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struggle4progress

(125,385 posts)
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 06:43 PM Apr 2025

rump's "final offer" for peace requires Ukraine to accept Russian occupation

Barak Ravid

... Trump's proposal would require major concessions from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, who previously ruled out accepting Russia's occupation of Crimea and parts of four regions in eastern Ukraine.

And while Russian President Vladimir Putin has reportedly offered to freeze the current front lines in order to reach a deal, he has previously rejected other elements of the U.S. framework, such as a European peacekeeping force on Ukrainian territory.

A source close to the Ukrainian government said Kyiv sees the proposal as highly biased towards Russia: "The proposal says very clearly what tangible gains Russia gets, but only vaguely and generally says what Ukraine is going to get" ...

https://www.axios.com/2025/04/22/trump-russia-ukraine-peace-plan-crimea-donbas

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rump's "final offer" for peace requires Ukraine to accept Russian occupation (Original Post) struggle4progress Apr 2025 OP
trump can not think beyond a transaction. cachukis Apr 2025 #1
huffin and puffin'...just wait a few days and the tune will change. he cannot follow thru anything nt msongs Apr 2025 #2
There is NO way Ukraine would accept this sakabatou Apr 2025 #3
Whatever they agree to, he won't honor the agreement. Scrivener7 Apr 2025 #4
Exactly! SheltieLover Apr 2025 #8
I wonder if they could fake him out... BigmanPigman Apr 2025 #10
He is, but his handlers are meticulous. SheltieLover Apr 2025 #11
Damn, you are right though. BigmanPigman Apr 2025 #13
Trump blames Zelenskyy for peace talk collapse struggle4progress Apr 2025 #5
I don't think we are part of it anymore... lame54 Apr 2025 #6
Trump, forever Putin's useful idiot. J_William_Ryan Apr 2025 #7
Zelensky reposted a 2018 statement by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2025 #9
Less a "final offer" than a "final solution" (for those familiar with the term). Buns_of_Fire Apr 2025 #12

msongs

(73,086 posts)
2. huffin and puffin'...just wait a few days and the tune will change. he cannot follow thru anything nt
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 06:51 PM
Apr 2025

BigmanPigman

(54,593 posts)
10. I wonder if they could fake him out...
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 01:56 AM
Apr 2025

Maybe a reverse barometer sort of thing? He seems so helter skelter all the time that I think it would be easy to screw him up and be successful. He's REALLY that dumb and scattered.

struggle4progress

(125,385 posts)
5. Trump blames Zelenskyy for peace talk collapse
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 06:58 PM
Apr 2025

High-level peace talks aimed at ending the war in Ukraine collapsed on Wednesday after Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff chose not to attend meetings in London.

J_William_Ryan

(3,343 posts)
7. Trump, forever Putin's useful idiot.
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:21 PM
Apr 2025

Trump wants to reward his friend and ally Putin for launching an illegal invasion killing thousands, including civilians; that Trump wants to appease a war criminal comes as no surprise, Trump’s a criminal himself.

LetMyPeopleVote

(175,036 posts)
9. Zelensky reposted a 2018 statement by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo,
Wed Apr 23, 2025, 07:47 PM
Apr 2025


Zelensky reposted a 2018 statement by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, which reads:

“The United States reaffirms as policy its refusal to recognize the Kremin's claims of sovereignty over territory seized by force.”

Buns_of_Fire

(19,013 posts)
12. Less a "final offer" than a "final solution" (for those familiar with the term).
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 03:57 AM
Apr 2025

Krasnov has no business in any so-called negotiation between Russia and anybody. Under him, the US is not an "honest broker."

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