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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBy the way, Trump is a Russian AGENT
Not asset. Agent. He is actively working for Putin, doing his damnedest to weaken or even destroy America. I don't think I'm saying anything that most of you didn't already know. I just wanted to state it here in black and white.

Dave Bowman
(5,021 posts)brush
(59,625 posts)lame54
(37,865 posts)BlueTsunami2018
(4,317 posts)Hes just likes the trappings of power. I dont think the Heritage Foundation or the Federalist Society, the Project 2025 people, are Russian agents either. They are basically the John Birchers and their ideological descendants who have been around for decades and have finally found the way to do the things theyve always wanted to do. It just so happens that their goals align with oligarchs the world over, Russian oligarchs included. Theyre just standard fascists.
Piss doesnt understand the first thing about how government works, he just has people in his ear telling him to do these things and theyll make everyone love him or fear him, the only things he actually cares about. Its all just a show to him.
MadameButterfly
(2,874 posts)but too actively working for Putin to be just an asset. The best word is puppet.
democrank
(11,425 posts)Finger puppet
Clouds Passing
(4,450 posts)Yoyoyo77
(310 posts)Papa Koch worked overseas for Stalin and after that Hitler. He helped build the oil extraction industries in both. He was pissed that the Russians working with his crew kept getting tossed in the gulag. Hitler left the crew working with him alone, at least while Fred was still in the country. Fred loved the 3rd Reich Germany so much that he had his kids German nanny go with them when the family returned to Kansas. Natch!!!
Jack Valentino
(1,877 posts)who just happened to be elected President of the United States.
they made a good investment, as it turns out
homegirl
(1,709 posts)AMERICAN KOMPROMAT by Carl Unger.
Complete with pages and pages of confirming footnotes!
LymphocyteLover
(7,841 posts)dedl67
(11 posts)has something on Trump that is very very bad. That's just my belief. But it is standard operating procedure of authoritarian regimes to acquire damaging blackmail material on whoever can be useful to them.
homegirl
(1,709 posts)experience when visiting the USSR, every foreigner is tested. The hookers and the pee rumor is mild compared to what* Trump really did!
*Think teenage girls competing in Beauty Pageant!
Ligyron
(7,937 posts)Trump cares less about any female encounters, even underage ones. His supporters would only admire his manliness for whatever encounter and if underage, why the poor man was tricked gawd bless him. Theyre always picking on him!
AdamGG
(1,680 posts)there's some Russian agent in the mix too, definitely on Trump's part. Many of the others just don't mind going along with it as a vehicle to meet their goals.
LymphocyteLover
(7,841 posts)and effectively a pro-Russian agent
Blasphemer
(3,431 posts)Torchlight
(4,554 posts)He possess neither the cunning nor the discipline to play at spy. mr. trump is pissing on the nation for his own profit, no cunning masterplan by Putin.
Mme. Defarge
(8,699 posts)this is exactly what it would look like if that were the case.
Bonx
(2,321 posts)live love laugh
(15,199 posts)Karasu
(997 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 23, 2025, 10:19 PM - Edit history (1)
artist in Russia to do a portrait of him for anything less. They're proud as fuck to have successfully installed one of their agents as "leader" of the US and have been openly bragging about it since his fucking first term.
Warpy
(113,251 posts)Russians tend to err on the side of xemophobia, so their agents, who have a certain amount of automy and power, are all Rissoams/ Putin's Pet Piggy is just that, someone who can be controlled and commanded through blackmail, financial pressure, or some sort of one sided, fictional bromance. With PPP, it's likely all three.
Bust yeah, he's a Russian asset. It's just another reason Congress needs to be kicked off its dead collective behind and forced to do its job.
iemanja
(55,862 posts)There is no other explanation.
Jack Valentino
(1,877 posts)He may be stupid enough to believe that what he is doing will help America in the end.
I don't see any evidence of "intelligence" from his actions in the last ten years,
do you??
On the other hand, he has shown himself to be easy to manipulate.
Escaped Floridian
(30 posts)It's so obvious, in fact, that I'm surprised Donnie doesn't just come out and say so. Hey, it wouldn't even cost him politically, because Congressional Republicans are too goddam chickenshit and MAGA voters are too fucking dumb.
IronLionZion
(48,564 posts)not that it matters much at this point. Who is going to hold them accountable?
Botany
(73,927 posts)xuplate
(82 posts)He is too dumb to plot out a take over this comprehensive and efficient. This is Soviet level subterfuge. Putin was weaned on these techniques.
AllaN01Bear
(24,833 posts)wiggs
(8,210 posts)they should start every conversation with the appropriate context of TSF's serious limitations and disorders...which have been apparent for decades. Kind of important.
Much of his behavior and actions are due to his fears, sociopathy, and limitations...including being an easy target for ex-KGB officials and other authoritarian leaders foreign and domestic.
This would bring everything into focus more clearly because it explains so, so much.
dchill
(42,100 posts)CloudWatcher
(1,995 posts)Don't look too closely at Mr Musk. And from today's NYT:
Vance Outlines U.S. Plan for Ukraine That Sharply Favors Russia
https://democraticunderground.com/10143446330
UpInArms
(52,652 posts)The CSO also focuses on conflict prevention, crisis response, and stabilization activities driving integrated, civilian-led efforts to prevent, respond to, and stabilize crises in priority states, setting conditions for long-term peace.*
https://newrepublic.com/post/194251/marco-rubio-state-department-eliminate-russia-office
gordianot
(15,568 posts)Even then he might be more effective if no one suspected. Seems to me everyone knows Trump does not hide it.
Hassler
(4,265 posts)Grins
(8,268 posts)And then he got elected.
And in 2017 he appointed Flynn .
And then Flynn got caught.
Flynn is another Russian asset.
And he launched a missile attack on Syria.
But first told the Russians so they could get out of the way of the incoming.
And then he fired Comey and bragged about it to Russian foreign minister.
And then he gave code-level secrets to Russians.
Then the CIA extracted their PRIME - MOST SECRET!!! - asset they ever had - in the top echelon of the Kremlin because even they suspected Trump.
And Helsinki.
And that was just his first 5- months!!!
The list is long. And then this year. Just his first 85-days
Hes as Russian as bad Borscht and cheap vodka.
Jack Valentino
(1,877 posts)Oh yeah, I know... the "Russians are not communists anymore"...
That is certainly true, now they are more like the far right...
Cha
(309,883 posts)ERW
(8 posts)He is dumb, but he doesn't have to think, he just needs to follow Putin's instructions on how to destroy the U.S.
walkingman
(9,120 posts)Blue Owl
(55,988 posts)
republianmushroom
(19,581 posts)Pas-de-Calais
(10,098 posts)Dem4life1970
(794 posts)"Russia, if you are listening..." he said to an open mic.
He appointed Manafort.
He met with Russians in Trump Tower in early 2016.
He shared state secrets in the Oval Office with Russian officials (Sergie Lavrov and some other "pinkie, commie" as they would say).
Helsinki, prostrating himself before Putin on live TV.
He IS a Russian agent. 100%
calimary
(85,966 posts)czarjak
(12,768 posts)"Russia's a ruse."
ReRe
(11,569 posts)but potentially a Trillion times more deadly than the original one.
All I know is he went to Russia back in 1987, can't remember if he was wanting to build one of his Trump Towers over there, or whether it had to do with the Beauty contest "business" (or both), but when he got back stateside he put a full length page ad in the NYTs along the lines of getting rid of NATO. Maybe Russia looked at him as an asset at that point. But. When Barack Obama gave his speech at that WH Correspondent's Dinner where he made a total fool out of DJT in his presence, that was the moment when the bad boy became a full on Agent. IMHO.
Iamscrewed
(126 posts)Some of us have known for a long time.
cstanleytech
(27,548 posts)mopinko
(72,308 posts)assets dont run operations. the level of evil decisions hes made wd need autonomy. unless he has a full time handler, in touch w moscow in real time, (which he might) hes the head of the u.s. unit of putlers army.
Kid Berwyn
(20,084 posts)Donald J Trump represents the most successful spy operation of all time. And thanks to Just-us John Roberts redefining the meaning of "Insurrection" and the very words of the Constitution of the United States of America, an active Russian agent has been allowed to return to the Oval Office to again "serve" as the pee-resident.
Normally, I'd say: "Think about that!" But, destroying truth is what tyrants do. It's why they hate a free press.
It's why trumpf is doing all he can to sue anyone who ever wrote anything bad about him. Now he has the DoJ doing his dirty work and handing the legal bill to the U.S. taxpayer.
The photo of Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and dip above was taken by TASS, the official Russian news agency. The US media were not informed about the 2017 visit. We learned about it because the Unstable Moron himself spread the pic proudly on social media.
How many people do you know whove seen that picture or the one below, taken on an earlier date in the Oval Office? Again, very few.
I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job," Trump said, according to The Times. "I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off.
"I'm not under investigation," he added.
Sources:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/10/527755991/trump-meets-with-russias-lavrov-at-the-white-house-today
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-nut-job-james-comey-russia-2017-5
And this is the man leading the "restructuring of American government" today winking at Putin at a diplomatic affair during his first madministration.
No wonder Putin, the Kremlin and the GRU and whatever the KGB is called these days call him "America's Gorbachev." Gorby sped up the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Now Putin returns the favor through Trump and his destruction of America's economy, hailed just before the 2024 election by The Economist as "The Envy of the World."
Biggest Moron Ever, too.
RainCaster
(12,698 posts)For the next march.
get the red out
(13,712 posts)I will NEVER forget the look of terror in her eyes in the first term when she met Putin. She is naturally such a haughty woman, but here she was, like a kid who just brought home a bad report card and now Daddy's home.
Martin68
(25,537 posts)Marvin Jones
(17 posts)It is so obvious. Yet it is so hard for some to admit. He makes one remember the good things Benedict Arnold did BEFORE he became a traitor.
nowforever
(493 posts)I hear the KGB loves to tape some visitors. I think Putin showed Trump some of those tapes and now has him on a leash and trained to bark on command.