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applegrove

(125,762 posts)
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 08:23 AM Yesterday

Paul Krugman: Chaos Is About to Take Its Toll

Chaos Is About to Take Its Toll

April 24, 2025 at 7:35 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 36 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2025/04/24/chaos-is-about-to-take-its-toll/



Paul Krugman: “It has been amazing to watch the stock market gyrating in response to things that aren’t even policy changes — they’re hints and rumors of policy changes. Today’s Washington Post has an article with the headline ‘White House eases tone on tariffs on China but won’t be cutting them soon.’ OK, how much does the change in ‘tone’ tell you about what will actually happen?”

“Why, then, did stocks rise on this non-news? I’d say that the market is like someone caught in an abusive relationship — still in denial, seizing on every hint of decency as evidence that their partner is really changing their ways.”

“Apparently investors and the news media still haven’t learned that you can’t read supposed insider reports on administration thinking the way you could in a normal administration — as indications of where the policy process is headed. There is no policy process. Trump will zigzag based on who talked to him last.”

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Paul Krugman: Chaos Is About to Take Its Toll (Original Post) applegrove Yesterday OP
The extortionist and his gang are making billions from his market manipulations dalton99a Yesterday #1
That's the approach to life now. Be nimble. bucolic_frolic Yesterday #2
"abusive relationship" markie Yesterday #3
They are actually know nothings Johnny2X2X 23 hrs ago #4
SOMEBODY is making a fortune from the market fluctuations Martin Eden 22 hrs ago #5
The Trump family is profiting hugely from this market manipulation. Lonestarblue 21 hrs ago #12
I'll dash off a letter to Pam Bondi, demanding indictments Martin Eden 20 hrs ago #13
I have it on quite good authority dickthegrouch 13 hrs ago #20
OK, now I realize my mistake. Martin Eden 11 hrs ago #22
All I know is this... MadScout 22 hrs ago #6
Which country did your supplies come from? MLAA 21 hrs ago #8
Would Be Nice modrepub 21 hrs ago #10
They keep changing it IronLionZion 21 hrs ago #11
I don't know how they haven't learned this lessen yet. It's mindboggling to me. Raftergirl 22 hrs ago #7
The boy who cried wolf.... Amaryllis 21 hrs ago #9
It's a casino now ... and Trump's history with casinos is disastrous. live love laugh 20 hrs ago #14
"Trump will zigzag based on who talked to him last." LudwigPastorius 20 hrs ago #15
I hear you - but he's not actually that strong. soldierant 14 hrs ago #19
Summer of 2025 pbmus 16 hrs ago #16
"... news media still haven't learned that you can't read supposed insider reports on administration ..." erronis 15 hrs ago #17
If the market were based on actual facts it wouldn't react so stupid mdbl 15 hrs ago #18
'the apprentice' was all bullshit. they edited the chaos. pansypoo53219 12 hrs ago #21
It's like the stock market is dancing to "YMCA" Blue Owl 9 hrs ago #23

bucolic_frolic

(49,937 posts)
2. That's the approach to life now. Be nimble.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 08:31 AM
Yesterday

Take opportunities if you see them. When they show you a few % or a two day or two week move, take it. Rinse and repeat.

markie

(23,314 posts)
3. "abusive relationship"
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 08:35 AM
Yesterday

yes, it is an abusive relationship... not knowing when the next harsh word or beating will come... I used to shelter abused women in my home and I am all too familiar with the relationships... women would sometimes go back though.... until the kids started getting hurt....????

Johnny2X2X

(22,773 posts)
4. They are actually know nothings
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 09:19 AM
23 hrs ago

Trump is so fickle that he changes positions with the wind.

The economy cannot take this type of leaderless chaos. A recession has already been caused no matter what happens going forward.

Martin Eden

(14,172 posts)
5. SOMEBODY is making a fortune from the market fluctuations
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 10:34 AM
22 hrs ago

Let's remember three things about The Felon:

He's a megalomaniacal malignant narcissist.

He's a grifter.

He's a Russian asset, if not agent.

All three, but especially the last two, help to explain his tariff vacillations.

Lonestarblue

(12,558 posts)
12. The Trump family is profiting hugely from this market manipulation.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 11:46 AM
21 hrs ago

As are those in Trump’s inner circle who know when he is changing the rules.

Martin Eden

(14,172 posts)
13. I'll dash off a letter to Pam Bondi, demanding indictments
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 12:25 PM
20 hrs ago

And to Mike Johnson, demanding impeachment.

And to Santa Clause, because I'm more likely to get what I want from him.

dickthegrouch

(3,986 posts)
20. I have it on quite good authority
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 07:59 PM
13 hrs ago

(My parents)
That Mr Claus is rather conservative and prone to giving poor spellers (particularly of his name) coal.
Therefore I doubt you are more likely to get what you want from him.

Martin Eden

(14,172 posts)
22. OK, now I realize my mistake.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 09:44 PM
11 hrs ago

I had him confused with the Sanity Clause, which should be a requirement for high office.

MadScout

(9 posts)
6. All I know is this...
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 10:53 AM
22 hrs ago

Despite the “pause” on tariffs I still was charged 32% on my latest inventory order.

When I question DHL about it, they gave me 3 different answers. I heard it was 32%, 25% and 10%

Meaning they have no clue.

What it meant for me was an extra $2,000 in supply cost.

MLAA

(19,138 posts)
8. Which country did your supplies come from?
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 11:13 AM
21 hrs ago

Damn, I’m so sorry to hear you had such a huge impact. How much of that increase do you think you can recoup without losing sales?

modrepub

(3,822 posts)
10. Would Be Nice
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 11:16 AM
21 hrs ago

If the media abandon talking to Washington talking heads and Stock Market gurus and actually talked with people like you who are trying to deal with this directly. Some hard data on what’s actually happening on the ground is more useful than covering a feckless, fickle orange clown.

IronLionZion

(48,557 posts)
11. They keep changing it
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 11:31 AM
21 hrs ago

the inconsistency is screwing up a lot of business planning causing some to hold back until it settles down

LudwigPastorius

(12,261 posts)
15. "Trump will zigzag based on who talked to him last."
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 01:00 PM
20 hrs ago

It's more likely that Trump will zigzag based on whether he told Donny Jr. to buy or sell the previous day.

Once Trump figured out that he can make the market jump like a frog connected to a car battery with just a tweet, he's not going to pass up the opportunity to make bank off of it.

soldierant

(8,406 posts)
19. I hear you - but he's not actually that strong.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 06:13 PM
14 hrs ago

Particularly now, when he's seeing polls and his appeoval ratingdrop like a slasher's victim. There is evidence that in fact he has zigzagged based on the last person he has talked to. Not every time, but enough to get noticed.

erronis

(19,167 posts)
17. "... news media still haven't learned that you can't read supposed insider reports on administration ..."
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 05:45 PM
15 hrs ago

Paul Krugman should know that the media is complicit (and probably profiting) from the flatulence emanating from this white house. If the media didn't pass the stink on to the populace then the pump-and-dump scheme wouldn't work.

mdbl

(6,275 posts)
18. If the market were based on actual facts it wouldn't react so stupid
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 05:46 PM
15 hrs ago

Problem is it's turned into a big casino of greed with very little foundation in finance. Someone has to lose for someone to win.

pansypoo53219

(22,124 posts)
21. 'the apprentice' was all bullshit. they edited the chaos.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 09:10 PM
12 hrs ago

no. i never watched it cause i read SPY + i can't stand the short fingered vulgarian.

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