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IronLionZion

(50,728 posts)
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 12:38 PM Apr 2025

German Tourists Deported From US for Not Booking Hotel

https://www.newsweek.com/germany-tourists-deported-hotel-maria-lepere-charlotte-pohl-hawaii-2062046

Two German teenage girls were detained and deported from the United States after arriving in Hawaii without a hotel reservation.

The case highlights how minor oversights can trigger severe immigration enforcement under President Donald Trump's aggressive border policies.

International travelers face increased scrutiny under the Trump administration's stringent immigration policies. This case exemplifies how minor oversights can lead to severe consequences, raising concerns about the treatment of tourists and the potential detrimental effect on international travel to the U.S.​

Maria Lepère and Charlotte Pohl, both recent high school graduates from Rostock, Germany, embarked on a world tour, visiting countries like Thailand and New Zealand, according to the German outlet Ostsee Zeitung.

Their journey took an unexpected turn when they arrived in Hawaii without pre-booked accommodations. Immigration officials, suspecting potential unauthorized work intentions due to the lack of hotel reservations, detained them.

They arrived in Honolulu on March 18, planning to spend five weeks exploring the islands before continuing to California and then Costa Rica following their graduation.

The duo spent several days in a detention facility before being deported, despite holding valid travel documents and having no prior infractions.


It's a bit unreasonable to expect teen girls to have 5 weeks of hotels booked. They probably don't even know which islands and cities they are going to be on. So they would just book hotels and hostels for shorter periods or rental homes like Air BNB. Young travelers often play it by ear.

Do you feel safer knowing that teen girls are being locked up? I have a hard time believing the US tourism industry isn't pushing back against this. Especially with a hotel owner in the white house.
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German Tourists Deported From US for Not Booking Hotel (Original Post) IronLionZion Apr 2025 OP
I know people who have traveled by camping or renting camper vans IronLionZion Apr 2025 #1
I had friends who stayed in hostels when they traveled. CaptainTruth Apr 2025 #90
ICE quotas freezing out the world. cbabe Apr 2025 #2
Young people use Uber and Air BNB as they travel. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #3
We locked up two 18 year old girls? yardwork Apr 2025 #4
Locked them up and STRIP SEARCHED them. I hope they sue. I hate it here. OMGWTF Apr 2025 #44
It's part of tRump's "No Stinking Tourists!" campaign. All part of America Alone! policy. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #62
I've never felt such hatred as I do for these monsters. yardwork Apr 2025 #91
Perverts and sex abusers. USA USA USA!!! JanMichael Apr 2025 #105
Well, Tourism Industry: Those are two more potential clients you need not worry about ever LoisB Apr 2025 #5
Plus everyone who read this story will think twice. Tons of young allegorical oracle Apr 2025 #20
Big Brother is now stalking the USA looking for people to harass & TRAFFICK. Especially young female people? Attilatheblond Apr 2025 #64
Ding ding malaise Apr 2025 #78
Our tourist industry is going to suffer a whole lot!! riversedge Apr 2025 #6
Most likely US citizens who have taken markodochartaigh Apr 2025 #11
Terrorism (Domestically) ZDU Apr 2025 #7
No hostels in Hawaii? Emile Apr 2025 #8
There are definitely hostels in each major island of Hawaii. And great places to camp. SunSeeker Apr 2025 #29
Can get a decent one for about $50 FHRRK Apr 2025 #99
GOP ignoring the loss of freedom in america. Shame on them. lindysalsagal Apr 2025 #9
Were they not Aryan enough or have tattoos on their fingers? Ping Tung Apr 2025 #10
. dalton99a Apr 2025 #12
Hardened killers both of them IronLionZion Apr 2025 #15
Just wait for the doctored photos with tattoos. nt Grokenstein Apr 2025 #35
I don't see any tattoos on these girls. How did ICE know they were gang members? FakeNoose Apr 2025 #36
You can see the murderous gleam in their eyes IronLionZion Apr 2025 #50
Yup, Codifer Apr 2025 #66
Probably spoke better English than their captors. LiberalArkie Apr 2025 #57
The U.S sure dodged a bullet with these two dangerous terrorists.. Dave Bowman Apr 2025 #60
Oh my gawd! Don't scare me like that! Iggo Apr 2025 #67
Trump has proved himself as incompetent in hotel ownership as he is in everything else. Aristus Apr 2025 #13
Not talking about the specifics of this case newdeal2 Apr 2025 #14
In Australia... ProfessorGAC Apr 2025 #68
Don't try to enter the UK COL Mustard Apr 2025 #93
Yup. You can expect to be questioned in most countries when you enter. MineralMan Apr 2025 #123
Yes. That is true in many places. MineralMan Apr 2025 #122
Powerfully done. Kid Berwyn Apr 2025 #16
There goes backpack traveling to see the world. Well, in the United States anyway. Solly Mack Apr 2025 #17
I'm sure that will play a lot in Germany. College kids from Germany won't be coming here this summer. patphil Apr 2025 #18
That's how I travelled when moonscape Apr 2025 #58
In their christo-fascist nightmare young women don't travel - TBF Apr 2025 #112
This orangecrush Apr 2025 #126
When we go to Ireland, we don't always book ahead Maeve Apr 2025 #19
Oh we are so FREEEEEE nt lostnfound Apr 2025 #94
When you enter the USA as a tourist, you are supposed to give your first address of stay prior to arrival DFW Apr 2025 #21
I would book at least the first couple nights before arrival IronLionZion Apr 2025 #22
You don't even need to do that. DFW Apr 2025 #24
If they don't need proof, I could just say the name of some popular chain that every city has IronLionZion Apr 2025 #27
Exactly. DFW Apr 2025 #32
Well, Sunlight Apr 2025 #37
Inexperienced or not, the airline definitely knows IronLionZion Apr 2025 #42
Every country I've traveled to requires the address I'm staying at within the country. Ms. Toad Apr 2025 #23
That is correct. DFW Apr 2025 #30
This article doesn't tell the whole story either. Ace Rothstein Apr 2025 #38
That would be a game changer for sure. DFW Apr 2025 #71
Depends on where I'm traveling to. Ms. Toad Apr 2025 #40
Never for me. My family went to England and Japan in the last two years. still-prayin4rain Apr 2025 #104
I'll bet your immigration and customs forms asked for the local address, Ms. Toad Apr 2025 #115
WHAT? When did that happen? I NEVER HAD lodging set. For over a dozen countries. Festivito Apr 2025 #111
I dont' know when it happened Ms. Toad Apr 2025 #114
We're not talking about immigration here. A few weeklong visit. Festivito Apr 2025 #117
The form you fill out for a visit, in most countries, is usually called an immigration and customs form. Ms. Toad Apr 2025 #120
We're sorry, we can't find the page... D-uh-OGE! Festivito Apr 2025 #125
Here. Try this. Ms. Toad Apr 2025 #127
Thank you. Guess I'd need to buy the new "Lonely Planet" guide. Festivito Apr 2025 #128
Likely winging it and planed to stay in hostels IbogaProject Apr 2025 #25
They probably were going to camp or stay at youth hostels, like I did when I explored Europe when I was young. SunSeeker Apr 2025 #26
"They're rapists. And, i assume, some ars good people."? czarjak Apr 2025 #28
Kraznov is working hard to alienate former allies to please pootin SheltieLover Apr 2025 #31
republicon facism is killing America's tourism industry BoRaGard Apr 2025 #33
Here are the two "terrrrists" that were stopped before carrying out their sunny sabotage at Waikiki DFW Apr 2025 #34
I flew to Thailand Several times in my life as well as Bev54 Apr 2025 #39
I watch a lot of british tv shows cksmithy Apr 2025 #41
I guess we can't do that in the US now with hardened borders. IronLionZion Apr 2025 #46
Kind of sad that Thailand is safer to visit than the US... Wounded Bear Apr 2025 #43
I visited Thailand in January IronLionZion Apr 2025 #48
That's ridiculous. So much for spontaneity. Vinca Apr 2025 #45
Maybe these stories shouldn't come as a surprise, but somehow, I'm always surprised by them. ShazzieB Apr 2025 #47
That's why I share it IronLionZion Apr 2025 #49
Who exactly is the US tourism industry"? bif Apr 2025 #51
US Travel Association is the main lobbying group IronLionZion Apr 2025 #54
My message to Krasnov TSF: Mr. Evil Apr 2025 #52
Good description. love_katz Apr 2025 #85
Absolutely! Mr. Evil Apr 2025 #92
I took a year off college and hitchhiked around Europe bif Apr 2025 #53
My gap year JustAnotherGen Apr 2025 #55
Shameful Tourism Killer GentryDixon Apr 2025 #56
Rammstein - Amerika (Official Video) IronLionZion Apr 2025 #59
When I travelled when I was younger, I would book one night for a hotel on arrival and no others Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #61
Yup and when visiting a country for the first time, I would discover new stuff I want to see IronLionZion Apr 2025 #74
Snapshot of travel industry protesting, showing poor forecasts for 2025 Lulu KC Apr 2025 #63
In case you see the gov't's claim that the teenagers admitted they planned to work in Hawaii Sunlight Apr 2025 #65
What will happen to... 2naSalit Apr 2025 #69
Especially when the world cup is hosted in 16 different cities IronLionZion Apr 2025 #73
Truly... 2naSalit Apr 2025 #84
I've been wondering about that, too. tanyev Apr 2025 #77
2 young girls in bikinis... lame54 Apr 2025 #70
eek! hawaii invaded by foreign tourist girl threat! help! help! struggle4progress Apr 2025 #72
It's always been like this SARose Apr 2025 #75
Yep..... Australia & New Zealand require you to tell them where you'll be staying..... it's pretty common. groundloop Apr 2025 #76
It's been years for me but I never had accommodations JanMichael Apr 2025 #108
Interesting SARose Apr 2025 #113
It's all coming to: "May I see your papers, please?" SupportSanity Apr 2025 #79
Papers won't help you IronLionZion Apr 2025 #81
Even worse. SupportSanity Apr 2025 #82
CBP is completely immune and unaccountable with 100% power at the border with no oversight or apply AZLD4Candidate Apr 2025 #80
MAGA need to get with the times North Coast Lawyer Apr 2025 #83
Insane. nt Exp Apr 2025 #86
Insanity rules in the USA Meowmee Apr 2025 #87
Next Iamscrewed Apr 2025 #88
Oh I assure you they are always thinking of newer and dumber ways. nt IronLionZion Apr 2025 #95
WHO would want to come here at this point? BigDemVoter Apr 2025 #89
I'm expecting company from another country Marthe48 Apr 2025 #96
glad they made it out alive. Seriously ecstatic Apr 2025 #97
Two white girls unfairly strip searched? This will leave the MAGATs twisting in knots. nt Blasphemer Apr 2025 #98
I've winged its dozens of time going w/o a hotel until I arrived here in the US Historic NY Apr 2025 #100
Strip searched is essentially raped Old Crank Apr 2025 #101
THATS why? oy vey. the stupid. stay home earth til the rat basturd is gone in 2029. pansypoo53219 Apr 2025 #102
"Your Papers Please!" augyboston Apr 2025 #103
You beat me to it. Shit it's early. Prairie_Seagull Apr 2025 #107
How the fuck is this anyones business. Prairie_Seagull Apr 2025 #106
Add USA to list of countries that are dangerous for young women to visit IronLionZion Apr 2025 #109
When I was younger we never booked hotels in advance It opened up a lot of wonderful adventures. travelingthrulife Apr 2025 #110
The US is bdamomma Apr 2025 #116
Another indicator of America's restored Greatness? Will there be parades, marching bands, celebrating Ping Tung Apr 2025 #118
Cheeto wants a big authoritarian style military parade IronLionZion Apr 2025 #121
The 2026 World Cup and 2028 Olympics are going to be a disaster Bleacher Creature Apr 2025 #119
This stunt will further kill any tourism LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2025 #124

Irish_Dem

(79,372 posts)
3. Young people use Uber and Air BNB as they travel.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 12:44 PM
Apr 2025

They don't think about hotels and booking ahead like older folks do.
They know they can find somewhere to stay, and use Uber to get there.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
62. It's part of tRump's "No Stinking Tourists!" campaign. All part of America Alone! policy. . . . nt
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 03:14 PM
Apr 2025

LoisB

(12,235 posts)
5. Well, Tourism Industry: Those are two more potential clients you need not worry about ever
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 12:47 PM
Apr 2025

stepping foot on U.S. soil again.
This is ridiculous; heck beyond ridiculous.

allegorical oracle

(6,136 posts)
20. Plus everyone who read this story will think twice. Tons of young
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:11 PM
Apr 2025

people travel without booking hotels. Seems like Big Brother is now stalking the USA looking for people to harass and deport. So, are we really safer?

Attilatheblond

(8,143 posts)
64. Big Brother is now stalking the USA looking for people to harass & TRAFFICK. Especially young female people?
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 03:17 PM
Apr 2025

Fixed it for you.

markodochartaigh

(4,904 posts)
11. Most likely US citizens who have taken
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 12:58 PM
Apr 2025

the newly opened jobs picking fruit, working in slaughterhouses, and putting on rooves (using the antiquated form here in accordance with new American English guidelines) will be vacationing in Hawaii now.

/s

SunSeeker

(57,441 posts)
29. There are definitely hostels in each major island of Hawaii. And great places to camp.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:55 PM
Apr 2025

Plus, young girls can get accepted into people's homes for free. I wouldn't recommend it, but it happens.

FHRRK

(1,354 posts)
99. Can get a decent one for about $50
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 11:02 PM
Apr 2025

In Honolulu, place are/were filled with foreign travelers and foreign students.

LiberalArkie

(19,210 posts)
57. Probably spoke better English than their captors.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:59 PM
Apr 2025

Just backpacking around is how a lot of us boomers saw the world. Eurorail pass, etc

Aristus

(71,536 posts)
13. Trump has proved himself as incompetent in hotel ownership as he is in everything else.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:01 PM
Apr 2025

How many of his roach motels received complains of poor sanitation, dirty sheets, bed bugs, and other nasty stuff? Trump doesn't care for anything other than himself and the power he is wielding. He doesn't give a shit for the U.S. tourism industry.

newdeal2

(4,697 posts)
14. Not talking about the specifics of this case
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:02 PM
Apr 2025

But when I travel abroad (EU / Asia), they often require you to enter your hotel info prior to being allowed inside the country.

ProfessorGAC

(75,684 posts)
68. In Australia...
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 03:25 PM
Apr 2025

...I was asked, each time, to provide proof of a scheduled return flight to the US.
They love Americans there, but they do want us to go home.

COL Mustard

(7,929 posts)
93. Don't try to enter the UK
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 07:39 PM
Apr 2025

Without a valid, verifiable address where you'll be staying. I had to do it even though I was transiting LHR for Dublin...a whole other country!

MineralMan

(150,521 posts)
123. Yup. You can expect to be questioned in most countries when you enter.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 02:37 PM
Apr 2025

I went to Europe with an orchestra and choir for a series of concerts. I'm an oboist. I got lots of questions. Was I being paid? Did I have receipts proving my ownership of my oboe? Where was I staying in the UK. I answered the questions. There were about 50 people on that flight going to the same concert series.

I had no idea where we were staying, but the tour bus driver did. Yes, that's my oboe. No, I don't have a receipt. I've owned it for 12 years. No, I wasn't being paid. In fact, it cost me US$3000 to come on this tour. We're all amateur musicians. Then I got waved through.

MineralMan

(150,521 posts)
122. Yes. That is true in many places.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 02:29 PM
Apr 2025

It's no fun, though, if you're trying to make a point of some kind.

patphil

(8,670 posts)
18. I'm sure that will play a lot in Germany. College kids from Germany won't be coming here this summer.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:09 PM
Apr 2025

When my daughter was in College in 1996, she spent 3 weeks wandering around Europe between semesters. No plans, just went.
She ended up on Temple Hill in Dublin for New Years Eve with no place to stay. A kind and generous couple let her crash in their hotel room. I'm glad she didn't tell us this until after she got home.
Point is that young kids often just play it by ear. Not gonna happen any more in the US.

moonscape

(5,628 posts)
58. That's how I travelled when
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 03:01 PM
Apr 2025

I was in my late teens/early 20’s - all over Europe. Arrived in Athens without a reservation, also Amsterdam, Rome … worked it out when I got there.

Traveling like that was key in building my self confidence as a young woman going solo much of the time when there wasn’t a friend available to go where I wanted.

This is heartbreaking, and embarrassing.

TBF

(35,449 posts)
112. In their christo-fascist nightmare young women don't travel -
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 08:41 AM
Apr 2025

they are home having babies for Elon Musk. This administration is psycho.

DFW

(59,685 posts)
21. When you enter the USA as a tourist, you are supposed to give your first address of stay prior to arrival
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:17 PM
Apr 2025

Without that, they shouldn't have been given boarding passes by whatever airline they flew in on. Even I have to do that as a legal resident of Germany. It's a little over the top, I find, but that is what is on form asked of all passengers who list another county of residence, even US citizens. If I don't do it, I don't get the boarding pass. It's completely stupid. I could give the address of a local Starbucks, and the form would be accepted.

That having been said, if they can establish the financial wherewithal to stay five weeks in Hawai'i, then the CBP staff should have let them in. It's not like two teenage girls from Germany constitute a clear and present danger. Detaining them for days in a detention facility is by far the greater offense than their oversight when filling out the online form, which the airline should have reminded them of prior to even issuing a boarding pass in the first place. It is reasonable to conclude that terrorists were indeed present at their arrival, but they were not civilian German teenagers. Rather, they were the ones wearing U.S. CBP uniforms.

When this makes national headlines in Germany (give it about 8 minutes for the internet, another four hours for the TV news), the number of western Europeans still willing to book summer trips to the USA this summer should drop by another hundred thousand. There go a few million more in sales tax, hotel occupancy tax, and payroll taxes on salaries for service jobs. Republicans and the economy, again.

It's so good to know that the Republicans are looking out for our economy. That is, if watching it slip beneath the surface of the quicksand can be interpreted to be "looking out for our economy." Before posting, I will take a brief look. If there is anything yet in the German online news.

OK, THAT took all of ten seconds!

Zwei deutsche Teenager-Mädchen nach Hawaii-Einreise inhaftiert und deportiert
US-Einreise wird zum Albtraum: Zwei junge Deutsche landen statt am Strand im Gefängnis. Ihr Fall zeigt die verschärften Einreisekontrollen unter der Trump-Regierung und führt zu angepassten Reisewarnungen für die USA.

Two German teenage girls arrested and deported after entering Hawai'i.
US-trip became a nightmare: two young Germans, instead of landing on the beach, landed in jail. Their case demonstrates the stricter immigration controls under the Trump administration, and leads to appropriate travel warnings for the USA.

IronLionZion

(50,728 posts)
22. I would book at least the first couple nights before arrival
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:24 PM
Apr 2025

It's good to have some piece of paper with an address/phone just in case. Even if I don't know where I'm staying after that.

plenty of people just show up somewhere and look at what's available/affordable when they get there.

DFW

(59,685 posts)
24. You don't even need to do that.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:42 PM
Apr 2025

The first night is all they ask or require. Neither I nor my wife (when traveling solo) has ever been asked to back up a furnished address for the first night's stay. Indeed, I think the online form the airlines give us specifically only asks for the first night. They ask for a street address, or a hotel name if it's a hotel, zip code and the city. We've never been asked for any further details. The CBP people in Hawaii were being really nitpicky and unnecessarily cruel. They definitely did the country more harm than good, as those headlines clearly portend.

IronLionZion

(50,728 posts)
27. If they don't need proof, I could just say the name of some popular chain that every city has
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:51 PM
Apr 2025

like Marriot or Hilton

DFW

(59,685 posts)
32. Exactly.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:56 PM
Apr 2025

The place only has to exist. I have never ever been asked to show an actual reservation.

Sunlight

(12 posts)
37. Well,
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:16 PM
Apr 2025

it's great to know we should do this, but they only just graduated from high school, and

despite holding valid travel documents and having no prior infractions

they were kept "several days in a detention facility before being deported." I can't imagine how scary it must have been for them while in detention.

IronLionZion

(50,728 posts)
42. Inexperienced or not, the airline definitely knows
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:23 PM
Apr 2025

travel agents would know, and the US and German consulates know. Any one of them should have advised these girls before flying.

Ms. Toad

(38,093 posts)
23. Every country I've traveled to requires the address I'm staying at within the country.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:41 PM
Apr 2025

I'm not suggesting that sending them to detention was appropriate. But it is common to require an address within the country at the point of entry (or before, in some countries).

DFW

(59,685 posts)
30. That is correct.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:55 PM
Apr 2025

However, no airline had any business issuing them boarding passes without having asked them for the information beforehand. Then, all they had to do was to book some hotel in HNL or Kona or wherever at a refundable rate, and enter that information prior to boarding, and they would have been good. Now, I can understand that two Europeans, especially if they had never been to the USA on their own before, would not be aware of that. However, their airline definitely would have. I am really shocked that they were issued boarding passes without having furnished this information to the airline beforehand. With the airlines I usually fly (Air France, KLM, Delta, Lufthansa, Swissair), there is no way I'll obtain a boarding pass without having first furnished an address their computer verifies as existing.

Ace Rothstein

(3,369 posts)
38. This article doesn't tell the whole story either.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:17 PM
Apr 2025

They also told CBP that they were freelancers and were planning to work while here. A huge no-no with the visas they were on.

DFW

(59,685 posts)
71. That would be a game changer for sure.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 03:43 PM
Apr 2025

If they were so ignorant and foolish to tell a CBP agent they were planning to work, even as a joke, they might as well have signed their expulsion order themselves. I didn’t see that part.

Ms. Toad

(38,093 posts)
40. Depends on where I'm traveling to.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:22 PM
Apr 2025

A number of times the forms are distributed and completed mid-air to be ready for customs and immigration on landing (definitely Mexico and Canada - although I don't even recall forms for Canada)), don't recall for other venues . Italy required forms in advance, but I don't recall that the airline checked.
The other countries (Soviet Union, Scandinavia, and Australia) are long enough that I don't remember the details - other than digging digging around to find the local address.

still-prayin4rain

(520 posts)
104. Never for me. My family went to England and Japan in the last two years.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 06:40 AM
Apr 2025

In both cases we had hotels booked only for the first few nights and booked our hotels as we traveled throughout the country.

Ms. Toad

(38,093 posts)
115. I'll bet your immigration and customs forms asked for the local address,
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 09:53 AM
Apr 2025

And that you put the address of those first few nights.

Festivito

(13,841 posts)
111. WHAT? When did that happen? I NEVER HAD lodging set. For over a dozen countries.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 08:28 AM
Apr 2025

Fiji, New Zealand, Australia, Japan, India, China, Nepal, England, Sweden, Brazil, and the rest of South America. NONE of them.

80's and 90's for sure. When did the requirement hit?

Ms. Toad

(38,093 posts)
114. I dont' know when it happened
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 09:47 AM
Apr 2025

But most of my travel has been 2005 or later. (Soviet Union and Scandinavia were earlier were late 80s). Every immigration form I've completed asks for address at the destination.

Festivito

(13,841 posts)
117. We're not talking about immigration here. A few weeklong visit.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 11:57 AM
Apr 2025

I had to get visas for some individual countries. Not once did I have a set place for day one.

Ms. Toad

(38,093 posts)
120. The form you fill out for a visit, in most countries, is usually called an immigration and customs form.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 12:49 PM
Apr 2025

It is also sometimes called a traveler entry form, or customs declaration form. You complete it - at some point - before going through customs even for a visit in every country I've ever been to. Here's the US version: https://www.cbp.gov/travel/clearing-cbp/traveler-entry-form. Line 4a is where the local residence goes on this particular form.

Festivito

(13,841 posts)
125. We're sorry, we can't find the page... D-uh-OGE!
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 03:59 PM
Apr 2025

We’re sorry, we can’t find the page you're looking for. It might have been removed, changed its name, or is otherwise unavailable.

I appreciate the effort. We live in a crave new world.

Festivito

(13,841 posts)
128. Thank you. Guess I'd need to buy the new "Lonely Planet" guide.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 12:45 PM
Apr 2025

Whatever its new facsimile may be. Plenty of addresses to use.

IbogaProject

(5,564 posts)
25. Likely winging it and planed to stay in hostels
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:49 PM
Apr 2025

That is the way youths travel, so they are with peers in a setting where they get lots of interactions with similar people.

SunSeeker

(57,441 posts)
26. They probably were going to camp or stay at youth hostels, like I did when I explored Europe when I was young.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 01:49 PM
Apr 2025

I never had advance reservations at the hostels because I didn't know what day I'd be there. It was never a problem, they always had room in the dorm style rooms.

This is so stupid.

DFW

(59,685 posts)
34. Here are the two "terrrrists" that were stopped before carrying out their sunny sabotage at Waikiki
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:10 PM
Apr 2025

Taken in Thailand shortly before leaving for the USA:

Bev54

(13,152 posts)
39. I flew to Thailand Several times in my life as well as
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:21 PM
Apr 2025

Mexico without hotel reservations, choosing to book in after I arrived. I knew where to go but nobody even asked me if I had booked a room. My bet they did the same on their arrival in Thailand. I have known many European and UK travellers that had a one year world ticket and they rarely booked ahead because they might decide to stay longer or shorter times in a particular country. This is very common.

cksmithy

(417 posts)
41. I watch a lot of british tv shows
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:22 PM
Apr 2025

and there are have been so many story lines about gap year world travel, after graduating high school before university, young people in Europe go traveling the world and staying in inexpensive hostels. There are also story lines, where retirees go on world travels. Never knowing where they will go next. This just shows how stupid the us is and the lack of understanding of how other parts of the world function.

IronLionZion

(50,728 posts)
46. I guess we can't do that in the US now with hardened borders.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:28 PM
Apr 2025

Sure there are ways to jump though these hoops, but my guess is far fewer foreign tourists will want to visit our country if they'll be treated like criminals.

There were also some issues with BREXIT screwing up travel within Europe for some folks.

IronLionZion

(50,728 posts)
48. I visited Thailand in January
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:33 PM
Apr 2025

fully prepared to be interrogated. I had answers prepared and papers printed out. Nothing. They didn't ask even one question, just stamped my visa on my US passport and let me go wherever I want. I don't speak the language but I did buy travel health insurance ahead of time in case I needed to show it.

China is a different story because Trump is antagonizing them. Thailand is perfectly safe for Americans to travel and I highly recommend it.

ShazzieB

(22,148 posts)
47. Maybe these stories shouldn't come as a surprise, but somehow, I'm always surprised by them.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:32 PM
Apr 2025

Call me naive, but I have really been taken by surprise by stories like this, about white Europeans (or in one case a New Zealander of European descent) being detained by ICE. We all know Trump likes white people just fine!

I was expecting a big crackdown on people of color, on people from anywhere in Latin America, Africa, and at least some parts of Asia. But i assumed (obviously wrongly) that it would still be smooth sailing for white Europeans like his own forebears. I remember him once complaining about so many people coming here from what he called sh!thole (i.e., majority nonwhite) countries and wondering why more Norwegians (i.e., white Europeans) weren't coming here. I took that as a figurative rolling out of the welcome mat to Eurpeans on his part, but we keep hearing multiple stories of European tourists being treated like criminals!

If old Friedrich Trump (Don the Con's grandfather) found a time machine and tried to enter the U.S. now, I guess he'd be in big trouble!

IronLionZion

(50,728 posts)
49. That's why I share it
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:38 PM
Apr 2025

I'm used to being interrogated/hassled coming back to the US despite being a US born citizen with global entry and TSA precheck (I'm brown) But never expected I would see it happen to white people.

Kudos to Trump for equal opportunity screwing. They've thrown European tourists in prison for several weeks at a time for "working" while on a tourist visa. Very loose definitions of work. Monetized social media is considered work. Babysitting someone's kids in exchange for housing is work.

IronLionZion

(50,728 posts)
54. US Travel Association is the main lobbying group
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:48 PM
Apr 2025

AAA is another one for automobile travel.
American Hotel and Lodging Association is another.
Airlines have one called Airlines for America.
There are others for specific sectors like intercity buses or theme parks or tour operators.

Mr. Evil

(3,434 posts)
52. My message to Krasnov TSF:
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:43 PM
Apr 2025

Nice job, gnat brain! Who's the shit-hole country now?

*My apologies to the smart gnats of the world (they're definitely smarter than him)*

love_katz

(3,193 posts)
85. Good description.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 05:49 PM
Apr 2025

I think that if we shoved Agolf $hitler's head up a flea's a$$, that it would roll around like a pebble in a box car.

Darth Marmalade is a perfect reflection of the cretin's who voted for him.

bif

(26,604 posts)
53. I took a year off college and hitchhiked around Europe
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:45 PM
Apr 2025

Didn't have a single place booked. Mainly stayed in Youth Hostels.

JustAnotherGen

(37,476 posts)
55. My gap year
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:51 PM
Apr 2025

Going a few weeks to Europe and back to the US at a time - my friend and me had a Hostel book, backpacks, cash, travelers checks and a calling card to check in back home.

That's half the fun of it - not really knowing where you are going to end up.

GentryDixon

(3,120 posts)
56. Shameful Tourism Killer
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 02:53 PM
Apr 2025

My SIL & I landed in Paris with a Eurail pass and a Frommer's. No reservations for any hotels because we weren't sure exactly where we were stopping. This was in 1991, so long before internet access. I had an AT&T calling card I was able to use to call home (my Dad was a worrier). One of the cities had phone banks in the Post Offices, but so long ago, I can't remember.

We traveled to France, Switzerland, Austria, Germany, Luxembourg & back to France to head home. What an adventure that was for us. 💙

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
61. When I travelled when I was younger, I would book one night for a hotel on arrival and no others
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 03:12 PM
Apr 2025

I'd spend a couple of days in a city and travel to the next one early in the day and find a room that I like at a price that I liked on arrival in each city.

IronLionZion

(50,728 posts)
74. Yup and when visiting a country for the first time, I would discover new stuff I want to see
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 04:00 PM
Apr 2025

that I didn't know about before. So I would book it while I'm there. Tons of tourists do this.

Sunlight

(12 posts)
65. In case you see the gov't's claim that the teenagers admitted they planned to work in Hawaii
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 03:21 PM
Apr 2025

Story in the DailyBeast:

After a sleepless night in the freezing cell, the girls were woken early and escorted back to the airport in handcuffs. Upon arrival, they were forced to board a Hawaiian Airlines flight to Tokyo and were told they would receive their passports back once they arrived in Japan.

Included in their travel documents were interrogation transcripts signed by the girls, which “contained sentences we didn’t actually say,” said Charlotte after the ordeal. “They twisted it to make it seem as if we admitted that we wanted to work illegally in the US.”

2naSalit

(99,705 posts)
69. What will happen to...
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 03:29 PM
Apr 2025

All those foreign nationals who are supposed to be coming for the Olympics? And the World Cup?

Maybe those will be cancelled. I live in an area that lives and dies by tourism, will be interesting to see how badly they'll do this year.

IronLionZion

(50,728 posts)
73. Especially when the world cup is hosted in 16 different cities
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 03:54 PM
Apr 2025

and fans won't know which teams will advance to the final rounds, therefore which city they are going to go and where to stay, and so on.

tanyev

(48,578 posts)
77. I've been wondering about that, too.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 04:22 PM
Apr 2025

Feels like a giant clusterf**k waiting to happen.

SARose

(1,822 posts)
75. It's always been like this
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 04:03 PM
Apr 2025

They are going to spend 5 weeks in Hawaii without accommodations for the full time they are in the US? Uh no.

Red Flag Number One - coming to work in US on tourist visa.

Red Flag number two - human trafficking/prostitution or drug trafficking.

Red Flag Number Three - not staying with friends or family for all or part of the visit.

When I travelled to Venezuela from the US on a tourist visa in the 70’s/80’s the first questions asked in Venezuela were what is your purpose for visiting and where are you staying?

When I traveled to the US with a Venezuelan resident visa in a US passport the first questions asked were what is the purpose of your visit and where are you staying?

When you are in the Customs area in airport or land port US citizen or not you have very few rights. Many Americans don’t understand this.

Nothing to see here, folks.

groundloop

(13,554 posts)
76. Yep..... Australia & New Zealand require you to tell them where you'll be staying..... it's pretty common.
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 04:15 PM
Apr 2025

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
108. It's been years for me but I never had accommodations
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 06:56 AM
Apr 2025

Traveling all through Europe. On trains and buses.

When I flew from the US to Poland I would usually stop in the UK and spend a couple nights there. Never have a hotel in advance.

Traveling by train it was usually hostels that I stayed at.

I did get the what's the purpose of the visit question and the accommodations answer would usually be a hostel or a hotel once I get out of here. That was at Gatwick too.

I don't know maybe I just don't get hassled as much being a white make from the US.

SARose

(1,822 posts)
113. Interesting
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 08:59 AM
Apr 2025

Could it be because the UK and Europe see more young folks traveling and using hostels?

My experience in South America is most likely linked to drug smuggling. Venezuela and Colombia share a border.

La Goajira Peninsula was a wild place back in the late 70’s/80’s. My husband received anonymous threats because he was in a helicopter scouting seismic lines there. Apparently someone thought he saw something. Who knows?

Thanks for sharing your story.

IronLionZion

(50,728 posts)
81. Papers won't help you
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 04:43 PM
Apr 2025

these girls had papers. Kilmar Abrego Garcia had papers. Plenty of people currently in detention centers have papers.

AZLD4Candidate

(6,725 posts)
80. CBP is completely immune and unaccountable with 100% power at the border with no oversight or apply
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 04:35 PM
Apr 2025

I hate every single person that wears that uniform, especially after what they did to my wife.

North Coast Lawyer

(222 posts)
83. MAGA need to get with the times
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 05:02 PM
Apr 2025

Not booking a hotel in advance has been a thing for quite some time. Tomorrow I'm flying to New York. I'll make a hotel reservation on Expedia after I've landed, rented a car, and got out of the city.

BigDemVoter

(4,675 posts)
89. WHO would want to come here at this point?
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 06:43 PM
Apr 2025

I certainly wouldn't dream of spending money on a ticket to the USA not only because of the risk of deportation, but I also wouldn't want to contribute to the US economy. I hate to say it, but it's true.

Marthe48

(22,628 posts)
96. I'm expecting company from another country
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 09:17 PM
Apr 2025

They had plans of landing out West and driving to my state for a school friend's wedding, taking up to a month to tour the country. They've scaled that back to landing about 2 hours away, and driving to my house. They are staying with me for a few days, then driving back to the airport and going home. I just texted them my cell number in case they get hassled in the airport or along the way.
My kids went to Ireland last week, came back yesterday. They said they didn't have any trouble heading out. They had to go through an extra step in customs in Ireland to return, but that step reduced the amount of time getting through customs in the U.S. They thought the process went smoothly.

Historic NY

(39,577 posts)
100. I've winged its dozens of time going w/o a hotel until I arrived here in the US
Mon Apr 21, 2025, 11:12 PM
Apr 2025

and Canada..I'd look for something clean and cheap.Hawaii hotels are expensive getting word of mouth for a cheap place on the street is what most kids would do.

Old Crank

(6,604 posts)
101. Strip searched is essentially raped
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 03:03 AM
Apr 2025

By the people detaining them. Probably includes a body cavity search also.

Just a bunch of thugs at the borders.

augyboston

(376 posts)
103. "Your Papers Please!"
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 06:39 AM
Apr 2025

"Your papers, please!" is a phrase commonly associated with police state settings, where functionaries demand identification from civilians. It's a trope used to represent the erosion of individual liberties and the imposition of strict control. The phrase gained popularity through its use in the 1942 film Casablanca, which depicted life in Vichy-controlled Casablanca during World War II.



Prairie_Seagull

(4,588 posts)
106. How the fuck is this anyones business.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 06:44 AM
Apr 2025

We are not in a war or even a confrontation with Germany.

Papers please!

WTF

IronLionZion

(50,728 posts)
109. Add USA to list of countries that are dangerous for young women to visit
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 07:44 AM
Apr 2025

many countries have added travel advisories for USA. They don't like how our government is treating their citizens who clearly did nothing wrong. They had papers. They just didn't have a hotel booking. They should say Trump hotel and see if that works.

travelingthrulife

(4,305 posts)
110. When I was younger we never booked hotels in advance It opened up a lot of wonderful adventures.
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 07:52 AM
Apr 2025

Soon, no one will visit this country.

bdamomma

(69,134 posts)
116. The US is
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 10:58 AM
Apr 2025

going to be off the market for tourism, while other countries will reap the business. And they will and are.

Impeach this SF!!!

Ping Tung

(4,121 posts)
118. Another indicator of America's restored Greatness? Will there be parades, marching bands, celebrating
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 12:07 PM
Apr 2025

the opening ceremonies of our Made In America Gulags?

IronLionZion

(50,728 posts)
121. Cheeto wants a big authoritarian style military parade
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 01:51 PM
Apr 2025

guaranteed to tear up the streets of our capital city while efficiently wasting our tax dollars. MAGA!

Bleacher Creature

(11,504 posts)
119. The 2026 World Cup and 2028 Olympics are going to be a disaster
Tue Apr 22, 2025, 12:20 PM
Apr 2025

Why would anyone travel here given all of these stories?

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