The "Democrats Messaging"...or whatever.

[Septua]

It's been 5-1/2 months since Kamala lost the election. Immediately after the election, the Democrats started trying to diagnose the loss; and still today, they are trying to figure out what went wrong and how to correct it...

It started out as poor 'messaging' that the Dem campaign didn't talk about the kitchen table issues. I don't recall any campaign speeches not covering inflation or high prices or the border. But inflation and prices were not a winnable argument at the time as incumbent administrations always take the rap for peoples' gripes on election day and too stupid to accept rational explanations for supply/demand balances. And the Trump propaganda machine was assuring them the inflation/prices issue would be resolved in a 100 days.

So far as the border, the propaganda machine exaggerated and distorted the facts, outperforming Biden's adherence to the Constitution.

Now, I've heard the Democrats can't connect with voters and are coming across as elite. WTF? Everything Biden accomplished was for the greater good of all the people...it's always been Dems who got stuff done for the country as a whole. It's that single fact that drives conservatives crazy...

Trump picked up 3M votes over 2016; Kamala lost the 6-8M ± margin Biden had in 2016.

Analyze that...

[JI7]

1. The media never gave much coverage to the positive things

Biden was doing. But they gave unlimited coverage to all the bs from the right wing.

Remember the Hunter Biden bs ?

And they only view white voters as working class and black women are elites.

So Kamala Harris was oppressing white men when she would talk about high rate of black women dying in maternal care.

[Septua]

16. "The media..."

I'm not poking at anyone in particular but I would like a definition of "media"...network? Cable? Which cable?

For what it's worth "network" news (ABC, NBC, CBS) is not a serious source of political news. They will cover one or two events maybe in a 30 minute segment when a progressive cable channel will spend all day on many events.

[CousinIT]

2. What messaging? They have no coherent messaging, plans or fight.

And the ONLY reason we are stuck with SHitler again is because too many Americans are willfully ignorant, fear-driven and goddamned selfish. So we got the government THEY voted for.

[Septua]

14. THAT'S the part they don't want to talk about.

[Joinfortmill]

3. Musk & Starlink

[Silent Type]

4. Should have had our own Project 2025. After we lost, should have developed a Project 2026/2028. So far, nothing.

[LizVerite]

5. Where are Republicans getting their news?

I've read all kinds of explanations regarding why the Democrats have lost approval and support.

I feel that Biden was the whipping boy for everything Americans were unhappy about. He did so much good. My question is whether people even knew about it. Also, Trump was such a horror show between 2016-2020. Why would 77 million Americans vote for him AGAIN?

I remember when the Republicans whipped up so much prejudice against Obama in 2014. He couldn't even campaign for the Democrats that year.

Trump has done much more harm to the country in 3 months than Biden did during 4 years. Why aren't his supporters blaming him? Why aren't more people protesting?

I really think it's about the news or blogs or influencers these people see. Some of the things they write about Biden are unhinged. There is not a scrap of evidence that Biden is a pedophile or evil or whatever other crazy things the MAGA people say. There's a mountain of evidence against Trump.

I'd love to know what you and others believe would appeal to the Democrats or left leaning Independents that would cause them to get out and vote. Also, how to counter voter suppression?

[yellow dahlia]

6. Some Dems have the messaging, right now...

and they know how to deliver it, such as Bernie, AOC, Chris Murphy, Corey Booker, Melanie Stansbury, Jamie Raskin, and a few more.

I think standing up with courage is also a great message. Thank you Senator van Hollen!

The problem becomes when the "strategists" get in there, and try to "shape" something.

I don't think Dems "lost" the last election because of messaging. There were factors such as the masses of disinformed and uninformed. But, IMHO, the numbers don't add up in the end. IMHO, the fix was in.

[yorkster]

8. Great comment.

[yellow dahlia]

9. Thank you.

[WarGamer]

7. It's actually really simple.

Look at the current Democratic Party approval numbers and how many people admit to being Dems.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/democratic-party-hits-new-polling-low-voters-want-fight-trump-harder-rcna196161

Democratic Party hits new polling low, while its voters want to fight Trump harder






It's a conundrum. The base wants to confront Trump but Americans rejected the constant barrage vs Trump in the 2024 election.

The Democratic Party needs a hard rebranding. Needs to go back to the 90's...

[betsuni]

10. The old Elite as an Insult.

In the '60s Democrats were mocked by Republicans for palling around with Hollywood celebrities -- Kennedy's with their French chef and love of the arts -- then shifted to attacking universities.

In 2015 it took off as an insult in a big way from a different direction (which the Right used), that Democrats are corrupt "coastal elites" who ignore the working class (white men in swing states) in favor of wealthy donors and Wall Street and billionaires with their swanky horse'derve and champagne fundraisers, pretend to care about "identity politics" to get votes but are same as Republicans economically (neoliberals). Establishment elites corrupted by money ("status quo" ), the usual insult.

"I think the more accurate answer as to why Trump has won working class support lies in the pain, desperation, and political alienation that millions of working class Americans now experience and the degree to which the Democratic Party has abandoned them for wealthy campaign contributors and the 'beautiful people' [mocking celebrities and the arts resurrected!]." -- From "It's Okay to be Angry About Capitalism"

We're still being told that the Dems are corrupt and won't stand up to billionaires and oligarchs because of money: "But it's not just Musk and Trump, it's the Democratic Party as well. Their billionaires tell candidates, 'Don't stand up to special interests' and too many Democrats are listening to them."

The messaging thing is just whining about Dems not being shouty populists and being capitalists or something.

As if Republicans have great messaging, great candidates who run perfect campaigns, great policies for the working class. Found this quote that's so true (can't read my handwriting who though):

"Dems have been told so long that in order to get rural voters to listen to you, you have to go there, you have to empathize with them, you have to show them you understand their lives. ... And it turned out none of that was true. When Trump came around, he didn't do any of that stuff ... was a conduit for their rage, their anger, and their resentment and that turned out to be what they wanted. It was not about the material condition of their lives."

[RandomNumbers]

11. The "poor messaging" was our nominee being a non-lily-white female.

It SUCKS but that is a huge part of the problem.

Harris would make an infinitely better President than that sick f*ck. But this country is RIFE with misogyny (even among some women).

Biden on his worst day, was more competent than TSF has EVER been.

What the F*CK is wrong with people that they would turn this country over to a nutjob like TSF?

Answer: misogyny, with a dollop of racism for good measure.

Oh and the chants of "genocide Joe" probably didn't help one bit, but it's hard for me to believe any except the most blinded pro-Palestinian would want TSF over a Democrat.

[LizVerite]

12. Racism and misogyny.

Yes, I agree that it cost Harris plenty of votes.

I've read some of the insane things the right wingnuts wrote about Kamala. They had to make it crazier than Trump to appeal to folks.

[electric_blue68]

19. Imho...enough for her to lose the election....

If that hadn't been the case that fact that those who stayed home either bc 1) too lazy to vote, 2) Kamala wasn't "good enough" 🙄 the numerical difference might have been over come.
He lost by 1.5%!
Some mandate! 😑

[mcar]

13. Oh, it's bash Democrats weekend here?

I didn’t get the memo.

[Septua]

17. Nobody is bashing the Dems.

I'm repeating what I'm hearing DEMOCRATIC LEADERS saying on cable news.

[mcar]

18. ...

[TnDem]

15. re: loss

She was a poor candidate to begin with. She had a hard time thinking on the fly...She was also handed a bad hand late in the game