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niyad

(123,359 posts)
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 09:02 AM Sunday

"The bomber's words sound mainstream. Like he won!" President Bill

Clinton on timothy mcveigh, in an hbo documentary "An American Bombing: The Road To April 19".

I came across this in a Guardian article by Andrew Gumbel, titled with those words. I cannot post it here (computer does not let me link, or copy and paste), but it is a deeply disturbing article about the links between mcveigh and the bombing, and the reichwing crazies today, including the current crazies in charge. Amoung the many disturbing things in the article is the assertion that mveigh deliberately targeted the daycare center, as retribution for Waco, and the decison by the government not to investigate or talk about his links to various reichwing groups and ideologies (now actually in our government), but to portray him as a "lone wolf". We are paying heavily for those decisions today.

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"The bomber's words sound mainstream. Like he won!" President Bill (Original Post) niyad Sunday OP
Link here ... eppur_se_muova Sunday #1
Thank you !!! niyad Sunday #3
The Bundy clan got a free pass also. As soon as the Bundy's set up snipers aimed at U.S. agents they should have been Hotler Sunday #2
yes, that whole scenario never made sense to me. niyad Sunday #4
Exactly. alarimer Sunday #5

eppur_se_muova

(38,934 posts)
1. Link here ...
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 09:38 AM
Sunday
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/19/timothy-mcveigh-oklahoma-bombing-far-right-1995

“Some people got away with bloody murder, Fortier being one of them,” Williams, the former FBI agent, said.

The government dropped several promising lines of investigation – into a radical religious compound in eastern Oklahoma, into a neo-Nazi bank robbery gang, some of whose members later accused others of involvement in the bombing, and into Louis Beam, at the time the chief propagandist of the anti-government right, who was reported to have said in 1994 that “some kid” was going to blow up a building in Denver, Dallas, or Oklahoma City in revenge for Waco.

The justice department’s fear was that following one or more of these leads and pointing to a wider conspiracy would weaken the case against McVeigh, when the directive from above was to obtain the death penalty at all costs. “At some point,” Napolitano acknowledged, “a strategic decision was made to focus and get a clean straightforward case against McVeigh, and not pursue every rabbit down its hole.”

And so the wider story – of a heartland America desperate and cynical about its government, of a small but growing minority willing to embrace the notion that one day it might have to take up arms against tyranny in Washington – went largely untold. In 2025, we know at last how important that story was, and where it was destined to lead.

Andrew Gumbel is the author of Oklahoma City: What The Investigation Missed – And Why It Still Matters (William Morrow, 2012)

Hotler

(13,019 posts)
2. The Bundy clan got a free pass also. As soon as the Bundy's set up snipers aimed at U.S. agents they should have been
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 10:21 AM
Sunday

taken out.

 

alarimer

(17,146 posts)
5. Exactly.
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 12:56 PM
Sunday

That rhetoric is everywhere now. Because of social media. The internet was clearly a mistake, at least as it currently is

But his and subsequent administrations dropped the ball. Not sure why. Afraid of stirring a hornet's nest? Or pissing off right-wingers to the point they might have done worse things.

Instead, 9/11 distracted us into more than one pointless war against a foreign enemy, leaving domestic enemies free to become even more virulent.

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