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While the Republic Burns
By Tony Pentimalli
Bill Maher used to be a court jester with teetha truth-teller in a clowns costume. But lately, hes become something else entirely: a fading contrarian who mistakes cruelty for comedy and self-satisfaction for insight. This transformation has been happening for some timenot merely weeks. But last week, he laid down yet another plank in a rickety bridge between liberalism and authoritarianisman ugly hybrid where fascism wears the mask of centrism and cynicism becomes a stand-in for depth.
It began with Mahers embarrassing book report on his recent dinner with Donald Trump. Rather than hold a man accountable for inciting insurrection, gutting environmental and labor protections, or launching mass deportation raids, Maher chose to play the bemused guestmore interested in menu details than moral stakes. He didnt push back. He didnt challenge. He didnt even blink.
And then, as if to compensate for his own cowardice, Maher followed it up by doing what he now does best: punching down. This time, his target was an entire generation.
In Fridays New Rules segment, Maher took aim at Gen Z with a tirade so smug, so divorced from reality, it bordered on parody. He accused them of being too soft, too lazy, too mentally ill, too fragile for real worka rant that sounded less like satire and more like a Fox News audition tape. He mocked their emotional support animals, their anxiety, their fashion, their aversion to factory jobsas if they were the ones who hollowed out the middle class and shipped industry overseas.
He quipped that Gen Z cant handle a gig at the Cheesecake Factory, ignoring that many of them are working multiple jobs just to make rent in cities where boomers bought homes for pennies. He ridiculed them for not wanting to shower after imaginary shifts in steel mills, while ignoring the truth: that blue-collar jobs have been decimated not by Gen Zs attitude, but by deregulation, union-busting, and corporate greed.
And when he derided their mental healthscoffing at the idea that anxiety, depression, or trauma might make them unfit for war or factory lineshe wasnt just mocking Gen Z. He was mocking the reality of living in a world his generation broke.
To Maher, needing mental health care is a punchline. To Gen Z, its a lifeline. What he derides as weakness is actually their refusal to repeat the silent suffering of generations past. They are not the first to be overwhelmedthey are just the first to name it out loud.
Lets not pretend this is a generation allergic to work. They are drowning in student debt$1.7 trillion and climbing. They face a federal minimum wage that hasnt budged since 2009. Theyre priced out of housing markets, buried by healthcare costs, and forced into gig work with no benefits, no security, and no future. And when they ask whywhen they organize, protest, and demand something betterMaher sneers.
He even mocked their reluctance to be drafted, calling them soft. But heres the truth: Gen Z is not afraid of hard things. Theyre afraid of being sent to die in wars started by men like Trump and normalized by men like Maher. Wars for oil. Wars for ego. Wars for empire.
And when Maher mocked their desire to be influencersscoffing that 57% would rather post videos than punch clockshe conveniently forgot that hes one of them. Hes built an entire career around influencing public opinion. He doesnt weld steel or stock shelves. He performs. Talks. Gestures. Tapes. He is, in every sense, an influencerjust one with fewer filters and a lot more contempt.
But even here, he misses the point. For many Gen Z creators, influencing is one of the few economic ladders left. It's not about narcissismits about survival. When the only industries hiring are content farms, student loan servicers, and military recruiters, what exactly are they supposed to do? Pretend its 1955 and get a factory job that no longer exists?
Mahers entire monologue was built on a lie. The Trump administration is not bringing back factory jobs. The tariffs arent working. The plants arent opening. The jobs arent returning. What we are seeing instead is chaosmarkets in freefall, federal programs gutted, air traffic controllers fired by Elon Musks Department of Government Efficiency, and social services slashed in the name of tough love.
The only factories Trump is building are political: mass production centers for cruelty, authoritarianism, and oligarchy. And while Maher winks at the nostalgia of real men smoking on skyscrapers, he ignores whats actually happening at street level.
Because the real difference isnt ageits urgency.
Gen Z is marching while Maher is mocking. They are organizing while hes editorializing. They are demanding a future while he smirks from his studio, lobbing lazy insults from a chair more expensive than their monthly rent.
When historians look back on this era, Maher wont be remembered as the man who challenged power. Hell be remembered as the man who normalized itwho dined with tyrants and made jokes about the kids fighting to undo their damage. Hell be remembered not for standing up, but for sitting downlaughing while the empire cracked.
Maher says Gen Z cant do hard jobs. I say theyve inherited the hardest job of all: surviving the collapse of everything Mahers generation failed to fix.
And still, they rise.
*Tony Pentimalli is a political analyst and commentator fighting for democracy, economic justice, and social equity. Follow him for sharp analysis and hard-hitting critiques on Facebook and BlueSky
@tonywriteshere.bsky.social

pandr32
(12,873 posts)I'm sure others feel the same.
Ahh well- has many asshats to pick his friends and guests from. I doubt he cares about those viewers he loses.
50 Shades Of Blue
(11,118 posts)hlthe2b
(109,267 posts)Although many of us could take a good "stab" at it.
Bluetus
(969 posts)Who was that guy from SNL that kept showing up doing RW stand-up and bits -- not funny, just snide? I can't remember his name, as if anybody else could.
Anyway, that's apparently the space Maher is trying to take for his own. I guess it is too crowded in the comedy lane where jokes are funny or at least thoughtful. Much easier just to talk as if having some superior insights that anybody would want to listen to.
It is sad to watch him circle the drain. At one time, he had something to offer. He was never very funny, but at least he took some smart shots at hypocrisy. But now he just seems angry. Oh well, the world doesn't owe him a living in comedy. He can sell insurance or something.
MurrayDelph
(5,536 posts)who says that Victoria Jackson used to be nice but went crazy. Bill Maher, on the other hand, he describes as a "horrible human being."
Bluetus
(969 posts)Don1
(1,666 posts)I had the same exact thought. There's something terribly awful about conservative comedy because, yes, it's "snide"--your word. As Maher moves rightward, his comedy gets worse. It becomes more about punching down, more ignorant, more cruel than actual reality-based jokes, far less The-Emperor-Has-No-Clothes punchlines and just more hippie punches for credibility in order to market his show to an imagined center.
Bluetus
(969 posts)Snark and irony used in good measure can be at least a little entertaining. But when that's all ya got, it gets tiresome after about 2 minutes, particularly when the snark is based on one's disdain for the rest of humanity.
I agree with your comments about Maher. His descent into punching down really has no comedic action. It is just mean and angry. I enjoy a little bit of Lewis Black from time to time because, while his schtick is "angry guy", it is not punching down. He is mainly punching at hypocrisy, and one always has the feeling that the angry thing is an act he has to psych himself up for, and he's probably a pretty fun guy to hang with when he's not doing his act. He's more like a Don Quixote character, sparring at windmills.
I can't imagine a more unpleasant situation than having dinner with Trump and Maher at Mar-a-lardo
orleans
(35,925 posts)Bluetus
(969 posts)Other than the fact that he is an irrelevant asshole who was never funny even before heading to the sewer.
AStern
(214 posts)No one in comedy circles talks about him. I had to google him to see what he was up to these days... not much if anything. LOL.
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Littlered
(222 posts)Then again, I do seem to be out of step these days.
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Littlered
(222 posts)AStern
(214 posts)How quaint. If your idea of seeing clearly is nodding along while Maher takes lazy potshots at people struggling to survive a rigged system, congratsyoure not old school, youre just comfortably out of touch. And if youre feeling persona non grata, maybe its because mocking mental health, minimizing systemic collapse, and cozying up to fascists doesnt exactly scream moral clarity. It screams entitlement dressed up as insight.
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AStern
(214 posts)But if calling out Maher for platforming power, mocking mental health, and swinging down instead of up feels like a personal attack, maybe the discomfort says more than you want it to.
This isnt about being upset. Its about recognizing when someone trades insight for smugness and hides behind the label of comedian to avoid accountability. Offending people isnt the goal of political comedychallenging power is. If youre just punching the vulnerable for laughs, youre not edgy. Youre lazy.
And bringing up Michael Moore is just a red herring. One held a mirror to the system. The others polishing it over dinner.
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AStern
(214 posts)You mean the guy who called vaccine mandates Orwellian, platformed Milo, applauded Bannon, mocked climate and trans activists, dined with Trump, and cozied up to David Zaslav while mocking writers and actors during a strike? That guy?
Maher doesnt challenge powerhe flatters it. Whether its Elon, Trump-adjacent grifters, or studio execs gutting the arts, hes right there with a smirk and a punchline aimed anywhere but up.
And yes, many of us watched him. Long enough to clock the shift from sharp satire to lazy contrarianism. When he dismissed Timothy Snydera literal scholar of authoritarianismfor being too alarmist while Trump dismantled democratic norms, that wasnt edgy. That was willful ignorance masquerading as centrism.
Criticism isnt hate. Its clarity. If someone builds a platform by sneering at the vulnerable and giving power a pass, calling it out isnt divisiveits honest. If your version of the big tent requires silence in the face of that, maybe the problem isnt the criticsits the tent.
SocialDemocrat61
(4,267 posts)Never has been. Hes always been an independent.
SarcasticSatyr
(1,335 posts)He used to say the only policy he really cared about was the legalization of pot.
SocialDemocrat61
(4,267 posts)not political party. There he has always said that he's an independent.
reACTIONary
(6,390 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,426 posts)Maher is spoiled. His true colors have been revealed.
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Avalon Sparks
(2,700 posts)Eom
Paladin
(30,239 posts)I'm sure he'd like to hear how easy his generation had it. Unfortunately, he came back from the war in Southeast Asia, got deeply into drugs, and ended up blowing his own brains out, without leaving so much as a goodbye note to his parents or the rest of the family.
Might be a good idea to leave the generation-bashing to pieces of shit like Maher. He gets paid a lot more than you do for spreading such unpleasant sentiments.
Hekate
(97,344 posts)KT2000
(21,373 posts)to stop a war, fight for civil rights, fight for women's rights, women's healthcare, and clean up the environment. The younger generations are enjoying the benefits of those efforts, not realizing how hard fought they were. If we did not go to Viet Nam, we prayed for our brothers, cousins, classmates, friends, and fathers who were there. Not all came home, and some were a mess when they did come home.
We knew we could get clubbed and maced, but we went to the streets anyway. I had a cousin there and a brother-in-law there and my brother was next.
Obviously I take issue with your statement. I also realize the RW is trying to roll back the advancements made from that consciousness raising time.
Justice matters.
(8,304 posts)By too many.
It seems.
AStern
(214 posts)most likely mocking those 4 dead students.
KT2000
(21,373 posts)to attend that demonstration in Seattle. It turned out to be the worst with busloads of cops removing their names and badges, using clubs and mace. It was a turning point, such shame.
misanthrope
(8,683 posts)Not everywhere. It depended on the dominant culture in the areas where they lived. You didn't find the large-scale anti-war protests in the Deep South to same extent as you did in the northeast, midwest and West Coast.
At this point, it would also be difficult to separate those who had a deep commitment to the cause from those who were simply caught up in trendy behavior, as so many youngsters of numerous generations are prone to do. The evidence from the following years would show that a lot of the dedication to the counter-cultural values that were so prominent then were quickly cast aside just a decade later.
KT2000
(21,373 posts)Through my life I have learned that most people do not rise up, rock the boat, or risk much discomfort for themselves. True, most people are observers of events around them, but the boomers did step up! People saw injustice and tried to fix it. There was an avenue to do that in the boomer generation.
Learning that women could die from illegal abortions brought many women to that cause. Planned Parenthood is still providing medical care to women. Knowing that most of the young men around us could be drafted into the Viet Nam war brought a lot of people to that cause. The draft was ended. We are still dealing with the fallout from that war - PTSD, homeless vets, cuts to medica care for veterans. Civil rights made progress as organizations sprang up that could take to court violations of civil rights laws. Many of those organizations are still operating. Equal pay is still making progress but not there yet. Many environmental groups got their start in the 70s and many are still working on those issues to this day.
If you lived near a military base or defense manufacturer during the Cold War, the prospect of nuclear war was a real threat - daily. For that reason, some committed themselves to the peace movement.
It was not uncommon for churches to be involved in social justice issues as well.
As for the South, most of the critical events of the civil rights actions took place in the deep South.
misanthrope
(8,683 posts)but they weren't led by the same demographic that comprised the majority of anti-war protests in the late 1960s.
KT2000
(21,373 posts)that were addressed by the boomers. My crossover was anti-war and civil rights. I know others had other crossovers - we were even friends. Lots of issues and lots of participation. There was momentum.
dflprincess
(28,774 posts)KT2000
(21,373 posts)A friend asked some younger people why they didn't go to the local demonstration and they said they never heard about it. I know they care about some of the issues but they are not engaged and it seems the algorithms are not informing them.
BannonsLiver
(19,054 posts)And then they became adults:
Mountain Mule
(1,115 posts)And I have a one word reply:
Vietnam
My Dad was career military and when I was in high school, he served two tours of duty there. I was terrified each time. I would be glued to the nightly news every single evening trying to understand what was going on and wondering if he was alive or dead. Easy.
Quite a few young men in my high school class were drafted to go fight in that pointless horrible war. Easy.
Some of those boys never came home. Easy.
Others came home with PTSD. My Dad was one of them. He had so many bad dreams and his screams would wake me up in the middle of the night. Meanwhile the VA pretended that PTSD didn't exist. Oh, so very EASY.
When I hit college I joined the anti war protests and then Kent State happened. Four young college students who had no weapons were killed by the national guard. When this was reported, I couldn't stop crying. Tears came to me so EASY back.then.
You know, I feel so bad for Gen Z. We have left them a wrecked planet and now a wrecked democracy. They will not have an easy.time of it. No, not at all. So, yet again, I have joined another protest movement. This is not at all easy for me because my knees are wrecked and that sometimes makes it hard to walk. But I care deeply for my country and for ALL of us - no matter what age. It would be so easy to tell myself that I have done enough for one lifetime and just stay home but then I always remember the words of my sig line and back out this old war horse goes again.
Whatever generation you are, I wish you well.
Hekate
(97,344 posts)We lucky lazy Boomers have watched every damn thing we and liberals before us ever achieved be undone by malicious one percenters.
Easy peasy
Mountain Mule
(1,115 posts)

Blue Dotty
(113 posts)Hekate
(97,344 posts)My generation watched our high school and college friends get marched off to a war so deadly they called it a meat grinder the best singer in my high school and a friends brother whod just gotten a Masters degree, both dead. Drafted and dead, like 50,000 others.
And we, those lucky lazy Boomers, took to the streets, got involved in politics, and stayed aware. The top 1% remains in power as it always has, and 99% of us are not in the top 1%.
But people like John Kerry returned and as a young man told the Senators: How do you tell the mother of the last one to die that her son died for a mistake? (Paraphrased)
So who do you think populates DU to this day? None of us are in the highest levels of power, but most of us started our activism and volunteerism when we were young.
Alas, how lazy we are. I guess I and my cohort should just give up.
Maeve
(43,215 posts)They were kids during WWII and came of age into a booming economy. My folks walked into plentiful jobs, affordable homes in nice suburbs, were able to travel and retire early. Dad never worried about the draft like my brother did; he was married before Korea got hot. The "America was great" past most of the MAGAts are longing for is what my Silent Gen parents had. They also had the early rock and roll (lots of the performers associated with the Boomer years were actually Silent Gen)
To be fair, it wasn't so great if you were a POC or poor, but the middle class boomed during that time for a large portion of the population.
Cirsium
(2,359 posts)The vast majority of seniors - so-called "boomers" and can we ever put that idiotic word to pasture? - are dependent upon Social Security. Do you have any comprehension as to what that means?
It was "Boomers" who fought for Civil Rights, for reproductive rights, for the environment. "Boomers" cared for not only their parents, but for their children and now their grandchildren at unprecedented rates. They lived through a massive loss of well paying jobs, the loss of access to healthcare, the destruction of neighborhoods ad the environment. They weren't the ones in charge, the "greatest generation" was.
Yes, most of the people who have accumulated wealth are older. That has always been true. But just because most wealthy people are older that does not mean most older people are wealthy. As for older people trending conservative, that has always been true as well. Do you know why? Because wealthy white people trend Republican, at any age, and wealthy white people live longer than the rest of the population. All of my friends were left wingers and many of them are dead now.
Pitting one generation against another is at best a distraction, at worst reactionary and destructive. You are wrong about "Boomers" the same way Maher is wrong about "Gen Z"
Get yourself to a rally with AOC and Sanders and look around. It is not about age, and it certainly is not about these absurd "generation" labels manufactured by the mass media.
LetMyPeopleVote
(162,024 posts)Link to tweet

Martin Eden
(14,175 posts)He normalized the person on the basis of Donald not shouting insults or threats at Maher when Bill the guest expressed disagreement.
Why did Trump (perhaps at the suggestion of Kid Rock) invite Bill Maher to dinner after the comedian had belittled and insulted Donald in so many ways over the last ten years?
Because Don the Con saw an opportunity to use Maher as a political tool -- and Bill Maher (who's a bit of a narcissist himself) is too dumb to realize he was played for a USEFUL IDIOT.
I started getting fed up with Maher when he platformed vile propgandists like Ann Coulter and Steve Bannon, who are both smarter than him. Maher would ask Bannon what he thought was a "gotcha" question, then was totally unprepared to counter Bannon's gish gallop of bullshit. Maher simply replied OK then moved onto the next question, only to demonstrate once again he is incapable of dealing with the likes of Steve Bannon.
Elon Musk was his first guest not long after Musk turned Twitter in the X sewer of vile racism and unchecked disinformation. Maher was a total fanboy, asking him nothing but softball questions.
The VERY last straw for me was his "report" on his dinner with Donald, which he agreed to under the pretext that we have to be able to talk and have a dialogue among people who disagree (as if Trump can be persusded to change what he's doing).
At the end of his "report" Maher casually dismissed Cory Booker's marathon Senate speech, then pretty much insulted everyone who would criticize the dinner with Trump.
Bill Maher's humor has really worn thin, and any political "insight" he may have once had is far outweighed by the blinders he has put on himself and his very limited intellect.
FirstLight
(14,987 posts)Seriously, I never understood what anyone liked in him. He's a schmuck.
meadowlander
(4,893 posts)Omnipresent
(6,852 posts)Werent making a real difference.
He claimed they should have been voting an absentee ballot to their home state.
I guess he was upset, that they hadnt thought through on their votes making an impact, where it was needed the most to help democrats.
Silent Type
(9,045 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(4,267 posts)Silent Type
(9,045 posts)senseandsensibility
(21,737 posts)especially of trump's grunt. We are way past the point of worrying about or trying to influence his mannerisms as a way of improving the situation. If he was suddenly influenced by Maher to be "nicer" (hint: he won't be) who cares? It's actions that count.
SocialDemocrat61
(4,267 posts)Prairie Gates
(4,914 posts)AnotherMother4Peace
(4,729 posts)Hillary Clinton for wearing pantsuits and "looking matronly", while she was running for President.
That's when I realized he was a misogynistic, narcissistic piece of shit. He truly thinks he's God's gift to women.
Johnny2X2X
(22,775 posts)And his generation, the Boomers, destroyed the country and each generation since has had it harder.
It's pure fantasy to think Millenials and Gen Z have it easy and aren't tough. They have it harder than my Generation, Gen X, by a long shot.
Gen Z will never know affordable housing and health care. Tehy'll never live in a world where every single mistake they've ever made is broadcast and permanetly recorded on social media. They don't know a world where if you didn't want to or couldn't attend college, there were good paying factory jobs with great health benefits and pensions.
I see it among my peers and friends as Gen Xers. These people act like they were all super serious scholars who walked the straight and narrow through high school and college. They must have went to different schools than I did, because in the 90s when I was in college, people kind of skated through for the most part.
Young people today cannot afford to skate through anything. They drink less, they do less drugs, they have less sex, and they are generally more anxious and less happy. They know that they must work hard to graduate or they don't have any chance at all to maintain the standard of living their parents did.
Bill Maher is an out of touch fool.
zanana1
(6,365 posts)He's always acted superior, as if we should all be in awe about every word that comes out of his mouth.
UpInArms
(52,653 posts)I have abhorred him for at least 20 years now his affection for Ann coulter made me nauseous
yardwork
(66,326 posts)Efilroft Sul
(3,973 posts)
Carlitos Brigante
(26,843 posts)
Marie Marie
(10,156 posts)spooky3
(37,376 posts)dem4decades
(12,677 posts)Maher is now a joke, everyone in Hollywood knows it, including him, and every guest should remind him.
maxsolomon
(36,391 posts)Or in the interview portion. Love to hear that debate.
dchill
(42,108 posts)...a big enough shit.
Martin68
(25,537 posts)Dr. T
(197 posts)lefty but his tone took a right turn ten to fifteen years ago. He now impresses me as the senile old man sitting on his front porch with a broom, just waiting for some kid to step on his lawn.
Martin68
(25,537 posts)invited to the Bush White House and he turned far right. So glad to see him kick the bucket.
OMGWTF
(4,681 posts)His time is over.
nilram
(3,158 posts)Mr. Evil
(3,264 posts)old man yelling 'get off my lawn' of old men yelling at clouds.
Orrex
(65,055 posts)It baffles me that anyone can claim to be surprised.
LovelyStuff
(27 posts)Maher won't be remembered at all.
AStern
(214 posts)lol.
SunSeeker
(55,525 posts)Avalon Sparks
(2,700 posts)Thanks for posting, I want to scream this from the rooftops.
NoMoreRepugs
(11,231 posts)marble falls
(64,870 posts)... warfare whether by Maher or Tony Pentimalli.
AStern
(214 posts)I think Pentimallis choice of words was unfortunateespecially since his own parents are likely boomers. But that doesnt excuse Mahers use of broad, dismissive strokes to mock people already struggling under a broken system. We can call that out without falling into the trap of generational blame.
Truly appreciate your voice.
marble falls
(64,870 posts)... took me eight years to almost get my BA, couldn't afford a house until my 40s and it was no palace. All the stuff I got kicked on me, I made sure did not happen to my kids. And I won't do it to yours, either.
kellytore
(227 posts)a few years back. I wish I could get a refund. He is a pretentious POS,
ShazzieB
(20,347 posts)He used to be funny, like this piece says. i enjoyed Religulous in 2008 (even though I'm not an atheist), but that was literally the last time I watched anything he did. Since then, I mainly hear about him from posts on DU and a few other places, and it's never been positive.
This attack on the zoomers on sounds like a new low even for him, though. Yeesh. They definitely don't deserve that.
Demobrat
(10,135 posts)anti-woman rant 20 years ago. Same deal , different punchline. Guess I havent missed much.
milestogo
(20,351 posts)I was done with him a long time ago.
Demobrat
(10,135 posts)Declined.
milestogo
(20,351 posts)So better not to go at all.
AkFemDem
(2,497 posts)He hasn't changed, his mask hasn't slipped...lol, whaaaat? Clearly the author hasn't been paying attention for the last, oh I don't know, 22 years?
He's a libertarian and a contrarian, and he makes his $ by saying sarcastic, smarmy things that make people mad. Stop giving him any importance or power and ignore him.
maxsolomon
(36,391 posts)He's supposed to be so much more Progressive than he is.
AkFemDem
(2,497 posts)He literally claimed his fame from a show called "Politically Incorrect" that he began during Clinton's presidency- in other words, back when being a democrat was politically correct. He'd heckle and shame the right, but also the left. The first time he ever infuriated me was when he went on a cocky, gross tirade against women breastfeeding in public. My almost 30 year old was a breastfeeding infant at the time. I was so young and naive I wrote him an angry letter lol, and thought I'd shame him. That was also the LAST time he infuriated me though, because I came to realize quickly thats just what he does on purpose- he tries to piss half his audience off with any given tirade and make the other half laugh and point fingers. Whatever half thats gonna be, is anyones guess. He for sure has never claimed to be a progressive or friend of democrats though.
maxsolomon
(36,391 posts)What I mean is, that like the NYT, DU really wants Maher to be more liberal, more progressive than he is. It's like our collective feelings are hurt by serial disappointments.
Paladin
(30,239 posts)For clear evidence of this, look no further than the repeated defenses of his actions, offered up right here at DU. "He's a libertarian and a contrarian" doesn't begin to cover his savage trashing of Democrats, over the years.
lonely bird
(2,266 posts)Read: spoiled 4 year old.
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It is remarkable how much space Maher takes up in the discourse. But I think that says less about obsession and more about frustration with someone who once challenged power and now seems more interested in cozying up to it. Criticism isnt obsessionits just what happens when someone still claims relevance but stops earning it.
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SleeplessinSoCal
(10,043 posts)But once Biden won, Maher's insufferable ego turned me off completely. Haven't watched since 2021.
misanthrope
(8,683 posts)Something about that experience broke Maher's brain.
SleeplessinSoCal
(10,043 posts)
Xavier Breath
(5,536 posts)He was appointment tv for me every Friday night that a new episode aired. I didn't agree with him on every point, certainly, but he seemed to get the big picture. His response to covid was, at first, mostly whining about not being in the studio. But that soon led to vax deniers and quacks taking up his guest chairs.
Karasu
(1,000 posts)Well before Maher. He's just one of the best living examples of it.
maxsolomon
(36,391 posts)Is "Centrist" Chuck Schumer a Fascist? What about Fetterman? Fascist? Newsom?
Keep moving that "Fascist" line leftwards and
1. you'll rob the word of meaning
2. you won't have enough people left for a party that can win anything. we're just about there now.
Karasu
(1,000 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 22, 2025, 06:38 PM - Edit history (5)
are fascists. I have no interest in moving the definition leftward, so I'm not sure why you were making that assumption. In fact, my own perspective is actually the inverse of that--that as the GOP has moved further to the right, centrism has done the same, to the point that a lot of what would have been considered right-wing extremism in the '90s is sadly seen as respectable/mainstream/"moderate" discourse now. The entire Overton window in the US is insanely far to the right on a global scale anyhow. That said, I don't see it as much of a problem on the left, since I really don't believe most Dems are actively enabling this shitshow (for instance, while I disagreed with Schumer's vote in favor of Adam Schiff's argument on that particular matter, I nonetheless understood his logic).
I suppose the real issue for me is that I've simply never seen Maher as some strong voice of the left, or even a "centrist"--or much of anything, really. I think he's an opportunist above all else, and is simply daring to show as much now by pushing all these modern conservative (i.e. fascist) talking points now that he feels like he no longer has anything to lose.
LittleGirl
(8,663 posts)For at least 2 years and last Friday I was shouting at him during his monologue.
He didnt know the whole story of Governor Whitmer hiding her face in the Oval Office! F* Maher for that. Dont criticize until you know the whole story. I wont be hate watching anymore.
Clouds Passing
(4,454 posts)drmeow
(5,555 posts)"Politically Incorrect" thing - he came across as a classic pseudo-libertarian "liberty for me but not for thee" type to me. I'd watch segments of his HBO show posted here but I don't anymore. I see him as a typical "privileged white male who thinks his often miss- or insufficiently informed opinion is the only truth." Like many of his style of comedian, he is often a bully in the guise of humor. He's always punched down - but in his hubris and egomania he's getting worse about it.
Marie Marie
(10,156 posts)what a little pissant he was and still is. He also said that, after appearing on one of his shows, it seemed like he did the show more for the after party where he could get high and hang out with models. Without his current fame and money, Maher would just be another insufferable incel who couldn't get laid by anyone - much less the models and playmates he so desperately pursues.
-misanthroptimist
(1,308 posts)He pretends to an iconoclasm that he doesn't -and can't- possess.
Hassler
(4,265 posts)Was to play the cynic busting other people's balloons. Then, one dinner with shitler, and sounds like a fawning Tiger Beat reader
Faux pas
(15,635 posts)been an ASSHOLE and a misogynist. I've loathed him since politically incorrect where he showed off both qualities.
Johonny
(23,425 posts)So he can appear intellectual.
Dude that works once a week and has writers to write all his jokes, complains new generation is soft. Because when I think hard work and cruelijg schedule, I think Bill Maher. LOL.
betsuni
(27,803 posts)the middle class and shipping jobs overseas -- why didn't people who were young then stop all the bad things? They are so old! But it's not about age, it's about urgency. What are "comedians," some sort of influencer? EMOTIONAL SUPPORT ANIMALS ARE NOT FUNNY. Punching up, punching down, where am I?
"laid down yet another plank in a rickety bridge between liberalism and authoritarianism" -- ah, liberals are the real authoritarians.
I, Tony, know nothing and am not shy about telling you!
I get that the tone of the piece might not have landed for you, but I think you're missing the core argument. Tony wasnt blaming individuals for systemic collapse or saying boomers alone are at faulthe was criticizing how Maher wields his platform to ridicule people who are already struggling under systems that predate them. Its less about generational warfare and more about punching down on people trying to survive what's been handed to them.
Also, the critique of Maher calling Gen Z weak wasnt about banning comedyit was about recognizing when a joke reinforces harmful narratives instead of challenging power. The rickety bridge line wasnt saying liberals are authoritarians, but pointing out how cynicism dressed up as centrism can blur those lines when it mocks the powerless and flatters the powerful.
You dont have to like the piece, but its worth engaging with what its actually saying.
Paladin
(30,239 posts)Absolutely vicious takedown of Maher's worshipful trip to the trump White House; published in today's NY Times. I hope Maher never ever recovers from it.
Abolishinist
(2,443 posts)Last year, the Oscar-winning actress Jodie Foster complained that Gen Zers dont show up to work until 10:30 a.m., and an MIT interviewer blasted the generation for always being late. And a viral debate popped up when one CEO vented his gripe with a Gen Z job candidate who refused to do a 90-minute task because it looked like a lot of work.
Bosses have even started rapidly firing Gen Z employees just months after hiring them, describing many recent grads as unprepared and unprofessional.
But its not just Gen Xers and baby boomers who have taken stock of how different (or rather, difficult) the youngest generation of workers are. Now even Gen Z hiring managers are complaining about their own generations work style.
Resume Genius asked 625 U.S. hiring managers which generation is the most challenging to work with, and 45% pointed to Gen Z, the generation born between 1997 and 2012. Whats more, 50% of Gen Z hiring managers admitted that their own generation is the most difficult to manage.
https://fortune.com/article/how-to-work-with-gen-z-vs-millennials-work-ethic-employees-workplace-recent-grads/
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,035 posts)BigmanPigman
(52,899 posts)Hassler
(4,265 posts)And with matching sideburns.
Conjuay
(2,383 posts)From a guy who has never had a job.
Hotler
(13,015 posts)OnionPatch
(6,273 posts)From way back in the Amazon Women of the Avocado Jungle days. Im so sad that hes become the epitome of a grumpy old man, pushing the tired old fantasy that these younger generations suck compared to theirs. He stopped being funny years ago when he turned into my grandpa.
AStern
(214 posts)but compared to today's conservatives... he's farther to the left than AOC
Basso8vb
(877 posts)Ever.
Laffy Kat
(16,628 posts)sdfernando
(5,681 posts)got extremely tired of his smug holier-than-thou attitude. His schtick is old and tired.