messages that are seen as pro trump, shutting down right leaning media, and interning supporters for "reeducation"? Yea fuck all that.

If you(in general, not OP of course) think any of that is a swell idea, then take a good long look in the mirror, because for all of your supposed hatred of nazis, you sure do think just like them.

[Kaleva]

98. It's an interesting dilemma

If one believe Trump and his supporters are Nazis, then should we treat them like the Allies treated the Nazis in post WWII Germany ?

[Traildogbob]

101. Yes

And have it lead by Brad Pitt’s character from Inglorious Basterds. With the Bear Jew and his baseball bat.
Both HATE Natzeeeeees.

[ZDU]

102. Lock them up and RELOCK them up. ALL of them. NO pardons. Period.

[Polybius]

105. What jail holds nearly 80 million people?

[ZDU]

107. Build arenas, import lions

... next
p.s. i am all out of FUCKS and fuckery; i have zero fucks to give

[Thunderbeast]

106. I would rather focus on fixing the broken election process.

Constitutional ammendment for direct election of the President.

Independent re-districting within states for congressional and state legislative races. District maps should follow the principle that outcomes of elections roughly map to the sentiments expressed in statewide contests. If a party wins 60% in a governors race, then districts should be drawn with a probable outcome that reflects a similar split of representative seats.

Let's fix democracy instead of building guillotines in the town square!

[H2O Man]

109. No.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

111. Doesn't seem prudent

[iemanja]

113. I don't like your authoritarian state anymore than theirs

This thread shows Americans are not only susceptible to authoritarianism; they want it. It's shameful. How can you criticize MAGAs for wanting the same thing that you do?

[Kaleva]

120. Where did I say I want this?

[iemanja]

121. How could you even dream up such a scenario?

You posted a poll, which means you are entertaining the thought. I said "your" because you are the one who described it.

[Kaleva]

123. Do you agree that many here believe Trump and his supporters are Nazis?

Do you agree that the Allies conducted a denazification program in post WWII Germany?

Do you agree that what I described in the OP happened in post war Germany?

[iemanja]

125. No, Trump has not killed 6 million people

And your response confirms my first post. I do wish for this country to become an authoritarian shit hole where political association and free speech are banned. Whether it's Trump or the Democrats ending civil liberties and democracy, it's the same thing. There is zero space between those two scenarios.

There can and should be prosecution of crimes that already exist on the books, but abolishing electoral politics and the rest of the scenario you paint is exactly what the Project 25 and Magas hope for. I will never be one of them. Nor will I approve of the same thing on the other side. We are becoming authoritarian in this country, not because of Trump but because the population approves of it. Pretending ending democracy is okay as long as the Democrats are in charge is betrayal of everything that is decent about this country.

[Kaleva]

126. How does my response confirm your first post?

As I said earlier in this thread, the question in the OP is directed to those here who believe that Trump is like Hitler and he and his supporters are Nazis. Since I don't believe that myself, I didn't vote.

"6. This question is intended for folks who think Trump is like Hitler
Yesterday
...and his followers are Nazis or Fascists"

[Paladin]

140. Bye-bye. (nt)

[EllieBC]

115. Authoritarians of any political stripe are

complete trash.

So I’d fight your camps and attempts to force anyone into them. I won’t bend a knee to any authoritarian government, right or left.

[Duncan Grant]

119. Prosecution of crimes, yes! State-sanctioned deprogramming, no way.

The real issue we need to contend with is Citizens United ($$$) and Rupert Murdoch (right-wing entertainment).

But most importantly, we need to handle the enormous white supremacy problem in this country.

Just my .02 cents. Leave me out of the left-wing extremists score settling.

[MichMan]

131. Depends on what the criminal statutes define as being a crime per congress

[Meowmee]

124. I would support some of this. and would like to see him and others charged with the covid murders too

Last edited Fri Apr 18, 2025, 01:28 AM - Edit history (1)

You may need more than this- a cult intervention also with some people as someone else suggested. * I only support trials etc. for the leaders... and banishing R may not be a bad idea as they are complicit for sure.

Will it happen? Not a chance in hell imo.

Edited to add, I replied hastily and did not read the part about camps etc. That I would NOT support as it is just more fascism imo. * Changed my vote to no due to those parts.

[LonePirate]

127. He is not immortal. He will either pass away or his party will implode when he's not on the ballot in 2028.

The power vacuum in his absence will be like nothing we have seen since at least the 60s.

[Kaleva]

128. A post Trump world will be interesting

I don't see anyone being able to take his place in the Maga world

[LPBBEAR]

129. Wow...

I see a lot of you still believe the magic Mueller fairy is going to come restore sanity to a bunch of crazed lunatics, Nazi's, Bigots, Putin Traitors. etc.

Trump and his followers are a malignant cancer that was allowed to metastasize after the 2020 election. He is back in office exactly because our leaders, judges, law enforcement, elected representatives didn't take the hard actions that were needed to excise this cancer from our nation.

If we somehow manage to regain power and once again our leaders don't hold these criminals to account these criminals WILL return and as bad as they are now, they'll be worse a third time around.

I'm not interested in reeducating his supporters. They can go fuck themselves. On the other hand the monsters responsible for this crap, they need to be locked up for life with some of them facing the death penalty for treason, especially Trump.

It took the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812 to free our country from the tyranny of King George III. It's going to take more than strongly worded speeches and my "friends" across the aisles" bullshit to free us from this King and his tyranny.

Wake up, the good fairy isn't going to stop this. Actual action is what it took to create this country and actual action is once again needed to save it.

[Jack Valentino]

130. I would not support "tribunals", but the normal civil court process, yes---

for anything that was actually a "crime".


Things they have said on social media, are for the most part, not "crimes"....

Some things they have DONE as public officials, some of those ARE crimes,
and they should be held to account for those.


'Holding to account' people for things they BELIEVE, and we are in "1984" territory---

Having specific "thoughts" is not a crime, or I would be in prison already....

Only "actions" can be crimes.

[Dan]

133. Part 1. Eliminating Fox News

[tritsofme]

141. Yea! Fuck the First Amendment? Right?

[JustAnotherGen]

135. America

Cannot go back to business as usual.

We had 100 years of terror under the Jim Crow Regime.

To be clear: I'm not nice.

[LPBBEAR]

136. Exactly

This video says it all and says it well......

[Mz Pip]

142. What you ate advocating

is exactly what MAGA advocates and is working hard to carry out. Just substitute “woke liberals “ and Democrats for your pro Trump rhetoric. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Just different criminals.

[Kaleva]

148. What am I advocating?

Can you quote where I said I'm in favor of this? I bet you can't.

[gulliver]

146. This is actually "Nazification" of course

I assume you mean it as a joke and thought experiment as its proposals are un-American and against everything the Democratic Party stands for. It's hooking a surprising number of sillies. I think they just see it as a way of venting.

[Kaleva]

154. Considering the number of members who believe Trump is like Hitler

and Republicans in general are Nazis, I think it a legitimate question to ask of them.

[gulliver]

156. It's a lazy level of analogy.

And it does produce the sort of robotic, loathsome drilldown you play out in your scenario. In a tiny few. Who have no say in the Democratic Party.

It's useful and legitimate to bring it up. It's a self-test for a possibly addictive habit of denying oneself the joy of deep thinking.

[Kaleva]

158. So that's what you think of the people who voted "Yes"?

[Lokee11]

163. Venting - I Agree

At this point and into the future I am 1 Bajillion% for the Orange Turd, every ICE gestapo member, Cheeto-Lini's fucked up cabinet, and every person he put into power / every person that complies with his/Putin's illegal "orders" - to be held accountable and to be PUNISHED. And though I would not "support" cruel and unusual punishment for these people, I would be like, "Aw man, dang, wait, shucks, c'mon, shoot, we can't - we shouldn't do that - too bad I can't stop this cruel and unusual punishment...Aw shucks.." if that violation were to occur.

I initially chose the "Yes" choice because if there was an anti-trump bomb that fell on the world and eliminated from the face of the planet Trump and each and every Trumper (including those that may be in my own family) I would not shed a fucking tear - that is how angry I am, that is how silly this shit has made me, and how much I really do not give a fuck what would happen to any of those deplorables right now.

But No - in this country you have the privilege of being a F'n Jack-A$$ if you so choose to be.
So I would not support throwing any one who has the Trumps flags and stickers on their Pick-em-up truck or up in their unkept yards being thrown into "re-education" camps and so on and so forth as suggested, because you are right it is un-American and against everything the Democratic Party stands for. Have to say though I do yearn for the days back when it seemed a majority of these assholes just kept the fuck quiet and stayed underneath their rocks, for they knew if they opened their mouths and said some of the stupid shit they were thinking, they would be told, "SHUT THE FUCK UP - DONNY!"

If we survive and come out of this bullshit, those in charge need to be held accountable and changes do need to be made. I mean overall I basically see it as enforcement changes, it is not that these things this Orange POS does are allowed - it is that the illegal shit this Orange POS does continues because no one is enforcing the laws that prevent him from doing it! Almost all this shit is not a policy issue but an enforcement issue to me - we have rights and laws that pretty much explicitly state the things that are going on are not allowed, but who is there to ENFORCE the rights and laws? The one thing I do know that abso-fuckin-lutely needs to occur, if we make it out of this, and I mean 1st and foremost, is that Presidential and basically any sort of blanket immunity for anyone - MUST GO BYE BYE - the statement "No One Is ABOVE The LAW" MUST BECOME A TRUE STATEMENT!

Ok sorry - I have already ranted enough and wrote all that above just to respond by saying -

I agree with you - at least in my case - This situation has made me silly and initially made me choose Yes as a venting mechanism, I have went back and changed it to None of the Available Choices / choose not to answer or whatever it is.

Sorry so long and for the RANT - just so sick of this SHIT!

✊FDT!

[Seeking Serenity]

150. You forgot the suspension of the prohibition against ex post facto laws

That way, you could put a whole lot more humans against the wall.

Maybe order the creation of soviets in every city and every hamlet to root out every man, woman, and child who may have ever once had a positive thought about Donald Trump.

But somehow I think your blood-lust still wouldn't be satisfied.

People entertaining some really bad fanfic ITT

[Kaleva]

153. Is that what you are saying to the DUers who voted in favor?

At this time, 104 voted "Yes".

[tritsofme]

166. What a strange question?

Whether these folks really support fascism, as they answered affirmatively in the poll, is a question for them to clarify, not any of us.

[Seeking Serenity]

174. I guess so. Based on your fantasy-world OP scenario,

It would appear that some DUers favour removing all constraints as long as they are the only ones unrestained.

[Raven123]

152. Pretty sure this plan isn't consistent with the Constitution

[louis-t]

159. The worst offenders or those that refuse reeducation can be sent to El Salvador.

They seem to enjoy throwing other people in the prison.

[Initech]

160. We need to deFoxify the United States.

That wretched network has done to this country what Osama Bin Laden only said he would do.

[UpInArms]

162. Denazification In Germany after WWII

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification

Denazification (German: Entnazifizierung) was an Allied initiative to rid German and Austrian society, culture, press, economy, judiciary, and politics of the Nazi ideology following the Second World War.[1] It was carried out by removing those who had been Nazi Party or SS members from positions of power and influence, by disbanding or rendering impotent the organizations associated with Nazism, and by trying prominent Nazis for war crimes in the Nuremberg trials of 1946. The program of denazification was launched after the end of the war and was solidified by the Potsdam Agreement in August 1945. The term denazification was first coined in 1943 by the Pentagon,[not verified in body] intended to be applied in a narrow sense with reference to the post-war German legal system. However, it later took on a broader meaning.[2]: 253-254 

In late 1945 and early 1946, the emergence of the Cold War and the economic importance of Germany caused the United States in particular to lose interest in the program, somewhat mirroring the Reverse Course in American-occupied Japan. The British occupation handed over denazification panels to the Germans in January 1946, while the American occupation did likewise in March 1946. The French occupation ran the mildest denazification effort. Denazification was carried out in an increasingly lenient and lukewarm way until being officially abolished in 1951. Additionally, the program was hugely unpopular in West Germany, where many Nazis maintained positions of power. Denazification was opposed by the new West German government of Konrad Adenauer,[3] who declared that ending the process was necessary for West German rearmament.[citation needed]

On the other hand, in the Soviet occupation zone and later East Germany, denazification was considered as a critical element of the transformation into a socialist society, and the country was stricter in opposing Nazism than its counterpart.

Not all former Nazis faced judgment. Performing special tasks for the occupation governments could protect Nazi members from prosecution, enabling them to continue working and in some cases reach prominence, as did special connections with the occupiers.[2]: 256  One of the most notable cases involved Wernher von Braun, who was among other German scientists recruited by the United States through Operation Paperclip and later occupied key positions in the American space program.[4]

[Oneironaut]

164. Yes, if it's determined any broke laws.

[OnionPatch]

172. No. No way.

That sounds like some totalitarian bullshit.

The best thing to do is make sure people are getting the education to learn to think critically. But more than anything, we need media to counter their lying propaganda.

[WarGamer]

175. This thread is incredibly informative.

Disturbing, too...

[Kaleva]

180. I'm not surprised in one way but am surprised in another

Not surprised considering how it seems that many here believe Trump is like Hitler and his supporters are Nazis but surprised that this poll shows that there is a segment that are willing to basically shit can the Constitution if that results in the suppression of Trump, Maga, Fox News and such.

[Skittles]

182. it's a revenge sentiment

the same kind that lets so-called progressives excuse the actions of that gun humping psycho killer Mangione......somehow due process gets thrown out the window if the victim was "bad" enough

[Skittles]

181. I voted no

but it is very telling just how fucking DESPISED those traitors really are

[MurrayDelph]

179. As long as we're not trading

one form of totalitarianism for another.

[B.See]

183. What??

No "hell yeah?"

Germany learned what to do about fascism and hate speech... the HARD way.

[Kaleva]

185. They enacted a number of laws after the war in an effort to subdue nazism

Laws that in the US would be found to be unconstitutional.

[B.See]

187. exactly.

[jcmaine72]

184. Well, one surefire way to ensure we keep losing elections and maintain embarrassing poll numbers is...

...to keep bandying about the word "Nazi" at every single conceivable turn and continue to apply it with such a broad brush to everyone and everything we find distasteful. That term used to have a very specific meaning, referring to a very specific genocidal regime in history. Now it's tossed about casually like bags of peanuts at a baseball game. It was once used hyperbolically, although hardly ever by the generation of Americans that actually fought the Nazis and witnessed their atrocities firsthand.Today, it's applied so generously and to such a wide spectrum of Americans it genuinely boggles the mind that there aren't nightly Hitler Youth rallies by torchlight in every small town and suburban park and green space.

If Trump is a doctrinaire National Socialist/Nazi (Schmuck....yes. Habitual liar and degenerate...yes. Cruel and stupid...yes. Nazi....no!) than by extension, over 50% of America's population are Nazis as well, including (sadly) increasing numbers of non-white Americans. If that, along with banning any/all political opposition and forcible "re-education" (At gunpoint, I presume) is how some people think the Democratic Party should move forward in order to win elections then maybe they should register as Republicans themselves, since they are the very thing they're accusing them of being.

[Cirsium]

188. No

No one is "bandying about the word 'Nazi' at every single conceivable turn" and no one is applying it "with such a broad brush to everyone and everything we find distasteful." It is not being "tossed about casually like bags of peanuts at a baseball game."

Why would anyone mock those who are seeing parallels between this regime and murderous regimes from the past? You are mocking people with those remarks.

Don't call the phenomenon "NazI" if you don't want to. Call it "MAGA." The name you use for it doesn't change what it is. MAGA has very strong parallels to the murderous authoritarian movements in Europe during the 30s and 40s. This is serious business. We are in great danger. You are trivializing it.

By the way, Hitler and his cronies were "habitual liars and degenerates," and "cruel and stupid." You suggest that Trump is a "habitual liar and degenerate," and "cruel and stupid" as if that explains him and means that he is not a murderous dictatorial racist leader of a dangerous political movement.

"Murderous dictatorial racist leader of a dangerous political movement" also describes Adolph Hitler.

"That term used to have a very specific meaning, referring to a very specific genocidal regime in history."

That is just plain wrong. They were Nazis before they came to power, let alone before they were "a very specific genocidal regime in history."

The time to stop fascism is before it becomes "a very specific genocidal regime in history."

We need to compare MAGA to National Socialism in 1932, not National Socialism in 1945, obviously, if we are going to be anything more than disengaged aloof and dispassionate observers. In 1932 people were dismissing and ridiculing those who were sounding the alarm about the Nazis with the same arguments you are using here.

Were over 50% of Germany's population Nazis?

Your "both sides" arguments should all on deaf ears here. No, holding MAGA terrorists legally accountable is not the same as MAGAs terrorizing the rest of us. That should be obvious to everyone here.

"Forcible re-education at gunpoint" - that is called "prison" and "rehabilitation." It does not preclude due process. You are using scare words to mislead people and misrepresent the point of views you don't like. The entire society is held together at gunpoint yet you want to lecture Democrats who want MAGA held accountable and neutered to protect society.

I don't think anyone is saying that MAGA shouild be held accountable, or that the threat should be neutralized so that the "Democratic Party can move forward and win elections."

Calling for eliminating the MAGA threat means "maybe they should register as Republicans themselves, since they are the very thing they're accusing them of being?" Did the postwar Germans become Nazis when they banned the Nazi party and held the Nazis accountable? Of course not.

"It was once used hyperbolically, although hardly ever by the generation of Americans that actually fought the Nazis and witnessed their atrocities firsthand."

That is not at all true. Over the years I heard many WWII veterans, as well as survivors and refugees from Nazi Germany, compare right wing extremism in the US to the Nazis.

[jcmaine72]

189. "Why would anyone mock those who are seeing parallels between this regime and murderous regimes from the past?"

Easy, because when someone advocates banning opposing political parties and mandatory (forced) "re-education" of those they disagree with, all while accusing those same people of being "Nazis" without even a shred of irony or hint of satire, they are not to be taken seriously under any circumstances. In fact, their opinions can be summarily dismissed out of hand without a nanosecond's worth of consideration.

I'm a Democrat who actually believes in (gasp) the principles of democracy (The foundational principles of our party, BTW), and not the brand of virulent authoritarianism and rank hypocrisy grotesquely masquerading as "progressivism" championed by the OP and apparently defended by you.

[Cirsium]

191. Nice try

You are simply repeating the things that I already addressed in my post.

Seriously, did you even read it?

[flvegan]

190. Well, this poll and ensuing thread/responses went about as expected. n/t