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struggle4progress

(122,850 posts)
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 10:05 AM Sunday

The ADL reversed its support for Trump's student deportations. You should too

Rob Eshman
April 3, 2025

Jonathan Greenblatt, the leader of the Anti-Defamation League, has walked back his organization’s previous support for President Donald Trump’s Trump campaign to detain and deport pro-Palestinian activists — thank God.

“No one should minimize the hateful, violent acts committed against Jewish students,” he wrote in an April 3 essay in eJewishPhilanthropy. “But if we sacrifice our constitutional freedoms in the pursuit of security, we undermine the very foundation of the diverse, pluralistic society we seek to defend.”

Now that the largest and most influential Jewish civil rights organization has reconsidered its unjustifiable initial support for the detentions, it’s time for others who may also have been seduced into believing such draconian measures are “good for the Jews” to speak out against them ...

Greenblatt said his awakening came after the detention of Tufts graduate student Rumeysa Ozturk, whom masked ICE agents swooped down on and disappeared as she left her home in Somerville, Mass. last week. Her crime? The 30-year-old Turkish national co-authored an op-ed in Tufts’ student newspaper calling for the university to divest from Israel ...

https://forward.com/opinion/710017/adl-trump-student-deportations-jonathan-greenblatt/

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The ADL reversed its support for Trump's student deportations. You should too (Original Post) struggle4progress Sunday OP
Good. Ms. Toad Sunday #1
I wonder how long it will take for Trump to attack Jonathan Greenblatt. patphil Sunday #2
Trump aids are off over Easter, so one around to tell him. riversedge Monday #55
They never should have supported it edhopper Sunday #3
I couldn't agree more. MLWR Sunday #5
When did ADL ever not support whole-heartedly the First Amendment and the right of expression? Beastly Boy Sunday #20
Here. Eko Monday #31
See Post #32. Beastly Boy Monday #33
Ha, Eko Monday #37
There isn't a single word in that tweet that addresses freedom of expression, one way or another. Beastly Boy Monday #43
That was their statement in response to dump taking Khalil, personally. Eko Monday #47
It's a letter to the editor, for gawd's sake! Beastly Boy Monday #50
I guess the use of quotations makes it hard for you? Eko Monday #54
It does. When the quotes appear to be placed randomly, in a single block of text. Beastly Boy Monday #56
I have to say its not my problem if you cant follow quotations with a link to the comments with the exact quotations. Eko Monday #57
I have to say that the fact that you are defending them for being wrong when there is definitive evidence for them being Eko Monday #58
The fact is that the ADL supported dumps extrajudical removal Eko Monday #38
Oh please, enough already! Beastly Boy Monday #45
Sure, they just kept their mouths shut for over a month Eko Monday #49
Ok, just keep posting the same thing over again and expect different results. Beastly Boy Monday #51
How you can defend anyone or any org that said for over a month Eko Monday #53
Here's the case of you quoting yourself. Beastly Boy Monday #64
Never supported what? Beastly Boy Sunday #21
Article says edhopper Sunday #22
Article is an opinion piece, as stated. Beastly Boy Sunday #25
I see edhopper Monday #61
This was ADL's response to Mahmoud Khalil's arrest tulipsandroses Monday #30
I see an expression of support for due process of law. Beastly Boy Monday #32
I find it very wrong and very disturbing that they supported the deportation of a permanent resident tulipsandroses Monday #35
While you should definitely care what ADL says about due process, Beastly Boy Monday #36
not saying what they should or shouldn't support cadoman Monday #34
I didn't know they had supported it. But details matter. yardwork Monday #62
Maybe people are waking up to the fact that Trump is using antisemitism to advance his agenda. OrlandoDem2 Sunday #4
Bingo. And being anti-Netanyahu and pro- yorkster Sunday #12
This! RockCreek Sunday #13
Exactly, Orlando. Trump, Prince of Chaos, B.See Monday #46
Finally IbogaProject Sunday #6
I give them no quarter for their 11TH hour conversion maxrandb Sunday #7
Exactly! mountain grammy Sunday #16
I wonder what made you come to your conclusions. Anything factual? Beastly Boy Sunday #18
Here is just ONE example maxrandb Monday #60
One example. An opinion piece. Beastly Boy Monday #65
Fucking Kapos Hassin Bin Sober Sunday #24
Due process enid602 Monday #59
LOL, the ADL is getting cold feet. "Wait a minute, first they came for the socialists . . ." Gaugamela Sunday #8
ADL has a long history of having "cold feet" Beastly Boy Sunday #19
I doubt it was a change of heart ToxMarz Sunday #9
MAGAts love themselves some Israel lonely bird Sunday #10
He hasn't changed his view on deporting people mdbl Sunday #11
The ADL got THAT right, now send Netanyahu to the I.C.C. for trial on his war crime. nt Exp Sunday #14
They've tarnished themselves too much alarimer Sunday #15
Maybe they will rethink Musk doing a nazi salute is not a awkward jesture as well. Eko Sunday #17
"They" rethought it just days later, a long time ago. Beastly Boy Sunday #23
Seriously man the title of the article you posted does not say what you said at all. Eko Sunday #27
Are you appealing to me to be serious? Me? Beastly Boy Sunday #28
It appears they are against nazi jokes and not nazi gestures. Eko Monday #29
so they would brook no truck with a communist party, but be just fine with the Communist Party Celerity Monday #39
Or they would be against jokes about communism being fine Eko Monday #40
exactly, that was my point Celerity Monday #41
My bad then. Eko Monday #42
Yeah, that was a tough one iemanja Monday #44
Guess what, I agree with you. Beastly Boy Monday #48
Slack, or flak? WhiskeyGrinder Monday #63
One doesn't need to reverse one's support for a depraved behavior if one never RockRaven Sunday #26
One thing I feel is lacking fujiyamasan Monday #52

Ms. Toad

(36,711 posts)
1. Good.
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 10:15 AM
Sunday

Now they also need to speak out about the draconian punishments to colleges being carried out in their name.

patphil

(7,716 posts)
2. I wonder how long it will take for Trump to attack Jonathan Greenblatt.
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 10:44 AM
Sunday

In just that short piece, Greenblatt talks about Diversity in society, and then says he awakened (woke up) after a Turkish woman was grabbed of the street by masked men.
If he's not careful, he'll find himself in the same situation Rumeysa Ozturk is in.

edhopper

(35,813 posts)
3. They never should have supported it
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 11:00 AM
Sunday

in the first place.
I have no respect or support for the pro-Hamas activists. They offend me, and they have every right to do so.

MLWR

(288 posts)
5. I couldn't agree more.
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 11:57 AM
Sunday

I don't support Hamas even a little bit, but I do support whole-heartedly the First Amendment and the right of expression. And I believe that should have been the guidance for the ADL in the first place.

Beastly Boy

(12,051 posts)
20. When did ADL ever not support whole-heartedly the First Amendment and the right of expression?
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 10:32 PM
Sunday

Too many posts in this thread make presumptions that are not in evidence. So does the author of the opinion article cited by the OP.

There was not a day in the long history of ADL when the organization did not support or were not guided by these principles.

Eko

(9,099 posts)
37. Ha,
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 12:37 AM
Monday

"I see an expression of support for due process of law. And appreciation of efforts to counter campus antisemitism."
Why? is antisemitism illegal? Did he break a law? Was any of that true? People knew within 2 days and broadcast it everywhere that was not true at all. Its been like 40 days since the ADL issued that statement and they are just now figuring it out? In their post they even mention "Obviously, any deportation action or revocation of a Green Card or visa must be undertaken in alignment with required due process protections." which shows they were well aware of the fact that it had to follow due process. Something that was reported shortly after that had not happened. But they left that statement for like 40 days stand. So there are at least 30 days with proof where they did not stand for the right of freedom of expression. Proof.
Eko.

Beastly Boy

(12,051 posts)
43. There isn't a single word in that tweet that addresses freedom of expression, one way or another.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:17 AM
Monday

Or a single word referring to Khalil personally.

It therefore makes absolutely no sense to reduce the ADL statement to what you think I think they think about Khalil. You just have nothing to grasp at on the subject of Khalil.

The subject of the ADL post was due process of law and antisemitism on campus. Not Khalil, for gawd's sake! And yes, I see an expression of support for due process of law and appreciation of efforts to counter campus antisemitism in their comment. Anything wrong with that?

And guess what, the reference to due process came immediately after Khalil's detention, not 40 days later, which shows their stance towards due process rather clearly, your speculations notwithstanding.

Eko

(9,099 posts)
47. That was their statement in response to dump taking Khalil, personally.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:38 AM
Monday

As an ADL member admits. "As a longtime supporter of the Anti-Defamation League and as a board member of ADL Midwest, I am opposed to the national ADL position and messaging about the imprisonment of Columbia University graduate student Mahmoud Khalil. His arrest, detention and imprisonment by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement is unconstitutional, as he is a legal, permanent resident of the U.S. I write today with my Jewish and American values to say, “Not in my name." ”As for freedom of expression "or conceal their identities in order to harass and intimidate Jewish individuals and institutions with impunity." Wearing a mask is not illegal except in certain circumstance and a campus is not one of them, harassing someone can be but it is usually in a workplace environment, not a public setting. Students protesting and yelling at each other is not harassing someone that is considered illegal.Its important to note that none of this was proven in a court of law. Ah ya the reference to due process was immediate, it was also know within 2 days that due process was not followed and it sill took them almost 40 days to admit that. I do find it amazing that you continue to post things without having researched them before coming to your conclusions.
Eko.

Beastly Boy

(12,051 posts)
50. It's a letter to the editor, for gawd's sake!
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:52 AM
Monday

And I can't make out where the quote ends and your rant begins.

Or does it even matter anymore?

Eko

(9,099 posts)
54. I guess the use of quotations makes it hard for you?
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:11 AM
Monday

As well as the link that shows their exact quotes. My bad, I will try to make it more clear for you next time. Next time Ill color code it for you.
Eko.

Beastly Boy

(12,051 posts)
56. It does. When the quotes appear to be placed randomly, in a single block of text.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:40 AM
Monday

It is not unusual to see you quote yourself and misquote others, to the point it doesn't make much sense.

So I would appreciate color coding. Different colors for accurate quotes, partial quotes, quotes out of context, made up quotes and quotes of yourself. You may even consider saving a special color for accurate quotes in context. Just in case.

Eko

(9,099 posts)
57. I have to say its not my problem if you cant follow quotations with a link to the comments with the exact quotations.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:54 AM
Monday

Posting without the quotations would be a journalistic malpractice but we all know how you feel about following that practice. If I have quoted myself it is in reference to previous things I have said in conversation with you. If you would like to put up and show where I have misquoted others I would be happy to discuss those, although I am usually careful to not do so as at least being an amateur journalist is an important thing to me, something that you seem to hold disdain for.

Eko

(9,099 posts)
58. I have to say that the fact that you are defending them for being wrong when there is definitive evidence for them being
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 03:38 AM
Monday

wrong for an extended time is amusing. A couple of days sure, but over a month? Are they that inept? And if so they should not be any org that is considered to protect civil rights in any way. Inept and ineffective would be the best thing you could say about them if not more.

Eko

(9,099 posts)
38. The fact is that the ADL supported dumps extrajudical removal
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 12:49 AM
Monday

for over a month even after it became well known that it was extrajudicial and said nothing till now. Did it take you a month to figure it out? Or was it quicker than that?

Beastly Boy

(12,051 posts)
45. Oh please, enough already!
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:23 AM
Monday

No, they did not support extrajudicial anything! Not a word of supporting extrajudicial anything. Not now, not a month ago, not ever.

Nothing, zilch, zero, nada. Enough.

Thst's it, I can't argue with what's on your mind and nowhere else. It's absolutely pointless.

Eko

(9,099 posts)
49. Sure, they just kept their mouths shut for over a month
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:45 AM
Monday

about dump having done so with their knowing he did so after having given their props to the dump admin for having done exactly that. That doesn't sound like the fighters for free speech at all does it?
But nothing. Nada, Zilch. You are right about that, nothing, Nada, Zilch from the ADL for over 30 days knowing that dump had extrajudicially removed a resident of the US.
Such fighters for free speech. I hope I never have to rely on them to come to my defense. Its obvious to anyone that they are more focused on and more support getting rid of antisemitism than free speech, for you to argue otherwise denies actual history.

Beastly Boy

(12,051 posts)
51. Ok, just keep posting the same thing over again and expect different results.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:55 AM
Monday

You still got nothing. And I am still looking for something more productive to do.

I am off to watch my grass grow. Enjoy.

Eko

(9,099 posts)
53. How you can defend anyone or any org that said for over a month
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:08 AM
Monday

"Yay dump extrajudicially sent a lawful resident of the US to a gulag" Is beyond me. But I guess that I just have different standards.

Beastly Boy

(12,051 posts)
64. Here's the case of you quoting yourself.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 11:37 AM
Monday

And then you ask me how I can defend your quote.

How can I defend it? I can't. And I am not defending it. Not at all. It has no reflection in facts. It is completely made up.

It is yours, for you to defend.

Beastly Boy

(12,051 posts)
25. Article is an opinion piece, as stated.
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 11:02 PM
Sunday

And this opinion is not supported by facts: its author shows no evidence to back it up.

edhopper

(35,813 posts)
61. I see
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 09:57 AM
Monday

they applauded the Trump Administration for taking action (they should have known better) but did not call for detention and deportation.

tulipsandroses

(7,189 posts)
30. This was ADL's response to Mahmoud Khalil's arrest
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 12:05 AM
Monday

The Anti-Defamation League, an antisemitism watchdog that has criticized Columbia’s response to pro-Palestinian activism, praised the arrest while calling for immigration law to be followed.

“We appreciate the Trump Administration’s broad, bold set of efforts to counter campus antisemitism — and this action further illustrates that resolve by holding alleged perpetrators responsible for their actions,” the group’s statement said. “Obviously, any deportation action or revocation of a Green Card or visa must be undertaken in alignment with required due process protections. We also hope that this action serves as a deterrent to others who might consider breaking the law on college campuses or anywhere.”

The statement immediately elicited criticism from progressive Jews who said the ADL was abandoning its values.

“BRB, checking the history books to find out whether ‘tyrant starts redefining peoples’ citizenship status’ usually ends well for the Jews,” tweeted Leah Goldberg, a co-founder of Indivisible, in an allusion to Hitler’s decision to strip citizenship from Jewish Germans in the 1930s.

https://forward.com/opinion/710017/adl-trump-student-deportations-jonathan-greenblatt/

Beastly Boy

(12,051 posts)
32. I see an expression of support for due process of law.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 12:16 AM
Monday

And appreciation of efforts to counter campus antisemitism. Not a word of support for extrajudicial student deportations.

Anything wrong with that?

tulipsandroses

(7,189 posts)
35. I find it very wrong and very disturbing that they supported the deportation of a permanent resident
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 12:23 AM
Monday

I really don't care that he says he wants due process, advocating for the deportation of a permanent resident expressing free speech is wrong.

Beastly Boy

(12,051 posts)
36. While you should definitely care what ADL says about due process,
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 12:33 AM
Monday

that is not the issue here. The issue is, I have yet to see any evidence of ADL advocating for deportation, for any reason, prior to due process taking place.

So what you find very wrong and very disturbing is not something that is reflected in fact. That's the point.

cadoman

(1,212 posts)
34. not saying what they should or shouldn't support
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 12:23 AM
Monday

But Strafgesetzbuch § 86a would be an example of a necessary curbing of the extreme ends of speech that they seem to be supportive of. They certainly don't condemn it as overreach, at least, and a lot of their resources are foundational to its implementation and upkeep.

yardwork

(66,327 posts)
62. I didn't know they had supported it. But details matter.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 11:08 AM
Monday

People can and should be deported for breaking laws. Lock the facilities staff in a campus building overnight with you, while you trash the building? That broke numerous laws and anyone proven to be involved should face criminal charges and risk deportation. I have no problem with that.

Wrote an op-ed in a student newspaper? That's a constitutionally protected right - not just for citizens, for everybody in the U.S.

I didn't see the ADL's earlier position. I agree with this statement they've made.

OrlandoDem2

(2,753 posts)
4. Maybe people are waking up to the fact that Trump is using antisemitism to advance his agenda.
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 11:03 AM
Sunday

Trump doesn’t give a shit about Jewish students. They shouldn’t fear being on campus but they are now scapegoating others for their political support of innocent Palestinians in the name of fighting antisemitism.

yorkster

(2,970 posts)
12. Bingo. And being anti-Netanyahu and pro-
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 12:40 PM
Sunday

a two-state solution is not antisemitic or anti-Israeli, even if it is anti current Israeli policy as well as Hamas.

B.See

(5,195 posts)
46. Exactly, Orlando. Trump, Prince of Chaos,
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:24 AM
Monday

discord, and division tries to play people for fools and against one another, for his own benefit.

As if a person who once called neo-nazis "very fine people" and who surrounds himself with and embraces the endorsement of fascists like Musk, Miller and other Hitler apologists could ever REALLY give a flying --- about anti-Semitism.

IbogaProject

(4,293 posts)
6. Finally
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 11:59 AM
Sunday

Many of the Tiny Tyrants supporters would love to expel jews they don't like. Probably got the grudge about the substantial support given during the civil rights movement from their parents.

maxrandb

(16,520 posts)
7. I give them no quarter for their 11TH hour conversion
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 12:04 PM
Sunday

What changed?

Is it the shaved heads in a foreign Concentration Camp?

Is it the snatching of children off the streets as they walk to school?

Is Is armed thugs boarding trains and demanding "your papers"?

Is it using tattoos to "identify" scum that need "extermination"?

Are they concerned that he will move on to Jewish students and residents when he is done with "other" minorities?

This organization spent 2024 finding "antisemitism" in EVERY pushback against Netanyahu's indiscriminate bombing and vengeance.

I saw Mr. Greenblatt all over the media in 2024. His appearances could have been classified as in-kind contributions to Donnie Dipshit's campaign.

Put a picture of him next to Stephen Miller, and you will see more similarities than a shared hairline.

Sorry if that appears "defamatory", but the ADL is just as responsible for electing this fascist, as the most hardened, racist, fascist, KKK loving MAGAt.

Hope his "papers" are in order.

Did the ADL finally figure out that you can't be "just a little fascist"?

In for a penny...in for a pound.

Beastly Boy

(12,051 posts)
18. I wonder what made you come to your conclusions. Anything factual?
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 09:23 PM
Sunday

Perhaps you can cite Mr. Greenblatts statements all over the media. What would the "in-kind" that prompted the statements you might find (or not find)? How does Greenblatt compare to Miller (facts please)? What are the similarities you are talking about? In what ways does ADL is just as responsible for electing this fascist, as the most hardened, racist, fascist, KKK loving MAGAt?

Because, you know, with nothing to back up your numerous indignations, it all DOES seem defamatory. And, as you may already be aware, one can't be just a little defamatory.

maxrandb

(16,520 posts)
60. Here is just ONE example
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 09:51 AM
Monday
https://newrepublic.com/article/187695/anti-defamation-league-running-cover-trump

So how, with all that storied history behind it, did ADL respond to Trump’s 2024 Nazi rally? “Political rallies should be about politics and policy, not offensive jokes,” the organization wrote, in a bizarrely anodyne message that did not even name the presidential candidate for whom the rally was held.

This response was so pathetic it actually inspired criticism from ADL’s former leader, Abe Foxman—who is, to put it mildly, not a leftist. Foxman condemned Trump’s MSG rally as dangerous, writing that “the gas chambers in Auschwitz did not begin with bricks, they began with words, ugly, hateful words against Jews and other minorities.” And he went on to extend his criticism to “the American Jewish Committee, ADL, Conference of Presidents, the federations, all these institutions” for refusing to call out Trump by name for his dangerous rhetoric and actions.

Though this would be shameful enough, ADL’s culpability in this moment goes even deeper, for it is not merely staying silent on the threat Trump poses—the organization’s current leader, Jonathan Greenblatt, is actively carrying water for Trump by echoing his lieutenants’ efforts to shut down comparisons between the MAGA movement and the Nazis.

For example, Greenblatt recently called out Mehdi Hasan for saying that if people on the far right don’t want to be called Nazis, they should stop acting like them. Hasan made this reference during the now-viral CNN panel discussion in which far-right commentator Ryan Girdusky told Hasan he hoped his “beeper doesn’t go off,” implying—with an insinuation of violence—that Hasan was a terrorist for supporting Palestinians.

Though Greenblatt rightfully condemned Girdusky’s comment, he went on to immediately both-sides the exchange, saying, “It was also unacceptable for [Hasan] to make a Nazi analogy. Such comparisons are inaccurate, offensive and dishonor the memory of the six million Jews slaughtered by the Third Reich and the millions of others who also were murdered by the Nazi regime. Argue about politics and policy all day long; leave Holocaust comparisons out of it.”

Greenblatt’s statement is eerily similar to one made by Trump’s mass deportation czar, Stephen Miller. During Trump’s rally on Sunday, Miller said, “America is for Americans and Americans only,” a line that precisely parallels a quote Hitler made in 1934 that “Germany is for Germans and Germans only.” When this was pointed out, Miller responded by saying the comparison “trivializ[ed] the Holocaust” and was “a grave insult to my Jewish brothers and sisters who were murdered by Nazis.”

Greenblatt and Miller are making the same basic argument here

Beastly Boy

(12,051 posts)
65. One example. An opinion piece.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 04:15 PM
Monday

Ok, if that's all I have to go by, let's take a look at this one example:

It cites a total of three statements, in the course of a total of two dats: two by Greenblatt on behalf of ADL and one by Abraham Foxman, Greenblatt's predecessor, on his own behalf, the three being the documented extent of ADL-adjacent statements "all over the media".

None of the three cited instances come remotely close to being associated with "as in-kind contributions to Donnie Dipshit's campaign." All three quite literally express opposition to Trump's disregard for due process of law and violations of human rights, albeit not in the language you wish to see. All of them being consistent with the latest statement for which you give them no quarter, making this statement anything remotely resembling any kind of "their 11TH hour conversion". The "change" that so enraged you is in wording, not in the position or purpose.

And if you were to pay any attention to what ADL is all about, the organization quite literally defines its mission as addressing concerns of Jewish students, among other Jews, of bigotry against them. For about 100 years now. Go figure that they are still concerned about it.

And this is the extent your factual evidence for your rant? This is the basis which informs you comparisons of ADL to fascists and KKK?

Whether you realize it or not, this kind of incendiary rhetoric forms the foundation for antisemitism.

enid602

(9,302 posts)
59. Due process
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 05:33 AM
Monday

Has Mr Greenblatt admitted that Israel routinely ‘disappears’ Palestinians without any due process?

Beastly Boy

(12,051 posts)
19. ADL has a long history of having "cold feet"
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 09:36 PM
Sunday

Even the most cursory look at their history would show you that this has been their stance all along.

lonely bird

(2,266 posts)
10. MAGAts love themselves some Israel
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 12:30 PM
Sunday

They just hate Jews.

To borrow the title of Dara Horn’s book: People Love Dead Jews.

mdbl

(6,288 posts)
11. He hasn't changed his view on deporting people
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 12:32 PM
Sunday

He's just protesting the lack of due process and transparency.

 

alarimer

(17,146 posts)
15. They've tarnished themselves too much
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 01:01 PM
Sunday

As has anyone who has supported Trump, even tepidly, in this matter.

Eko

(9,099 posts)
17. Maybe they will rethink Musk doing a nazi salute is not a awkward jesture as well.
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 07:49 PM
Sunday

"It seems that @elonmusk
made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute, but again, we appreciate that people are on edge."
Im not holding my breath though.

Beastly Boy

(12,051 posts)
23. "They" rethought it just days later, a long time ago.
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 10:40 PM
Sunday
ADL condemns Musk's Nazi "jokes" after salute controversy

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) condemned Elon Musk for making a series of Nazi-related jokes on X, calling it "inappropriate and offensive to make light" of the "singularly evil" Holocaust.

Why it matters: Just days earlier, the ADL had defended Musk over an awkward hand gesture he made during an inauguration event that drew comparisons to a Nazi salute — saying "all sides should give one another a bit of grace."
https://www.axios.com/2025/01/23/elon-musk-nazi-joke-adl

Eko

(9,099 posts)
27. Seriously man the title of the article you posted does not say what you said at all.
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 11:33 PM
Sunday

As well as the article.
ADL condemns Musk's Nazi "jokes" after salute controversy
They condemned his jokes, not the salute. So not what you are saying at all.

Beastly Boy

(12,051 posts)
28. Are you appealing to me to be serious? Me?
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 11:52 PM
Sunday

They literally condemned Musk for his nazi jokes, but they didn't literally condemn him for his nazi salute... Obviously ADL is all in favor of his nazi salute because... the title of the article.

I am sorry, I am not wasting any more time on this childish nonsense.

Celerity

(49,476 posts)
39. so they would brook no truck with a communist party, but be just fine with the Communist Party
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:02 AM
Monday

Eko

(9,099 posts)
40. Or they would be against jokes about communism being fine
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:06 AM
Monday

But not against communist hand symbols that evoke dread and historical deaths.

iemanja

(55,862 posts)
44. Yeah, that was a tough one
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:22 AM
Monday

Condemning Nazis is so difficult it took a few days to think over.

Beastly Boy

(12,051 posts)
48. Guess what, I agree with you.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:43 AM
Monday

A shocker, isn't it?

Hell yeah, he took way too long to make up his mind on the Nazi being a Nazi, Worse, he went public with his indecision. And he got a lot of slack from Jews like myself for it, deservedly so.

This does not, by any means, signify his support for the Nazi in question, or negates his condemnation of the Nazi days later, nor does it make sense to pretend he has yet to rethink what he already rethought long ago.

RockRaven

(17,165 posts)
26. One doesn't need to reverse one's support for a depraved behavior if one never
Sun Apr 20, 2025, 11:19 PM
Sunday

supported it in the first place. Many, many people occupy such a position. It may be a surprise to some, but lots of people can make rational and prudent moral and civil decisions by themselves, and don't need others to tell them what to do or think to be in the right. Crazy, huh?

fujiyamasan

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52. One thing I feel is lacking
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:07 AM
Monday

In this discussion over immigration and deportation is nuance, especially regarding a student visa or TPS vs. a green card. A student visa and TPS are temporary. You come here to study (or given temporary status) and that’s the purpose of it. You’re not a PERMANENT resident, which is what green card is. I find his case more disturbing than even Garcias, since there’s no crime, no allegation of a crime, and based on his status.

Historically it takes a high bar to deport someone with a green card. There have been rare exceptions but for the most part green card holders have all the same rights as citizens aside from voting and security clearances.

I may not agree with anything Khalil is saying, but his speech is not a ground for deportation. Even if he committed a crime, that should potentially bar him from citizenship, but a deportation would have to be the result of a heinous crime. We’re seeing an administration simply lowering the bar to deport anyone they can, partly due to the quotas they have themselves. It’s a really slippery slope and it’s a shame Garcia is taking all the spotlight, because the situation is much worse than it appears. Denaturalization and stripping people of their citizenship is next.

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