James Carville's "advice" helped give us Trump 2.0

[Jack Valentino]

For the past 150 years or so, any party who failed to renominate their incumbent President has lost the general election, but it was his advice that we do so... and the comments of him and sundry others drove President Biden to withdraw from the race--- which according to some 150 years of previous history guaranteed that we would lose the general election.

and we did.


Sometime later he assured us that VP Harris would win....

but she didn't.


Now he wants to tell us that joining the groundswell of support for a fighting Democrat named AOC
would be a big mistake....

Well.... his advice hasn't been any good since 1992,
and I wish he would just SHUT THE FUCK UP,
and retire to a swing on his porch, as he pushed President Biden to do.

He isn't so much younger than Fighting Joe, after all....

[regnaD kciN]

1. Jimmy had the great luck to sign on with the most charismatic candidate since JFK...

…and has spent the last three decades pretending he was the brains behind it all.

[Jack Valentino]

2. and I don't recall him giving Kamala any advice

worth shit... or any advice AT ALL, for that matter...


He should go write his memoirs

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

27. Does anyone listen to Carville anymore??

[Paladin]

29. NOBODY should be listening to him, anymore.

Carville needs to do everyone a favor and disappear.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

38. I second that... it's time for a new generation of Democrats to take over!!

[GreenWave]

30. He stole my SCROTUS description and used it the next day methinks.

[FoxNewsSucks]

81. Rightwing media does, apparently.

He gives them a lot of talking points

[brush]

3. I dunno. Carville nor anyone else gave that disastrous performance at the debate.

I will add that Joe Biden was not well served by his staff. They had him traveling to Europe for WWll memorials, which was mandatory, but then they had him travel back and all the way to California before the debate.

He was exhausted at the debate and it showed. No way could he remain in the race after that.

[Jack Valentino]

4. Why not? He already had the nomination sown up. People's memories are short---

and I said at the time, if we abandoned our incumbent President,
according to history we were guaranteed to lose.

I have been proven correct about that.

Joe's chances might not have been good,
but they were better than no chance at all.


However, when it was a "done deal" and he endorsed Kamala,
I was with her 100%--- and felt good about where I thought we were,
early in her campaign.


However, the weight of history proved to be too large of a burden to win
(as well as racism and mysogeny, of course)

[brush]

5. Your memory must be short too. He was being blasted daily by...

all the media — MSM, newspapers, cable shows, online outlets, Russian bots. No way did he have a chance to win after that performance.

Sad but true. It was either VP Harris or a rushed Dem primary. The party opted for VP Harris and she did a wonderful job.

IMO no way did she lose every swing state. I think Musk money (bribes maybe) had a lot to do with the results.

[FoxNewsSucks]

82. I don't think it was just his money,

it was likely also his computer hackers. It's not a crazy thing to question that.

[brush]

84. Absolutely. I still don't believe trump won all swing states legitimately.

[GreenWave]

31. Joe needed to BOOM his voice about Trump outrages.

[JI7]

6. It was Biden's debate performance, even people on here

were saying he should step aside. This makes it seem as if Carville was one of few. And he certainly wasn't one of the influential ones.

Clooney, Pelosi, and all the other Democrats in office where each day more and more kept calling for Biden to drop out were the reason.

[Jack Valentino]

7. And I don't have much use for them either---

and several US Senators lost their campaigns, even after they said Biden should withdraw, as he did.



I'm liking some AOC right now--- tired of old lame Democrats
(even if I resemble them)

Cloony, YEAH, I have no use for him either.

[karynnj]

23. Here, I blame Biden's campaign team

They had a very tough decision. Biden was sick during that debate and far worse than in any other appearance. Biden and his team knew the debate was important and cancelling for illness would unfortunately be used to confirm that he was unhealthy.

[Jack Valentino]

56. Agreed, under those circumstances they should have canceled and

attempted to set up another date, a week or so later.... using some other excuse, if necessary.


Woulda, shoulda.... didn't.

[kansasobama]

32. I had consistency said this about debates

And, I wrote to the Biden's and the Democratic Party but obviously no one listens or cares.

YOU DO NOT DEBATE TRUMP. PERIOD. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER YOU WIN OR LOSE THE DEBATE

Debates with Trump or the cult GOP candidates are merely a motivator for their voters. MSM and Dems debate to death about our missteps. The GOP voters, on the other hand, just " high five" whatever they say. Content does not matter. Why are we not learning? Considering he wanted to run, Biden made a big mistake calling for a debate. That is it.

Want examples? Clinton-Trump, Bush-Gore, Bush-Kerry. Even the 2020 Biden-Trump did not really help Biden. A wider race became a close election after the debates.

[Jack Valentino]

57. Rather agree with this, also--- Trump doesn't "debate", he just screams falsehoods

attempting to "flood the zone" until his debate opponent shuts up i frustration...

[karynnj]

73. I agree on Trump, but not on Bush in 2004

After the barrage of Swiftboat liars ads and the Republican convention, Kerry was almost 10 points behind. The debates were what made it close. So close, the Republicans needed voter suppression in Ohio cities. The difference may have been both Kerry's unusual skill as a debator and his enormous discipline that allowed him not to visibly react to Bush. ( also the advantage of seeing how the media beat up on Gore for sighing) Out of power, the only times Kerry had to speak directly to the country were his convention and the debates. Remember that Kerry could not do the half an hour paid ad that Obama did as he was very financially constrained.

Part of the problem is that as you described, the two sides are not treated equally. For Biden to refuse to debate, the he is too old, too mentally challenged would have been as bad as doing the debate sick. I think his team saw the 2020 debates as either helpful or a draw. What i wonder in hindsight is whether they could have set the stage better by using the 2020 footage to focus on Trump not answering questions, lying and being abusive. In 2020, Biden did best when calling Trump out for doing exactly that.

The sad thing is that even with detailed press conferences and interviews where Biden gave great, thoughtful answers to complex questions, once the terrible debate happened it could not have been corrected. I suspect that might have been because it fit the narrative that Biden was getting too old that was omnipresent on the right and in more mainstream places where there was a desire for him to transition to someone younger.

[valleyrogue]

43. Oh please.

He went on national television and made a threat to go to donors. He was the catalyst for Biden‘s being forced to step down. I can’t believe people refuse to see what actually happened.

[William769]

8. BS and you know it.

No man has that much power or influence over our party. A big

[Jack Valentino]

9. The rest of them can share the responsibility for it.

You know where you can put your thumb, if it pleases you.

[William769]

10. I've already put it someplace else.

[Jack Valentino]

11. Oh, WONDERFUL!

Care to "open your cam" ???



JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA

[Jack Valentino]

12. What IS "BS" is the idea taken up by so many in our party last year,

by both politicians and some of the party rank-and-file---
that we could somehow defeat precedent and history, by dumping Joe Biden.


Obviously, it didn't work--- and I made that argument at the time.
I was right about that much.

[markodochartaigh]

13. Vice President Biden

came out for marriage equality before his president or party were ready (an amazingly courageous thing to do). President Biden made a priority of reuniting children and their families separated by Trump. President Biden was the first president to walk a picket line.

President Biden bed-bound and on a ventilator, with 30 minutes of medically induced consciousness a day would be leaps and bounds better than any other president we have had in 50 years.

But after that debate, I don't think that he could have won. The fault is not his, it is ours. Shallow, plastic, "fake it 'til you make it" America is the problem.

Still, until the Democratic party has both houses of Congress and the presidency I'm not going to report for duty on the circular firing squad.

[Jack Valentino]

55. "I might have been sometimes 'sleepy' ---

but I was never a stark raving rapey felonious lunatic---
and when I was President, you could sleep at night."

~ my fictional quote from President Joe Biden

[Mister Ed]

14. Regardless of what we think "woulda" or "coulda" happened in '24 if things were done differently...

...this Carville character has absolutely zero relevance in the 21st Century.

He's not an oracle. He's just some guy yapping on the TV. I'm surprised that any think his pronouncements worthy of note or discussion.

[Jack Valentino]

61. I merely found him worthy enough to ask that he "shut the fuck up" :)

[Mister Ed]

72. Aye. Please understand that my reply was not a criticism of your OP...

...but rather, a criticism of TV producers who think Carville is worthy of airtime, and of viewers who put any stock at all in what he has to say.

[everyonematters]

16. Biden was the first incumbent where a strong majority of the voters said that he was not capable of performing

a second term because of his age. He might be wrong about AOC. The debate solidified it.

[Johonny]

17. All the people that thought they knew better

Pretend that they still knew better. They aren't much different than Trump. They cannot admit a mistake.

It is possible that Biden would have lost anyway. It is not true that forcing out the primary winner gave them a good narrative going into the general election. Biden had a terrible first debate, but no worse than Bush or Obama and both won.

It is true that world wide incumbents were losing due to inflation. But the party should have read that situation . . . In the summer of 2023 not 2024.

[Self Esteem]

19. Democrats would have lost the Wisconsin, Michigan and Nevada senate races if Biden remained in the race.

It would have been a bloodbath, unfortunately. Trump would have easily won the election and had a much larger mandate than he does now, while Democrats a larger hole to climb out of.

Trump was on course for an Obama 2008 style victory with Biden in the race.

[Jack Valentino]

60. "Prophet, say you?"

Could you give me God's phone number? since you presume to have it

[Self Esteem]

75. It doesn't take a prophet to read the polling...

...and why every single one of those senators pushed for Biden to step aside. They knew with him at the top of the ticket, he would have sank their reelection bids and they knew this because their own internal polling was showing it.

Polls consistently showed Democrats were not enthusiastic at all about Biden being in the race. I know so many people here wanted to plug their ears and ignore reality about the polling ... but it was far closer to being right than anyone here.

But let's not talk about being prophetic.

I was put through the ringer multiple times for how many times I said the race was a toss-up and that Harris could lose.

I'm not a prophet but I can read the vibes and the polling and everything was trending toward disaster with Biden in the race.

[EdmondDantes_]

26. I have to disagree with the Biden debate not being worse that Bush or Obama

That was the worst debate performance on a visual/audible basis that I can recall. Yes on the substance he was better than Trump, but TV is such a visual medium and our voting population isn't voting purely on policy. Yeah Bush looked like he was in over his head, but neither he or Obama looked like they physically weren't capable of the job. Nor were they down as much in the polls and apparently even more so in the internal polls as Biden was.

[kansasobama]

33. Why do Dems keep debating

They still think voters are intelligent.

[Self Esteem]

18. Are you suggesting Biden would have won?

Biden was on a collision course for a landslide loss. He was looking at losing by the largest margin of any Democrat since Dukakis.

Worse, his being on the ticket would have likely taken senate seats Democrats barely won with him (Nevada, Michigan and Wisconsin).

Biden stood zero chance at winning that election last November. Harris at least made the environment strong enough that Democrats didn't get absolutely destroyed top to bottom.

[Jack Valentino]

71. Maybe... maybe not. But James Carville's advice didn't give us the White House,

and I don't want to hear anything more from him regarding 2028

[Self Esteem]

74. No maybe. He was not going to win.

The only reason Democrats didn't get absolutely massacred last November is because Biden finally pulled the plug on his campaign.

[karynnj]

20. So true

1992 was also the Republicans running for a fourth term with a not very charismatic President with a wealthy populist libertarian, Perot, running primarily against Bush. It is very likely any of the Democratic nominees, if they ran a competent campaign, would have won.

Carville and Begala then mythologized their 1992 roles in the campaign in War Room. In fact, the win of the nomination likely had far more to do with Clinton's genuine charisma, the number of more liberal opponents who never settled behind an anybody but Clinton person and the mostly southern states super Tuesday happening when it did. Even so, he didn't clinch until June.

Since then, he was definitely a net negative with his smirky comments in almost every election since. He was terrible as one of the most prominent Democrats on TV in 2004, claiming Kerry was just "anybody but Bush", a concept that only makes sense in the primary, ignoring Kerry's campaign dominating the primaries, losing just 4 states including favorite son victories for Dean and Edwards after he clinched the nomination far earlier than Clinton had. As someone who was impressed by Kerry, I resented this as I remembered that as a working mother of three, I took the time to look at Clinton's "putting people forward" so I could advocate for him, a candidate i did not particularly like in the primaries.


He likely hurt Hillary's campaigns in 2008 and 2016 and was irrelevant to the Obama campaigns. He was not helpful or particularly insightful in either 2020 or 2024.

[tman]

21. Not a fan of Carville but I strongly disagree that Biden would have faired better.

All the data (public and private) pointed to a Biden loss and with Harris as the nominee, most of us knew the race was a tossup at best.

An almost certain loss VS a toss up. Those were the options after that disastrous first debate.

One could argue how we could've avoided this whole debacle in the first place but that would be too controversial.

[krawhitham]

42. We lost because 3-6m Dem voters stayed home

2024
Dems 75,017,613
GQP 77,302,580
other 2,950,136
total 155,270,329

2020
Dems 81,283,501
GQP 74,223,975
Other 3,011,867
total 158,519,343

2020 vs 2024
Dems -6,265,888
GQP +3,078,605
Other +61,731
Total +3,249,014

Maybe the orange turd converted 3 million Dems or maybe he just drove 3 million more of his supports to the polls

Be we lost because we stayed home, many stayed home, specially in the 65+ age group solely because Joe was pushed out. (You push an old guy out, old people have going to have feelings about it)

[Self Esteem]

45. Nah.

65+ made up 28% of the voting electorate in 2024. Trump won this group 50-49.

In 2020, 65+ only made up 22% of the vote. Trump won this group 52-47.

So, not only was there a sizable bump of older voters in 2024 compared to 2020, Harris did six-points better than Biden in 2020.

The voters who stayed home were younger voters - or they marginally shifted to the right.

In 2020, 18-29 voters made up 17% of the electorate. Biden won this group 60-36.

In 2024, 18-29 voters made up 14% of voters and Harris won this group 54-43.

Democrats went +24 with this group in 2020 to just +11 in 2024.

That's why they lost.

And we know, based on polls, that Biden was hemorrhaging support from younger voters. Harris likely stopped some of that bleeding but it wasn't enough. Younger voters shifted hard to the right this last election, even if Harris still did "well".

Biden would have been cooked.

Regardless, the numbers suggest you're wrong about old people staying home. They saw an uptick from four years ago and even shifted more Democratic. But the younger voters came out less and those who did come out were more Trump friendly than in 2020.

[red dog 1]

47. You make a good point, many Dems just didn't show up to vote on November 5th, so Shitler won.

But I don't think it was only or mainly "in the 65+ age group"...I think a lot of Gen Z voters stayed home too, perhaps a few million.

[PCIntern]

22. Whereas I'm in agreement with much of your post,

Nominating AOC would be beyond catastrophic.

I do recall that after Trump was elected, there were a whole bunch of Democrats who wanted to get Oprah for president. Nothing could be stupider than that…

[Jack Valentino]

58. I disagree. I think AOC could be "Obama 2.0"----

and the Republicans all screamed that Obama was a "socialist", didn't they--- ??

but it didn't work.


By the time 2028 rolls around, quite possibly any Democrat can win--
if they don't get caught raping a live boy or a dead girl

At this early point in the contest, she has the most "oomp". Booker is second.

Way past time for Democrats to quit worrying about what used to be
"normal politics". All that matters is exciting your base---

even if your base is excited by a rapey convicted felon raving lunatic---
apparently those negative things don't matter anymore---

and AOC is certainly none of those!

[tritsofme]

24. Biden at the top of the ticket could have potentially cost us Senate races in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Arizona

It would have been an absolute disaster.

Harris might well have been doomed from the start, but she kept the wheels on in a way that a post-debate Biden was not capable of.

[Jack Valentino]

62. That is merely a supposition without any support--- and all those "folks" who

pushed Biden out of the race, did not want Kamala either....

they wanted to create some kind of fictional "second chance" presidential primary...

Kamala LOST, so that seems no less of a 'distaster' than if President Biden had been on the ballot,
as far as I'm concerned....

He did happen to be a "white male", so I have to presume in our sad state of affairs,
that this would have been worth a percentage point of two, in the general election...

And, he might have been able to make some kind of recovery. Now, we'll never know for sure---
and anyone who claims to know for sure, is just a fucking liar.

[In It to Win It]

25. Joe Biden would have lost.

[Jack Valentino]

63. Quite possibly---- but failing to renominate your incumbent President has

GUARANTEED that you would lose the general election for the past 100 years!


Pushing Joe out of the race only guaranteed that we would end up with Trump 2.0,
and that historical lesson still stands.

[In It to Win It]

65. The past doesn't guarantee it will be repeated in the future

They renominated Trump in 2020, he lost.

HW Bush was renominated and lost.

Jimmy Carter was renominated and lost.

Incumbents can lose.

Joe Biden deciding to run for reelection as a not-so-popular president is what guaranteed Trump 2.0. The incumbent for which people blame inflation on is what guaranteed Trump 2.0. Being in denial that Joe Biden’s age became an election issue, as unfair as it was to Joe Biden, is what guaranteed Trump 2.0.

[Jack Valentino]

67. WRONG. For the past 100 years, it DOES guarantee that you will LOSE

the general election if you abandon your incumbent President. That rule STILL stands.


Doesn't mean you will win if you renominate your incumbent,
but if you DON'T, they you ARE guaranteed to LOSE.

My point still stands. That some incumbents also lost in the past is quite beside the point.

[In It to Win It]

68. Ok. I respectfully disagree.

[Jack Valentino]

69. Show me a party that won the presidential general election after

abandoning their living incumbent president in the past 100 years---

then we can talk.


My main point in this whole thread is mostly that Carville and all the others
who pushed President Biden out of the race, to supposedly
"save us from Trump"
should NOW just SHUT THE FUCK UP--- their presumed 'expert advice'
did us no good,

and their advice about who should the the 2028 nominee
is worth just as much as a shitty wad of toilet paper.

[In It to Win It]

70. No. I'm good. You've made your point. I've made mine.

Nothing more for me to say at this point.

[NoMoreRepugs]

28. I respect and appreciate history, BUT rehashing Biden yes Biden no is a waste.

Learning from what happened and strategizing going forward to save/reclaim our Democracy is the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS.

[gulliver]

34. He actually called on Harris to endorse a primary.

And she didn't do that. Biden had already endorsed her, and Dems all fell in line, enthusiastically. I'm no different. I was caught up in the "joy" too and thought she would win. Trump was shaking in his boots.

I blame the combination of wokism and "fighterism" for our loss basically. We pick bad fights. We let anyone who wants our mic have it, whether they're dumb or saint wannabes or babbling hotheads. We claim we love fighters, but the people we pick as fighters are just people who gripe and whine and stir resentment. We don't even know what a fighter is.

[IrishBubbaLiberal]

35. James Carville is LONG past his prime, not worth listening to at all

Carville still lives in the 1990s,

The political landscape is GONE that he still pontificates about.
His current nonstop ‘advice’ are merely empty words, spewing with no substance.

Nonsense.

Like an old football ‘star’ in high school,
decades later still living in the past,

[red dog 1]

48. "Like an old football star in high school, decades later still living in the past"

(Sounds like Al Bundy)

[IrishBubbaLiberal]

50. I wish I was having some Golden Boy pizza right now

Noticed your SF local

I went to GGU, Golden Gate Univ in financial district
a ‘few’ decades ago. 🤓

Was a BECHTEL sponsored Masters for Construction Project Mgmt

I could sure go for some Golden Boy PIZZA 😎
Or Tomasso’s pasta dishes

Then a couple of Irish Coffees at Buena Vista,
too bad Paul Nolan finally retired after all this decades

Clam and Garlic PIZZA. 😍

[Jack Valentino]

64. They both seem to have their hand stuck down their pants....

[Ol Janx Spirit]

36. We desperately needed Joe Biden in 2020--a steady hand at the wheel to guide...

...and reassure us after the tragedy of the pandemic and Felonious Orange's handling of it. But what we also needed from Biden was the honest self-assessment of his ability to carry his leadership on into a second term.

While he did hold 14 solo press conferences in his first three years in office, it really did feel like we rarely heard from him in a setting that showed his mental acuity. It was concerning to me at the time, and when the first debate came around I really expected Biden to perform well against the obvious firehose of lies and hatred he would be facing.

The actual result made my heart sink. It seemed obvious why I didn't feel like he had been making as many appearances. And the excuses from the Administration felt like just that: excuses. The Biden team had demanded the time, place and format of the debate for some--what seemed to me at the time--odd reason, and this was the result.... It was over at that point in my mind....

I can't even imagine what being in Biden's position at the time was like. We all know our own limitations as we age, but we often refuse to believe them and carry on as if nothing has changed. Was Biden self-aware enough to know that debate performance was a possibility? Did he really want to be a one-term president but look around and not feel there was another Democrat that could do the job? Did the trappings of power after seeking the position for so long cloud his judgement?

At any rate, it seems very difficult to blame those on the outside looking in for expressing their honest opinion. And while Carville is not high on my list of people I listen to for advice, the Biden Administration would have done well to concentrate every day on the one simple piece of advice he was famous for: "It's the economy stupid."

[Scubamatt]

37. Fighting back

At the height of his career with Clinton, Carville was known for the principle of YOU ALWAYS RESPOND IMMEDIATELY to the lies the other side was creating and you always take the offense. He seems to have forgotten his own lessons. Good riddance.

[RandomNumbers]

39. You had a rec from me until AOC came up

How many years of history do we have that says a woman can't win the Presidency of the U.S.? ** So isn't advocating for AOC just as crazy as Carville saying Biden needed to drop out? (I like AOC in general, have some specific differences with her, and want to see her progress - just not to run for President at this time.)

Also just curious, because I actually don't know and maybe somebody else does ... when was the last time an extreme LIBERAL won the US Presidency? ***

** I dearly WISH we could have a woman as President, although I don't vote in the primary on that basis. I thoroughly despise the misogyny that reigns in this country. But despising something doesn't make it go away. I'm always going to vote on the issues - if AOC *does* present in a way that is better than the other primary candidates, I would likely vote for her despite my misgivings about her chances in the general election. But I don't think she will - I think we will have better candidates.

*** Republicans can elect extremists like Trump because the Republican party is politically far more homogenous than the Democratic party. Basically they are the Anti-Liberal party, and very good at keeping their voters in line. On the other hand, Democrats have to appeal to a much broader set of priorities. We are the cat-herding party. Someone who sits on the radical edge of any key position will most likely alienate another important faction of potential Dem voters.

[Jack Valentino]

66. 2008, 2012, and 2020---- according to the Republicans---

(actually, Obama and Biden were not "extreme liberals",
but socialists or communists, according to the Republicans....)


"when was the last time an extreme LIBERAL won the US Presidency? ***"

[SocialDemocrat61]

40. I blame the corporate media

They keep putting him on their shows because they want him to be controversial.

[red dog 1]

49. I agree.

Fuck the corporate media!

[Mountainguy]

41. Uh oh....Carville said something

That gave progressives a sad and now the knives are out for him.

Typical behavior.

[Mike 03]

44. David Gergen played this role far better

I admit there used to be a gush of nostalgia when Carville would come on TV, or I'd hear his voice on the radio--remembering those early fun days in the Clinton administration and particularly the War Room days of the campaign.

But if he's offered seriously useful advice over the last year or two I'm sorry to say I've missed it.

The guy I DO miss is David Gergen, who retired from doing what Carville does a couple of years ago. I later found out he began his career as a Republican, but he seemed to evolve and I always found him impartial and able to give really good advice--usually to our side.

[demmiblue]

46. Skeletor needs to STFU and go away. Imo, of course.

[UTUSN]

51. Him, Carville, & Axelrod are my last nerve

[Keepthesoulalive]

52. I agree with you

We have quite a few paid influencers, people who will sell their mothers for money and power.
He was the first one to ask donors to withhold their contributions. Whatever bull he’s pushing now it’s too late, we are watching a mad man destroying our country and he owns a large part of that.

[ILikePie92]

53. Oh snap

I can't wait for the claims of ageist slurs to begin since you had the gall to mention his chronological time on this planet. Heavens to Betsy, where are my clutching pearls?

I'm being sarcastic, hopefully obviously and agree with your post. And before I get the hateful replies claiming I'm ageist too, let it be known that I'm no spring chicken myself. Geez.

[PurgedVoter]

54. Mr. Matalin is well past his expiration date.

There is a reason that Conservative (pronounced Fascist) media keeps quoting him and not Al Franken.

[iemanja]

59. Biden was never going to win

The number one mistake was his seeking reelection in the first place.

[thought crime]

83. Should have dropped out after the mid-term. n/t

[Eliot Rosewater]

76. And he did not win the election, something happened. I'm not sure what but there's no way with.

Record registration record turnout, record people at the rallies. There’s just no way sorry.

Record-breaking fundraising, he did not win. He did not win. I don’t know what the fuck happened but eventually when it comes out, yeah he did not win.

Experts who observe elections for the sole purpose of turnout and fundraising and registration, one after another saying it’s not possible

[Eliot Rosewater]

78. 200 bomb threats called in on election day way more than ever

All in swing states

[walkingman]

77. Blaming Carville for our loss is not legitimate. IMO, the blame for our lose was because

almost 20 million Dems who voted for Biden in 2020 did not vote this time - for whatever reason.

I just don't think people took the threat of Trump seriously enough. A similar thing hurt us in 2016 - people for various reason did not vote.

Simple cure.....VOTE like your lives depend on it....because they very well could. Hope we do better in 2026 in the midterms, otherwise you might say we deserve what we get. If out Democracy lasts that long.

[Faux pas]

79. He should shut

the EFF up, dry up and blow away.

[samplegirl]

80. Look who he's married to.

She was the biggest Rightwing Cheerleader ever.