Garcia did not have the fake MS13 on his hand when he met with Senator Hollen

[Bernardo de La Paz]

[surfered]

1. Trump is a pathological liar

[Bernardo de La Paz]

2. ... on an industrial scale. . . . nt

[TnDem]

3. re: yes he did

Having worked as a STG officer many years ago, I can tell you that this individual's tattoos do represent M S 1 and 3....

You have to understand that with Security Threat Groups, the wording is coded. For example, white aryan resistance, or "WAR" often use tattoo numbering like "88"...It would look to normal people like simple numbers, when it means the 8th letter of the alphabet twice, which is "HH" or "Heil Hitler"..Black gangs like Black Gangster Disciples or "BGD" use written terminology like "Better Growth and Development" to hide the BGD meaning. I went through years of this shit and dealt with it almost daily before I retired.

Also, the key is his wife on TikTok showing his hand tattoos covered with hearts...That's because she knew that the first knowledgeable person to look at the symbols would known that they translate to MS13.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. Don't try to muddy the water. Your title is extremely misleading. Even tRump-loving newspaper disputes your theory

The tattoos that exist are there. The leaf, the smiley, the cross, the skull are there. The letters MS13 are not there. tRump is pretending they are there when he shows a photo with them photoshopped on.

That theory of derivation has all the earmarks of back-formation after the fact (see tweet listed below). Your "Security Threat Groups" coding is the explanation of the number 13 in the name, not the tattoo. You make your claim and then not even an attempt at explanation of the symbolism of cannabis leaf, blitzed smiley face, cross, and skull, in that sequence.

I have searched for evidence, with photos, for the "STG" theory but have not found any. What I did find was tons of tattoo photos and no hand tattoos. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=stg+ms-13&t=ffab&iar=images Post your evidence with a link to a credible site constructed before your claim popped up virally.

El Salvador itself disagrees with you and those training you. There is no mention of marijuana, cannabis, or leaf: https://elsalvadorinfo.net/ms-13-gang-tattoos-explained-the-inked-language-of-fear-and-loyalty/


The real MS-13 Tattoo:

🖐️ The Meaning of the MS-13 Knuckle Tattoo

The MS-13 knuckle tattoo typically features the letters "MS" on one hand and "13" on the other. These are often inked across the knuckles, giving an immediate and bold statement of gang affiliation. But what does it all really mean?

Here’s the breakdown:
"MS" stands for Mara Salvatrucha, the gang’s name.
"13" represents the letter "M", the 13th letter of the alphabet, further signifying allegiance to the Mexican Mafia, a prison gang with strong ties to MS-13.

The MS-13 knuckle tattoo is a mark of full-fledged membership and is often earned through committing violent acts. It signals a commitment to the gang’s code and hierarchy.

New York Post (tRump-loving newspaper) ICE source says your theory is bogus:

An ICE source told The Post that a “13” tattoo would have been mandatory for Abrego Garcia if he became part of the notorious gang while living in the US.

{ typical tweet }

Knuckle tattoos on Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

Marijuana leaf = M
Smiley face = S
Cross coverup = 1
Skull coverup = 3

MS-13. pic.twitter.com/AJTodcTUPJ
— captive dreamer (@siegfriedmuell) April 18, 2025

Link to tweet

However, when asked about the speculation online regarding the images inked on Abrego Garcia’s hands, the source said: “I’ve never heard of those resemblances being made.”

[TnDem]

5. re: good job of explaining it yourself

The MS13 tattoo that Garcia has on his hand, is standard MS13 fare in correctional facilities...You have done a shit ton of research with multiple edits and frantic googling and have shown that it is an MS13 tattoo...Congratulations.

The real Aryan Brotherhood tattoo is different than the stylized ways that the gang members get away with it. There are reasons they do this, which I will lightly explain.You simply have never worked around STG members like I have.

In prison and large county detention facilities, the gang members always want to be recognized by fellow members, but not recognized by staff. This is because correctional and patrol officers will start a file on your STG activity. Certain things will trigger a points system. When an inmate reaches a certain point level, they ar then "confirmed" as a STG member, (usually Folk or People nation for Bloods and Crips), but the same applies to hispanic STG members, with MS13 being some of the worst.

Tattoos are one of the most common ways that STG members are identified, but then prison writing and letters are often confiscated which further confirm this. Constant affiliation with other known gang members of the same set will trigger more investigations. And then....When another gang member gets jammed up on his/her own charge, they rat the others out in exchange for a plea. This usually includes hand gang signs to be recognized, tattoos, tips on hidden cell phones and letters and minutes of gang meetings.

Do this job for 20+ years like I did and then holla at me.

[TnDem]

6. Also

Trump's dipshit investigators should not have added the letters to explain the symbols to the public. They should have just shown it and explained it without adding the "MS13" caption above each symbol.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

8. Well, you didn't read my post. Your conclusion is nonsensical and you continue to invoke the Aryan Brotherhood

The back formation derivation and the idea the Spanish-speaking people would use "Smiley" to code for "S" is ludicrous. MS-13 is not Aryan Brotherhood is not Bloods & Crips. Garcia has not been to prison.

Yes we know MS-13 is some of the worst. That factoid does not prove or add weight to your theory.

But keep asserting claims with no evidence. You do not recognize that you were trained in an interpretation and you can't even post a credible link to the training. All you have is personal attacks against a person who uses multiple edits for accuracy and to provide actual links.

[TnDem]

9. re: OK buddy

Yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about..You win.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

10. Fake amity and fake capitulation. . . . .nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. Hyattsville PD said that "at no time" did its officers identify Kilmar Abrego Garcia as a MS-13 member

https://www.dcnewsnow.com/news/local-news/maryland/prince-georges-county/hyattsville-police-department-details-2019-encounter-with-kilmar-abrego-garcia/

HYATTSVILLE, Md. (DC News Now) — In a news release published Monday, the City of Hyattsville Police Department (HPD) said that “at no time” did its officers identify Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia as a member of any gang.

HPD said that on March 28, 2019, a detective saw four men standing outside of a store in the 3300 block of East-West Highway. That detective saw them seem to hide something under a car, so he approached them.

“During the encounter, the detective recognized one of the men as a known member of MS-13. This individual was not Abrego Garcia,” HPD said.

The detective searched the men and found 28 grams of suspected marijuana on Abrego Garcia. HPD seized the suspected marijuana but did not file any criminal charges.

HPD said that during an MS-13-related homicide investigation in Prince George’s County, its detective notified the Prince George’s County Police Department (PGPD) about the four men who were detained and told PGPD that one of those men was a known MS-13 member.

*snip*

to NevilleDog

[RandomNumbers]

7. It should not matter. The relevant parts of the US Constitution apply

to "persons". Not limited to "citizens".

The point has been made elsewhere, that focusing on this person's innocence or guilt of the accusations is a distraction from the much larger issue of the complete absence of due process in this case; and the violation of specific judicial orders.

That said, yes, it is evidence once more that the current ruling cabal of this country is a pack of liars.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

11. That's the key point. Especially since they can't prove in court their key contention: gang member criminal. . . nt