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struggle4progress

(122,847 posts)
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:43 PM Wednesday

rump's "final offer" for peace requires Ukraine to accept Russian occupation

Barak Ravid

... Trump's proposal would require major concessions from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, who previously ruled out accepting Russia's occupation of Crimea and parts of four regions in eastern Ukraine.

And while Russian President Vladimir Putin has reportedly offered to freeze the current front lines in order to reach a deal, he has previously rejected other elements of the U.S. framework, such as a European peacekeeping force on Ukrainian territory.

A source close to the Ukrainian government said Kyiv sees the proposal as highly biased towards Russia: "The proposal says very clearly what tangible gains Russia gets, but only vaguely and generally says what Ukraine is going to get" ...

https://www.axios.com/2025/04/22/trump-russia-ukraine-peace-plan-crimea-donbas

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rump's "final offer" for peace requires Ukraine to accept Russian occupation (Original Post) struggle4progress Wednesday OP
trump can not think beyond a transaction. cachukis Wednesday #1
huffin and puffin'...just wait a few days and the tune will change. he cannot follow thru anything nt msongs Wednesday #2
There is NO way Ukraine would accept this sakabatou Wednesday #3
Whatever they agree to, he won't honor the agreement. Scrivener7 Wednesday #4
Exactly! SheltieLover Wednesday #8
I wonder if they could fake him out... BigmanPigman Yesterday #10
He is, but his handlers are meticulous. SheltieLover Yesterday #11
Damn, you are right though. BigmanPigman Yesterday #13
Trump blames Zelenskyy for peace talk collapse struggle4progress Wednesday #5
I don't think we are part of it anymore... lame54 Wednesday #6
Trump, forever Putin's useful idiot. J_William_Ryan Wednesday #7
Zelensky reposted a 2018 statement by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #9
Less a "final offer" than a "final solution" (for those familiar with the term). Buns_of_Fire Yesterday #12

msongs

(71,128 posts)
2. huffin and puffin'...just wait a few days and the tune will change. he cannot follow thru anything nt
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:51 PM
Wednesday

BigmanPigman

(52,897 posts)
10. I wonder if they could fake him out...
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 02:56 AM
Yesterday

Maybe a reverse barometer sort of thing? He seems so helter skelter all the time that I think it would be easy to screw him up and be successful. He's REALLY that dumb and scattered.

struggle4progress

(122,847 posts)
5. Trump blames Zelenskyy for peace talk collapse
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:58 PM
Wednesday

High-level peace talks aimed at ending the war in Ukraine collapsed on Wednesday after Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff chose not to attend meetings in London.

J_William_Ryan

(2,672 posts)
7. Trump, forever Putin's useful idiot.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 08:21 PM
Wednesday

Trump wants to reward his friend and ally Putin for launching an illegal invasion killing thousands, including civilians; that Trump wants to appease a war criminal comes as no surprise, Trump’s a criminal himself.

LetMyPeopleVote

(162,024 posts)
9. Zelensky reposted a 2018 statement by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo,
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 08:47 PM
Wednesday


Zelensky reposted a 2018 statement by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, which reads:

“The United States reaffirms as policy its refusal to recognize the Kremin's claims of sovereignty over territory seized by force.”

Buns_of_Fire

(18,372 posts)
12. Less a "final offer" than a "final solution" (for those familiar with the term).
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 04:57 AM
Yesterday

Krasnov has no business in any so-called negotiation between Russia and anybody. Under him, the US is not an "honest broker."

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