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LetMyPeopleVote

(161,973 posts)
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 06:43 PM 18 hrs ago

Maddow Blog-The White House makes an offer Ukraine had no choice but to refuse

How one-sided is Donald Trump's plan for peace in Ukraine? A Democratic senator called the Republican "the Neville Chamberlain of our time.”
https://bsky.app/profile/maddow.msnbc.com/post/3lnlhignojc2f

"One NATO official, when asked for a reaction to the plan, replied, 'Did Putin write this for him?'...”



https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/white-house-makes-offer-ukraine-no-choice-refuse-rcna202802

All of these developments were quite notable, though let’s not miss the forest for the trees: More than three years into the most devastating war in Europe since World War II, the public is just now getting a sense of what the White House has in mind for a proposed resolution. And what, pray tell, has Team Trump put on the table? The New York Times reported:

President Trump and his top aides demanded on Wednesday that Ukraine accede to an American-designed proposal that would essentially grant Russia all the territory it has gained in the war, while offering Kyiv only vague security assurances. The American plan, which would also explicitly block Ukraine from ever joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, was rejected by President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine. ... The proposal also appears to call for the United States to recognize Russia’s 2014 takeover of Crimea, a region of Ukraine.


The “plan” (I’m using the word loosely) might as well have been crafted by the Kremlin. Indeed, one NATO official, when asked for a reaction to the plan, replied, “Did Putin write this for him?”

If implemented, Russia would get to keep the Ukrainian land it seized by force — an extraordinary reward for launching an unprovoked invasion on its neighbor — while Ukraine would be prohibited from joining NATO, further cementing one of Moscow’s principal goals.

Complicating matters, such a resolution would be at odds with American law: As a Politico report noted, in 2022, Congress barred any U.S. recognition of Ukrainian territory annexed by Russia.

The measure was written by a Republican senator from Florida named Marco Rubio — three years before he became Trump’s secretary of state.

If recent history is any guide, the White House will continue to suggest that Zelenskyy, by brushing away the Trump administration’s one-sided solution, is standing in the way of an agreement. But no one should be fooled, the American president and his team presented an offer that Ukraine had no choice but to refuse.

Democratic Sen. Adam Schiff of California characterized the proposal as Trump’s latest “surrender to a murderous dictator,” adding, “More ‘peace in our time,’ from the Neville Chamberlain of our time.
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Maddow Blog-The White House makes an offer Ukraine had no choice but to refuse (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote 18 hrs ago OP
from today's Luckovich Norrrm 18 hrs ago #1
Recognizing Russia's 2014 takeover of Crimea moondust 18 hrs ago #2
Europe must step up to the plate and help Ukraine. Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #3
Donald talked tough on Crimea when he was not in power to do something about it. Norrrm 17 hrs ago #4
That is honestly unfair to Chamberlain dsc 16 hrs ago #5

moondust

(20,840 posts)
2. Recognizing Russia's 2014 takeover of Crimea
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 07:12 PM
18 hrs ago

would require a change to Ukraine's constitution and approval by a vote of the Ukrainian people, according to a retired diplomat I saw on BBC.

Pooty Pie does not want Ukraine in NATO not because it would be a threat to Russia but because it would block his imperialistic project of rebuilding the old Russian/Soviet empire.

Russian imperialism

Irish_Dem

(68,580 posts)
3. Europe must step up to the plate and help Ukraine.
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 07:27 PM
18 hrs ago

If Ukraine falls, the rest of Europe is in danger.

dsc

(52,882 posts)
5. That is honestly unfair to Chamberlain
Thu Apr 24, 2025, 09:13 PM
16 hrs ago

England and France had strong memories of WW1 and would have had to send soldiers to defend Albania, Czechloslakia, and Ethiopia and had economies that were in the toilet. Conversely we spent maybe 10% of our defense spending and sent no troops and have seen Russia's military get decimated. Chamberlain oversold a policy designed to buy time (which it actually did) while Trump is just being a traitor.

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