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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDavid Hogg is being paid a six figure salary by his PAC and may be using DNC emails to raise money for this PAC
Hogg's pac raised $11.9 million and $10.7 million went to operating expenses including his salary
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Raised $11.9m
Spent $10.9m
Salaries: $608k (w 2/founders)
Consultants: $3m
Donations to House Candidates: $12.6k
Since Hogg's election to the DNC, I have been getting a good number of emails from Hogg and his pac. I am not the only one
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I had never received any emails from Hogg prior to his election to the DNC.
It is wrong for Hogg to use the DNC contact list to raise money to pay his salary and to challenge democratic incumbent candidates

msongs
(71,128 posts)Meowmee
(8,713 posts)Which also pays him a large salary. Ultimately the source is less important than the fact that he is breaking a neutrality agreement, and trying to use his position to primary dems he doesnt approve of. If he wants to do this, he should resign and do it on his own time.
David Hogg-run group announces $20M initiative to support primary challengers to House Democrats
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/david-hogg-run-group-announces-20m-initiative-support/story?id=120861846
Lovie777
(18,089 posts)Sewa
(1,407 posts)Hogg has the Institutionist Dems running scared. Good for him.
Btw whats wrong with giving Democratic voters more choice. Ultimately it comes down to the voters to decide, if they are given a choice of candidates.
brush
(59,620 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 25, 2025, 12:02 PM - Edit history (1)
a majority in the House or Senate. What should be done is going after rethugs in purple districts, or in blue districts Biden won.
Getting the majority to be able to get bills to the floor and passed is WHAT'S IMPORTANT. Subbing one Dem for one Hogg prefers is get us nowhere.
It's not complicated.
Hogg is turning out to be a disappointment but he makes sure he feathers his own nest with nice. hefty salary.
Again, a disappointment.
iemanja
(55,862 posts)which many are committed to repeating ad infinitum.
brush
(59,620 posts)Out of power.
Why don't you get that? We have to defeat republicans, not other Dems SO WE GET THE MAJORITY and then are able get control of bills to the floor and pass them. Also we stop rethugs from controlling the House and giving trump what he wants.
Not that complicated.
iemanja
(55,862 posts)That is what continues with the status quo. Why do you think keeping older Democrats in office when the public wants new blood is going to turn out better than 2024? You've given no reason as to why the status quo gets us anything better than 2024,
brush
(59,620 posts)Defeat magat republicans, not Democrats. Not complicated. Getting the majority is the whole point.
iemanja
(55,862 posts)Any Democrat will lose so why bother? That's what it sounds like. Again, you haven't given a single reason why repeating the status quo will result in anything different from 2024. You also haven't explained how introducing some new Democrats won't help, other than new Democrats won't do any better than the existing ones. How about primarying the ones who don't stand up to fascism? Is that an anathema to you too? Are you suggesting elected Democrats deserve a seat for life? I recalled these arguments being used against AOC, despite the fact it was a safe Democratic seat. People just couldn't bear a change.
Keepthesoulalive
(1,183 posts)I can name 2 younger senators Sinema who helped to destroy some of Bidens agenda and Fetterman who slobbers all over trump . New blood that is self serving only helps republicans. Wanting something new and shiny will not fix our problems. Only hard work and vetting the best candidate for the job no matter where they land on the age spectrum will fix our country.
iemanja
(55,862 posts)While someone new isnt of itself necessarily an improvement, if they take a seat from a Democrat who wont stand up to fascism, it is. Elections are meant to be democratic. We do not have a House of Lords: the notion that elected representatives should serve for life uncontested is undemocratic. The claim that a primary is the same as voting for a Republican is false. Of course we will all vote for the Democrats in the GE.
Fascism is the single issue of our time. Resisting it is all that matters.
sheshe2
(91,503 posts)What age do you and David (25) consider old and in the way? What is the cut off, 40 50 60?
Here are a few. Do we get rid of them too?
Corey Booker 55
Elizabeth Warren 75
Bernie Sanders 83
Nancy Pelosi 85
brush
(59,620 posts)gets us closer to a majority in the House in '26 than whatever it is you're going on about.
This site is about electing Dems, not primarying sitting Dems.
Again, gaining the majoority to stop trump is the priority. There's nothing hard to understand about that.
Nixie
(17,609 posts)from what is politically called useful idiots.
Look at the California senate race with Katie Porter and Adam Schiff. She attacked a well-polling, dominant, popular Democrat for over a year with absolute nonsensical gibberish about corruption and all the other cool buzzwords they think they have to attack Democrats. It was not about giving voters a choice. It was about pushing a losing and failed narrative against our candidates. And they want DNC money for this
The democrats in congress now aren't standing up to Trump they way they should be. They should all be up in arms instead of doing nothing. They aren't serving their constituents by doing that. We need some strong people running the show, not people who 'may' send a slightly strongly worded letter about things.
We need some fresh blood in congress that will actually fight for us. Those who refuse need to move on.
brush
(59,620 posts)to fuck up the economy and our majority.
100%
W_HAMILTON
(8,926 posts)(2) People like David Hogg have been critical in the past of even mere ALLEGATIONS of the same sort of biased influence he is now himself trying to exert as a DNC leader. It's insanely hypocritical.
(3) Who the hell is David Hogg to foist a candidate upon voters? There is nothing precluding anyone from running in Democratic primaries -- hell, given some of our recent ones, you don't even need to be a Democrat... *cough cough*
Just because David Hogg doesn't approve of the job that someone is doing doesn't mean their ACTUAL CONSTITUENTS think the same. And -- as we've seen with Sinema and now it looks like Fetterman is next -- when someone's constituents turn on them, the voters know how to get rid of them. They don't need a random 20-something-year-old telling them who they should vote for instead.
Cha
(309,872 posts)

Mountainguy
(1,735 posts)"Institutionist Dems"
sheshe2
(91,503 posts)Thank you in advance.
betsuni
(27,800 posts)vibe that "anti-establishment" has. I don't think "Institutionist Dems" is going to happen.
Also too, Cenk and his '60s band-PAC The Super-Populist Rebellions aren't pretending to be democratic socialists anymore. They finally gave up on making that happen (now that nobody running for president has to pretend FDR/LBJ were democratic socialists so the only true Democrat must be a socialist, too). Now they're admitting to being capitalists by calling themselves progressive capitalists.
rich7862
(450 posts)GaYellowDawg
(4,956 posts)nm
Oopsie Daisy
(5,615 posts)Maybe he's found his calling.
sheshe2
(91,503 posts)
Oopsie Daisy
(5,615 posts)I don't know for sure, but it seems to me that it's easier for a politician to regularly and repeatedly return to the money-well if they promise to "split" the donation with some other group, cause or candidate. I guess that way, it kinda sounds altruistic. Maybe it has a psychological effect by making them appear to be less greedy since they're only keeping half for themselves. Apparently this is an effective and efficient way to encourage the donor is to loosen their purse strings, yet again. (Nice work if you can get it.)
ILikePie92
(80 posts)...the knives are out for David. Guess that's what happens when you piss off those in power.
I'm sure there's a whole group of people looking for dirt on him now.
Same old circular DNC firing squad.
We're only hurting ourselves doing this.
I heard him out during several interviews on TV. His plan doesn't sound that crazy to me.
Isn't there a rule on here against disparaging fellow Dems?
brush
(59,620 posts)delisen
(6,943 posts)betsuni
(27,800 posts)Insist that it's just little tiny itty bitty $27 donations (still pure even if the legal limit is reached by donating numerous times, but if a Democrat receives the legal limit all at once it's an immoral corrupting bribe from Satan).
If he's using a DNC contact list, doesn't it have Establishment cooties?
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betsuni
(27,800 posts)laws regulating Wall Street. No. They gave their money to Mitt Romney next election, why Michael Moore predicted Mitt would win, because he had more money. So what? You just fundraise elsewhere. Money doesn't guarantee winning, it can't force anyone to vote a certain way.
Campaign finance reform is a Democratic issue and all candidates ran on it.
What Democrats changed policy because of campaign contributions? Who?
Democrats don't listen because of lobster and champagne.
iemanja
(55,862 posts)and actually win elections?
Keepthesoulalive
(1,183 posts)Hes in his 70s should we primary him, he also brings in money to help his district. Lets try and run a clear headed campaign to get rid of trump , not some knee jerk magic potion. Young does not mean good old does not mean bad.
We need competent leadership and dont give a fig about age.
iemanja
(55,862 posts)Which you well know.
Keepthesoulalive
(1,183 posts)This discussion about new blood only seems to discriminate because of age and time in congress.
I would appreciate who he feels should be primaried ,list please or is it left up to him to decide who our candidates should be.
mcar
(44,480 posts)Disappointing.
Deuxcents
(21,884 posts)Interview that I wish I knew how to pull up. Texas Towelie posted it but its on YouTube, too. If you watch it, I dont believe you will walk away with the same opinion youve just posted here.
mcar
(44,480 posts)only $266,000 was spent on campaigns.
That is grift, pure and simple.
ananda
(31,533 posts)I haven't donated a red cent to anyone since the election.
I'm hunkering down now and trying to save money.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,224 posts)Good thing is that he's used to dealing with that.
MorbidButterflyTat
(2,849 posts)Celerity
(49,464 posts)MagickMuffin
(17,572 posts)Have we traveled back in time.
We should be working together on how to advance our election strategy. I think David Hogg should focus on unchallenged seats. Get younger people to run against republicans that dont have a democratic opponent.
As far as the pac goes and using the dncs email list I believe is wrong, and he should be penalized for that, whatever that is.
Id hate to see the Democratic Party run him off when he could and can be a valuable asset to the party.
MichMan
(14,957 posts)I know it has only been 10 days since I filed.
flvegan
(64,910 posts)LudwigPastorius
(12,262 posts)getting David Hogg into office.
He's stated that he will run for Congress when he turns 25. I just don't know what seat he's going to try for.
MichMan
(14,957 posts)I sure as hell wouldn't give them a penny and would find a better use for it like my local animal rescue group.
Good luck raising the $20 million he is proposing
fujiyamasan
(43 posts)And we all know if we saw a figure less sympathetic than Hogg doing this, thats the word that would be used to describe this.
Another word to describe would be scam. Perhaps thats harsh, so Ill stick with grift.
valleyrogue
(2,021 posts)Meowmee
(8,713 posts)Does anyone know what he is being paid by DNC? I know for sure that I and a friend both received emails from him last week asking for money. And neither of us ever signed up for the emails for that pac so they had to come from a DNC mailing list.
MichMan
(14,957 posts)His PAC is named appropriately
William769
(58,766 posts)In with the new? Yea right.
JustAnotherGen
(34,709 posts)That's a critical question.
Also - that's unethical.
JohnSJ
(98,481 posts)Jose Garcia
(3,163 posts)That's a pretty high overhead.
claudette
(5,297 posts)is really getting on my nerves. I'm glad he survived the school shooting, but for gawd's sake - get OUT of Dem politics now!
mike_c
(36,529 posts)...to raise funds for your salary. That is not uncommon.