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Dennis Donovan

(30,498 posts)
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:15 AM Apr 17

Mediaite: James Carville Calls David Hogg a 'Contemptible Little Twerp' and Suggests DNC Sue Him

Mediaite - James Carville Calls David Hogg a ‘Contemptible Little Twerp’ and Suggests DNC Sue Him

Zachary Leeman
Apr 17th, 2025, 9:46 am

James Carville slammed Democratic National Committee Vice Chair David Hogg as a “contemptible little twerp” and suggested the DNC sue him on Wednesday.

Carville joined NewsNation’s Chris Cuomo on Wednesday following his call for progressive Democrats more concerned with “pronoun politics” to leave to Democratic Party. In Carville’s interview, he slammed Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), and Hogg, arguing that all three are part of the problem.

All three, the Democratic strategist said, are more interested in targeting Democrats than Republicans.

Carville took particular issue with Hogg and his newly-announced venture to use millions to challenge incumbent Democrats.

/snip


Carville's time has come and gone, but no one seems to have informed him.
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Mediaite: James Carville Calls David Hogg a 'Contemptible Little Twerp' and Suggests DNC Sue Him (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Apr 17 OP
This isn't 1990, Mr. Carville. Ocelot II Apr 17 #1
He's got a point on Hogg though. What's the use of primarying a sitting Dem... brush Apr 17 #31
Hogg may or may not be wrong, but Carville calling him "a contemptible little twerp" Ocelot II Apr 17 #35
He has a right to his opinion. redstatebluegirl Apr 17 #58
"He" meaning Hogg, or Carville? Obviously both have the right to their opinions. Ocelot II Apr 17 #60
Both of them. redstatebluegirl Apr 17 #65
He is right about Hogg dsc Apr 17 #2
Lol. Ok. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 17 #16
He said the same in a conversation with Al Hunt...... Butterflylady Apr 17 #32
Why didn't Hogg talk about doing this when he ran for DNC Vice Chair? Jose Garcia Apr 17 #59
It's obvious. He never would have been elected mcar Apr 17 #62
Because it would have hurt his chances to be elected as a vice chair probably Meowmee Apr 18 #108
Old Man Yells at Cloud! Chasstev365 Apr 17 #3
Old man yelling "Get the fuck off my lawn!! " Autumn Apr 17 #4
David Hogg is the foundation of our future.... FarPoint Apr 17 #5
I absolutely support David Hogg whathehell Apr 17 #21
No Watchfoxheadexplodes Apr 17 #76
LOL... dead balls on!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 17 #83
Let me see ILikePie92 Apr 17 #6
See this.. whathehell Apr 17 #36
A break ILikePie92 Apr 17 #38
Geez ILikePie92 Apr 17 #39
And ILikePie92 Apr 17 #40
Nah.. whathehell Apr 17 #45
How about ILikePie92 Apr 17 #57
Lol...Nice try whathehell Apr 17 #90
Exactly ILikePie92 Apr 17 #104
Riiiiiiiiight.. whathehell Apr 17 #105
Glad you agree ILikePie92 Apr 18 #125
Exactly ILikePie92 Apr 17 #99
Plus ILikePie92 Apr 17 #100
+ 1 red dog 1 Apr 18 #118
No, Carville said Trump's ratings would collapse or start toin... uponit7771 Apr 17 #93
Nope, the tape don't lie ILikePie92 Apr 17 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author red dog 1 Apr 18 #117
LOL dweller Apr 17 #7
I no longer have much respect for Cuomo or Carville. OTOH, while Hogg's efforts are ill-timed, they are justified.. CousinIT Apr 17 #8
+1 InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 17 #80
8 replies so far GusBob Apr 17 #9
It is ironic that ageism never gets old... sarisataka Apr 17 #24
The ageist slurs are flying fast and furious here whathehell Apr 17 #25
His problem isn't his age, it's that he's out of touch Ocelot II Apr 17 #37
He was once relevant... been a while though. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 17 #85
I agree. whathehell Apr 17 #96
It's NOT his age. ILikePie92 Apr 18 #124
Ironically, so was Carville BeyondGeography Apr 17 #30
And then these people didn't vote for Kamala either. W_HAMILTON Apr 17 #86
Yesterday Carville was saying SocialDemocrat61 Apr 17 #10
Exactly. intheflow Apr 17 #46
Carville has been pushing the party right for 35 years dflprincess Apr 17 #78
Maybe old men stuck in the late 1990's should move aside for people more in tune with the 2020's. Fla Dem Apr 17 #88
Shouldn't it be "MEN" or "PEOPLE" stuck in the late 1990's should move aside for people more in tune with the 2020's? red dog 1 Apr 18 #119
Hogg vs Carville Intractable Apr 17 #11
At least David Hogg is trying to do something. Don't care for Carville or Cuomo TommieMommy Apr 17 #12
Says the husband of Mary matalin UpInArms Apr 17 #13
Yes, and she has not, to my knowledge, spoken out like the former Republicans at the Lincoln Project tanyev Apr 17 #52
We should be challenging incumbent Republicans. Joinfortmill Apr 17 #14
Yes we should Rebl2 Apr 17 #34
"Pronoun politics" are dead gulliver Apr 17 #15
Right...young people have no Bettie Apr 17 #29
You're wasting valuable time, James Carville. Paladin Apr 17 #17
Neither Carville or Hogg (or AOC/Bernie) are totally right nor mostly wrong... hlthe2b Apr 17 #18
Hogg and all other Dems must turn on the Trump regime, not on each other. Just what Trump regime wants. Jit423 Apr 17 #19
This is a flaw with the Democratic party. hamsterjill Apr 17 #20
Well, if not Pete Buttigieg, how about AOC? red dog 1 Apr 18 #120
Possible. Maybe... hamsterjill Saturday #131
I think the "large segment of the population that already has a negative feeling about her" are the MAGAts, red dog 1 Sunday #133
Carville should shut up and go away. milestogo Apr 17 #22
Someone demands his opinion be respected as he reduces the civil rights of trans people to "pronoun politics". Solly Mack Apr 17 #23
If I have to choose sides, It's gonna be Hogg. nt Gore1FL Apr 17 #26
Kindly fuck off with a rusty chainsaw there, Jimbo. Basso8vb Apr 17 #27
I always found Begala more effective on camera than Carville. sop Apr 17 #28
Why is Carville still commenting on things? Renew Deal Apr 17 #33
He is a Democrat, whether I agree with him or not he has a right to say what he thinks. William769 Apr 17 #41
The party would be better served if he didn't comment. Renew Deal Apr 17 #55
I agree. William769 Apr 17 #70
THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 17 #89
Because the corporate media loves him SocialDemocrat61 Apr 17 #97
I agree. red dog 1 Apr 18 #121
I'd take 10 David Hoggs over one Cryptkeeper. Nanjeanne Apr 17 #42
I thought the guy was marginal in the Clinton era. Liberal In Texas Apr 17 #43
$20 million dollars to pit one Democrat against another. MichMan Apr 17 #44
I am a senior who agrees with David Hogg HoosierDebbie Apr 18 #128
And when equal marriage comes under fire? Gonna bend the knee, Carville? Duncan Grant Apr 17 #47
Carville should go back to making ice cream. usonian Apr 17 #48
Carville also said Democrats should sit back & watch Trump self-destruct. pacalo Apr 17 #49
Well if Carville hates him, that's actually a plus for Hogg imo Arazi Apr 17 #50
I saw a Carville quote about beating a Republican first, then Nixie Apr 17 #51
Are people still listening to Mr. "Roll Over and Play Dead"? nt Rob H. Apr 17 #53
Not I. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 17 #84
A lot of ageist rhetoric Mountainguy Apr 17 #54
The only thing he gets credit for is propping up the status quo Renew Deal Apr 17 #56
It's not "ageist." Sky Jewels Apr 17 #63
Sorry, but like some old people Mountainguy Apr 17 #102
This guy is way past his expiration date and needs to go Bye Bye right now. Sky Jewels Apr 17 #61
Carville, the same guy who wants Democrats to "Roll Over and Play Dead"? Kid Berwyn Apr 17 #64
Not good to call him names.. just say how Cha Apr 17 #66
Yes but most of these posts that are grossly ageist here will not even be called out Meowmee Apr 18 #109
Member of the DNC should NOT be taking sides in primaries LetMyPeopleVote Apr 17 #67
Apparently he did not sign the agreement Meowmee Apr 18 #110
If Hogg will not comply with the rules, he should resign LetMyPeopleVote Apr 18 #112
Agree Meowmee Apr 18 #114
Post removed Post removed Apr 17 #68
So....your idol pays his bills? GP6971 Apr 17 #69
Alerted canetoad Apr 17 #71
Hey!!! Spring planting has started!! GP6971 Apr 17 #72
Lucky you canetoad Apr 17 #75
OH NO!!!! They're gone!!! I'm shocked!! GP6971 Apr 17 #74
James Carville? Didn't he used to think hw was a "somebody? Ping Tung Apr 17 #73
Things are not working out. bucolic_frolic Apr 17 #77
Says the man who wants to call playing dead while Trump destroys the country a political strategy. Passages Apr 17 #79
Does anyone listen to Carville anymore?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 17 #81
Some Dems don't want anything to change, this was just a month ago. Passages Apr 17 #87
Go back to Arkansas choie Apr 17 #82
Carvikle should know better to error on the side of unity. Hogg's drive isn't going to be effective uponit7771 Apr 17 #91
Some of them may have been part of the problem in 2016. Not anymore. We're in a VERY different reality. Blasphemer Apr 17 #92
Carville is right. nt LexVegas Apr 17 #94
Primary an incumbent and they both lose jcboon Apr 17 #95
There are one party districts where the Democratic or Republican primary is the real election and the general election Midwestern Democrat Apr 18 #111
Carville needs to fuck off like 15 years ago. TheBadWolf Apr 17 #101
James Carville is a Contemptible Old Twerp. JanMichael Apr 17 #103
Leave out the "Old" part and I'd agree with you 100%! red dog 1 Apr 18 #122
True but he isn't a spring chicken. He's 80. JanMichael Apr 18 #127
James Carville on Cuomo's show. Says it all. IcyPeas Apr 17 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Apr 18 #107
Carville is one reason we're in this mess alarimer Apr 18 #113
I wonder what he thinks of transgender people given his hard line against "pronoun politics" in the Democratic Party. David__77 Apr 18 #115
I was iffy about Hogg PedroXimenez Apr 18 #116
Carville has been wrong a lot as of late, but he isn't wrong here. valleyrogue Apr 18 #123
and he needs the chance to do it. Carville IS wrong, FoxNewsSucks Apr 18 #126
What "ropes"? ReRe Saturday #130
I am so sick and tired of James Carville!!! ReRe Saturday #129
That motherfucker Is a straggly beard away from being the Crypt Keeper. GaYellowDawg Saturday #132

brush

(59,631 posts)
31. He's got a point on Hogg though. What's the use of primarying a sitting Dem...
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:24 AM
Apr 17

when if successful, all that does is replace one Dem. Rep. for another without narrowing the rethug's majority in. the House.

Go after vulnerable rethug reps. in purple or blue districts Biden won in '24.

It's not that complicated. Guess the young Mr. Hogg has to learn.

I don't however agree with Carville on AOC or Bernie. They're doing great work of raising awareness of the invertebrate rethugs in the House and Senate and the ineptness of trump 2.0.

Ocelot II

(124,349 posts)
35. Hogg may or may not be wrong, but Carville calling him "a contemptible little twerp"
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:26 AM
Apr 17

is waaay out of line.

Ocelot II

(124,349 posts)
60. "He" meaning Hogg, or Carville? Obviously both have the right to their opinions.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 03:32 PM
Apr 17

But Carville's opinion that Hogg is "a contemptible little twerp" says more about Carville than it does about Hogg, and what it says isn't so good. Just because you can say something doesn't necessarily mean that you should.

dsc

(52,883 posts)
2. He is right about Hogg
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:17 AM
Apr 17

to the extent that he can either been a Dem Vice Chair or take sides in Dem primaries.

Butterflylady

(4,378 posts)
32. He said the same in a conversation with Al Hunt......
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:24 AM
Apr 17

Hogg wants to raise 20 million to primary democrats that he and his group do not really think have progressive views. Carville went to a meeting that Hogg and his group had, listened to them, turned around and very disgusted.

Sorry I can't remember the name of the group.

mcar

(44,480 posts)
62. It's obvious. He never would have been elected
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 03:33 PM
Apr 17

Starting to think we let a fox in the henhouse.

FarPoint

(13,926 posts)
5. David Hogg is the foundation of our future....
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:25 AM
Apr 17

Carville needs to go into assisted living and eat his cornbread.... Shut Up!

Apparently he can't let go....but we can ignore him.

whathehell

(30,136 posts)
21. I absolutely support David Hogg
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:55 AM
Apr 17

over Carville, but could we stop with the ageist references?

ILikePie92

(86 posts)
6. Let me see
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:27 AM
Apr 17

Didn't Carville predict the Trump administration would fall within 30 days?
Yeah, why do we care what this eldely dipshit thinks again?

whathehell

(30,136 posts)
36. See this..
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:27 AM
Apr 17

It's absolutely possible to support Hogg and decry Carville without slurring the latter because of his age...We didn't like it when it was done to Joe Biden, so let's show a little class (and consistency) and drop the double standard.

ILikePie92

(86 posts)
38. A break
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:04 PM
Apr 17

I didnt slur him because of his age. Stating that someone is elderly is not a slurbut a statement of fact. I slurred him because he's an idiot.

ILikePie92

(86 posts)
39. Geez
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:08 PM
Apr 17

Hell, I AM ELDERLY. You're just LOOKING for something to be offended about.
Read and think before accusing someone of slurring.

ILikePie92

(86 posts)
40. And
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:13 PM
Apr 17

Since WHEN is being elderly a slur? I'm damn proud to be elderly. Didn't get this way on luck!

If I'd have said he was a tall idiot, would tall be a slur? What if I'd said he was a human dipshit instead? Human is now a slur? Give mea break.
Think about context and use your brain before being offended.

whathehell

(30,136 posts)
45. Nah..
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:37 PM
Apr 17

Were that the case, you'd have referred to him as simply "a dipshit", not an "elderly dipshit".

ILikePie92

(86 posts)
57. How about
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 03:07 PM
Apr 17

A tall dipshit? Slur on tallness?

You're wrong, sorry. Only I know what I meant. Simple reading, then thinking would do the trick.
Thinking

whathehell

(30,136 posts)
90. Lol...Nice try
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:22 PM
Apr 17

but Age Discrimination is so well recognized, there are laws against it...Tall Discrimination?...Not so much.

uponit7771

(92,759 posts)
93. No, Carville said Trump's ratings would collapse or start toin...
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:25 PM
Apr 17

... 30 days and they did.

Just getting his statement correct

Response to ILikePie92 (Reply #6)

dweller

(26,452 posts)
7. LOL
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:27 AM
Apr 17

Y’all still listening to ol’ goober ?
The last significant thing he had to say echoed from a trash can over his head . . .


✌🏻

CousinIT

(11,258 posts)
8. I no longer have much respect for Cuomo or Carville. OTOH, while Hogg's efforts are ill-timed, they are justified..
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:30 AM
Apr 17

....but if not now, when is the "time" to get milquetoast Dems off their asses? Honestly, too many of them are unable/unwilling to fight in this existential battle. Maybe Hogg should go about this differently, quietly but effectively and not announce it. I don't know but I'm sick of Democrats' inability or unwillingness to go on full offense.

whathehell

(30,136 posts)
25. The ageist slurs are flying fast and furious here
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:08 AM
Apr 17

despite the fact that a majority of DUers are
either within Carville's age range

whathehell

(30,136 posts)
96. I agree.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:37 PM
Apr 17

I also think he has some particular 'quirks' that are specific to his personality, rather than his age.

ILikePie92

(86 posts)
124. It's NOT his age.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 10:48 PM
Apr 18

Carville has been around a LONG time. It's that TIME and the party and the people have passed him by like it does all of us eventually. You have to change with the times.

W_HAMILTON

(8,927 posts)
86. And then these people didn't vote for Kamala either.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:48 PM
Apr 17

Maybe our party should stop bending over backwards to appease those who will never be appeased and will always find something to complain about? They are not the Democratic base and they are all too happy to be contrarians and do their "a pox on both your houses!" schtick because that will earn them more social media clout than saying they support Democrats.

Too bad they don't realize that a sizable portion of those social media likes and hearts come from Republicans and Russian trolls amplifying their wedge issues to help propel MAGA fascists into power...

intheflow

(29,524 posts)
46. Exactly.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:55 PM
Apr 17

Him and his ilk telling us who have been warning of rising fascism in the Republican party for literal decades to STFU has led to this exact moment in time. Fuck off, Carville. Us progressives have been right all along.

dflprincess

(28,775 posts)
78. Carville has been pushing the party right for 35 years
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:01 PM
Apr 17

And still hasn't figured out it was a mistake. He needs to go away.

Fla Dem

(26,550 posts)
88. Maybe old men stuck in the late 1990's should move aside for people more in tune with the 2020's.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:55 PM
Apr 17

red dog 1

(30,716 posts)
119. Shouldn't it be "MEN" or "PEOPLE" stuck in the late 1990's should move aside for people more in tune with the 2020's?
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 08:57 PM
Apr 18

Many "old men" (like Bernie Sanders) ARE "more in tune with the 2020's."

I don't think it has anything to do with their age.

Intractable

(976 posts)
11. Hogg vs Carville
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:39 AM
Apr 17

I'm with Hogg.

And I am much closer in demographics to Carville.

I used to think I'd watch more CNN if it didn't have Cuomo as a host. Funny thing, after he got canned from CNN, I wound up watching that channel even less.

tanyev

(46,167 posts)
52. Yes, and she has not, to my knowledge, spoken out like the former Republicans at the Lincoln Project
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:22 PM
Apr 17

or Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney. Maybe she did and I missed it.

Rebl2

(16,187 posts)
34. Yes we should
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:25 AM
Apr 17

but also do nothing democrats as well. Strongly worded letters just don’t quite work these days.

gulliver

(13,415 posts)
15. "Pronoun politics" are dead
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:45 AM
Apr 17

Who's ("well-intentioned" but) dumb idea were they? I don't remember getting the email where we liberals got to vote on it. They were a major backlash backfire for the populations supposedly helped by them. I doubt those populations were consulted either.

AOC removed hers from her X bio. Bernie never talks about it. Harris and Walz shoved the whole idea and its related skits to the end of the show and then cut them for time. So, I think Carville is a little late on that one. He's beating a dead horse.

I don't think Hogg should be meddling in primaries. He needs to cool his jets and give himself a few years.

Bettie

(18,183 posts)
29. Right...young people have no
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:22 AM
Apr 17

place in the Democratic party.

At what age do young people become old enough to matter? 60? 70? 80?

Paladin

(30,252 posts)
17. You're wasting valuable time, James Carville.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:48 AM
Apr 17

You need to be spending every woken moment, fucking off.

hlthe2b

(109,285 posts)
18. Neither Carville or Hogg (or AOC/Bernie) are totally right nor mostly wrong...
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:48 AM
Apr 17

I really wish they WOULD get on the same page, though... And Carville needs to respect the very effective efforts AOC & Bernie are engaged in now. I like and respect David Hogg, but I, too, am not thrilled with efforts to challenge incumbent Dems--when we so badly need to retake the House & Senate. That one seems poorly considered for most cases.

Jit423

(1,256 posts)
19. Hogg and all other Dems must turn on the Trump regime, not on each other. Just what Trump regime wants.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:51 AM
Apr 17

STOP IT!! Speak to and speak for ALL citizens and those who are fighting for freedom and democracy., Speak against the fascists.

hamsterjill

(15,774 posts)
20. This is a flaw with the Democratic party.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 10:52 AM
Apr 17

First of all, any in-fighting needs to be done in private; not on a public platform.

Secondly, there are issues with both of these people. Carville is no longer a credible source. He's become a joke to most people and he doesn't need to be the "face" of the Democratic party by any means.

Hogg is not yet seasoned enough to understand the big picture. I am SO sorry that he (and all of the others) endured the tragedy that occurred. But that alone does not prepare him for having expertise in politics. Give him ten years, and then get back to me.

The Democratic party needs a new "face". Someone strong, yet calm. Someone easy on the eyes. I know that's shallow, but hey, this is America, and it matters. Someone articulate and quick witted and smart. I'm not sure who that is yet, but there's got to be someone.

Pete Buttigieg has the most of these qualities in my opinion. But the bubbas - even the independent bubbas - aren't willing to accept anything that comes from a gay man. That's not my thinking, but it is reality.

We need that person NOW and that person needs to be on every network, every chance. They need to be at every official event where Trump doesn't show. They need to become "THE face". People need to become comfortable with that person, trust that person, and want to hear what that person has to say.

red dog 1

(30,716 posts)
120. Well, if not Pete Buttigieg, how about AOC?
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 09:12 PM
Apr 18

I think she has both the energy and the popularity to "be on every network, every chance" - as well as "at every official event where Shitler doesn't show."

hamsterjill

(15,774 posts)
131. Possible. Maybe...
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 01:11 AM
Saturday

I'm honestly not sure. I think she's vibrant, smart and strong. But there's something about her that to me (personally) just doesn't make the cut.

That sounds horrible, right? But I'm being very honest here.

I'm not sure that I can even explain it. Perhaps it's because I'm old and she's still very young, and I just don't want to accept that it's time to see someone as young as her as a leader. That would be MY loss, and if she bubbles up to the top and becomes "THE" person, I would certainly stand behind her.

She's abrasive in a way that I think the general public would find disconcerting. That may not even be her fault as much as the fact that she's been "Hillary'd" since she came on the scene. But I think there's a large segment of the population that already has a negative feeling about her. Again, I don't know. I could be 100% wrong, and if I were wrong - I'd be fine with admitting that and supporting her.

red dog 1

(30,716 posts)
133. I think the "large segment of the population that already has a negative feeling about her" are the MAGAts,
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 05:00 PM
Sunday

and they truly do hate her, and so does their leader, Shitler.

She could get millions of younger voters, including the millions of the mostly young Democrats who stayed home on November 5th, to come out & vote blue in next year's midterm elections....(She's also popular with Independents and progressives of all ages)

We HAVE to take back both Houses of Congress next November, but that won't happen until the Democratic Party acknowledges the millions of college students, younger Democrats & first-time voters who are sick of "business as usual" and who have the energy to knock on doors, start and/or rebuild the "Young Democrats" groups in colleges, and staff the offices of Democratic candidates in every city & large town in America.

They stayed home last November because they weren't listened to.

That has to change!

Solly Mack

(94,855 posts)
23. Someone demands his opinion be respected as he reduces the civil rights of trans people to "pronoun politics".
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:00 AM
Apr 17

sop

(13,823 posts)
28. I always found Begala more effective on camera than Carville.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:19 AM
Apr 17

Carville needs to head back to the swamps.

Renew Deal

(83,834 posts)
33. Why is Carville still commenting on things?
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 11:25 AM
Apr 17

Not only is Carville "part of the problem", he is a wart on the parties nose.

William769

(58,802 posts)
41. He is a Democrat, whether I agree with him or not he has a right to say what he thinks.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:13 PM
Apr 17

Apparently he still has enough weight for the media to pick him up. So that's saying something.

SocialDemocrat61

(4,272 posts)
97. Because the corporate media loves him
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:47 PM
Apr 17

He’s one of the faces they want to push on the Democratic Party.

MichMan

(14,962 posts)
44. $20 million dollars to pit one Democrat against another.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 12:34 PM
Apr 17

It doesn't seem like a useful use of resources IMO

At a private meeting last month, a “neutrality policy” was circulated asking the party’s top officers to refrain from any activity that would “call into question their impartiality and evenhandedness,” according to two people with knowledge of the pledge, which sought to cover officers “both in their D.N.C. capacity and in their personal capacity.”

Everyone signed it — except Mr. Hogg.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dnc-vice-chair-david-hogg-plans-to-spend-millions-against-democratic-incumbents-admits-this-is-going-to-anger-a-lot-of-people/ar-AA1D3g6j?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=ee4b751c50b94ca1bb8d7dad1f2494b1&ei=18

HoosierDebbie

(417 posts)
128. I am a senior who agrees with David Hogg
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 11:58 PM
Apr 18

Traditional Democratic politics don't work anymore. We Lost! We need reps who will stand up and make noise, not just Traditional, Incumbent Democrats who are quiet and unwilling to be bold.

I prefer Democratic representatives and Senators who are willing to revolutionize the way they communicate campaign and legislate.
If the old guard can't or won't step up and show they are passionate and proactive, then I agree that they should be replaced.
,
It is not that people are old, it is the ideas and methods that are old.

Duncan Grant

(8,694 posts)
47. And when equal marriage comes under fire? Gonna bend the knee, Carville?
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:01 PM
Apr 17

I’m a progressive gay man; out for 40 years. It’s been my experience that democrats expect a lot of “patience” from some of their constituencies. It doesn’t threaten me one bit that Hogg is looking to expedite a progressive agenda. I look forward to a vigorous debate over the future of this party.

pacalo

(24,745 posts)
49. Carville also said Democrats should sit back & watch Trump self-destruct.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:13 PM
Apr 17

Carville needs to go away. As evidenced by the pictures of Sanders'/AOC's rallies, people are hungry for action.

It's a new day, with untraveled roads. Get lost, Carville.

Arazi

(7,730 posts)
50. Well if Carville hates him, that's actually a plus for Hogg imo
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:18 PM
Apr 17

Time to shake things up.

New ideas please!

Nixie

(17,611 posts)
51. I saw a Carville quote about beating a Republican first, then
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 01:21 PM
Apr 17

he’ll respect. That seems like the whole nut right there. No one can argue with that, and it explains perfectly his doubts.

Renew Deal

(83,834 posts)
56. The only thing he gets credit for is propping up the status quo
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 02:50 PM
Apr 17

enough to get us into the situation we're in.

Sky Jewels

(9,120 posts)
63. It's not "ageist."
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 03:37 PM
Apr 17

Bernie is out there fighting the good fight and he's 83. We love him. This moron, on the other hand, thinks it's still 1992. That's why we're critical. He sucks, and he's wrong.

Mountainguy

(1,736 posts)
102. Sorry, but like some old people
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 08:44 PM
Apr 17

Doesn't make the things said here any less ageist.


"I have a black friend"

Sky Jewels

(9,120 posts)
61. This guy is way past his expiration date and needs to go Bye Bye right now.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 03:33 PM
Apr 17

If I never see or hear James Carville again it will be too soon.

Kid Berwyn

(20,092 posts)
64. Carville, the same guy who wants Democrats to "Roll Over and Play Dead"?
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 03:40 PM
Apr 17
https://www.thedailybeast.com/james-carville-says-the-democrats-should-play-dead-to-beat-trump/

A tactical pause, a political retreat, a curl up and hope they don't see us kind of posture -- whatever words one uses, Carville's arrogant and simultaneously cowardly approach is why so many "independents" and "undecideds" have turned from the Democratic "brand." No one follows a coward into combat.

Meowmee

(8,728 posts)
109. Yes but most of these posts that are grossly ageist here will not even be called out
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 01:43 AM
Apr 18

LetMyPeopleVote

(162,038 posts)
67. Member of the DNC should NOT be taking sides in primaries
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 04:18 PM
Apr 17

I know that county and state parties are generally prohibited from getting involved in primary contests and that all of the members of the DNC other than Mr. Hogg have signed a pledge not to get involved in primaries. If Mr. Hogg wants to do this, he should resign from the DNC



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/04/15/dnc-leader-democrats-primary/

DNC Chair Ken Martin said in a statement that “Hogg is a passionate advocate and we are grateful for his service to the Democratic Party, whether it be in his role as a DNC Vice Chair or in an outside capacity.”

“In order to ensure we are as effective as possible at electing Democrats to office, it is the DNC’s longstanding position that primary voters — not the national party — determine their Democratic candidates for the general election,” Martin continued.

All DNC officers have been asked to avoid activities in their party or personal capacity that would raise questions about their impartiality, but Hogg was the one DNC leader who did not sign the “neutrality policy.”



I agree with James Carville here

Meowmee

(8,728 posts)
110. Apparently he did not sign the agreement
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 01:46 AM
Apr 18

So my question is why was he allowed not to? The d party members who supported him to run as a vc, elected him and allowed this are responsible imo.

We now have a d leader attacking d from within in what will amount to damaging primary crap, which could weaken any candidates, which is imo not good.

Imo d leaders need to attack R candidates not D.

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

canetoad

(18,931 posts)
75. Lucky you
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 04:38 PM
Apr 17

I'm pulling out and composting the remains of summer. Weather still good though.

bucolic_frolic

(49,970 posts)
77. Things are not working out.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 04:47 PM
Apr 17

Change is inevitable. There is also change that is too abrupt, too comprehensive, too untested. We don't need to change the part of the party that is entrenched and winning elections. We need growth in other areas. Catering to youngsters will have consequences with elders, and I do mean voters. This oil well could come up dry.

Passages

(2,662 posts)
79. Says the man who wants to call playing dead while Trump destroys the country a political strategy.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:05 PM
Apr 17

Sounds like a great idea:

Obama oversaw a net loss of 947 state legislative seats, 63 House seats, 11 senators, and 13 governors.

Now, of course, we lost it all, the House, Senate, and White House.


NAFTA was a great policy, too.

Passages

(2,662 posts)
87. Some Dems don't want anything to change, this was just a month ago.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 05:53 PM
Apr 17

James Carville@JamesCarville
Looking forward to it!
Quote
Jake Sherman@JakeSherman
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Mar 10
HOUSE DEMS have their retreat this week in Leesburg, Va.

Among the speakers:
- @danpfeiffer
- JAMES CARVILLE
- LINDA THOMAS GREENFIELD
- @AndyBeshearKY
- @GovWhitmer
- @JoshShapiroPA



uponit7771

(92,759 posts)
91. Carvikle should know better to error on the side of unity. Hogg's drive isn't going to be effective
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:24 PM
Apr 17

...seeing our den leadership has over performed

Blasphemer

(3,431 posts)
92. Some of them may have been part of the problem in 2016. Not anymore. We're in a VERY different reality.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:25 PM
Apr 17

The Democrats (aside from those mentioned and the others that have stepped up) have looked like weak, insipid, do-nothings in the face of a fascist coup. I typically defend them against attacks from the left because I know that this is fundamentally a center-right country (by design). However, this is not the moment for 90s style triangulation. We're dealing with Nazis here, Mr. Carville. The only answer is resistance.

111. There are one party districts where the Democratic or Republican primary is the real election and the general election
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 04:54 AM
Apr 18

simply makes it official. I don't agree with the idea that in a district like that someone should be entitled to be a congressman for life - regardless of his performance in office - simply because he won the Democratic primary when the seat became open.

TheBadWolf

(49 posts)
101. Carville needs to fuck off like 15 years ago.
Thu Apr 17, 2025, 07:42 PM
Apr 17

He doesn't give a shit about a winning strategy for Democrats, only keeping his name out there to fuel his own ego and keeping the gravy train flowing for DINOs.

JanMichael

(25,578 posts)
127. True but he isn't a spring chicken. He's 80.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 11:33 PM
Apr 18

And he cackles like a voodoo hoodoo dude.

Plus he used "little" in a clever way to mock youth and experience.

But I get your point.

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

 

alarimer

(17,146 posts)
113. Carville is one reason we're in this mess
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 07:26 AM
Apr 18

Democrats usually response to losing is to double down on swinging to the right. Few even try to be bold. Some are doing so and it is energizing people. Meanwhile, others send "strongly worded letters".

There is zero reason a seat in Congress should be a job for life. They need to be challenged every single time.

David__77

(24,026 posts)
115. I wonder what he thinks of transgender people given his hard line against "pronoun politics" in the Democratic Party.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 10:07 AM
Apr 18

valleyrogue

(2,027 posts)
123. Carville has been wrong a lot as of late, but he isn't wrong here.
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 09:53 PM
Apr 18

This is shades of AOC on the very first day she was in Congress. Both of them very young and thinking they know everything when in fact they know next to nothing. It is a good way to make enemies, and they really don't want to piss off people who have been in public service a lot longer than they have. They need to learn the ropes.

Hogg is only 25 years old and has a LOT of growing up to do.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,120 posts)
126. and he needs the chance to do it. Carville IS wrong,
Fri Apr 18, 2025, 11:30 PM
Apr 18

as wrong as he was to say Dems should just sit on their hands and let the Orange Anus wreck everything.

Fuck him, continuing to do the same damn thing with the same damn type of elected people DID NOT WORK. It won't work in the future, either. MAGAts hope we'll listen to fools like Carville.

ReRe

(11,569 posts)
130. What "ropes"?
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 01:07 AM
Saturday

The ropes of money/corruption? The lobbyist's ropes? The "Party" ropes? Let me tell you what those young people know: They know what it looks like from the outside looking in. It isn't a pretty picture out here on the streets of America. I'm an oldster, but I am thrilled to have such wonderful young people entering our Party to take the reigns.

ReRe

(11,569 posts)
129. I am so sick and tired of James Carville!!!
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 12:42 AM
Saturday

How's about us all suing James Carville because he won't shut the fuck up? It just seems to me like some of these old Democrats have a penchant for demonizing young democrats and I've had it with them! The future of our Party lies in their hands. Now let it go! Go home. Go fishing with your grandkids. Do all those things you always wanted to do but never had time to. He never learned the old Ben Franklin adage that goes something like "If you can't say something nice about somebody, then don't say anything at all." Hasn't Trump and his cabal not given him enough to bitch about?

GaYellowDawg

(4,956 posts)
132. That motherfucker Is a straggly beard away from being the Crypt Keeper.
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 02:14 AM
Saturday

He needs to realize his time is over, STFU, and lay back down in the coffin

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