In hindsight DHS was a bad idea

[malaise]

Discuss

[Clouds Passing]

1. Hmmm? Who else used the term Homeland? 🤔

[Ping Tung]

14. In this case, Vaterland, would be more appropriate.

[elleng]

2. ALWAYS was, MUCH too large,

uncontrollable

[biophile]

3. For some, it isn't hindsight

Many predicted this would be a bad idea. Too powerful and no restraints. Just do whatever to “protect” the Homeland, legal or not; moral or not.

[brush]

26. It's FBI territory. But that agency has has historically bad leadership since it's founding...

Hoover to Comey to Patel...God!

[William769]

4. No shit Sherlock.

[malaise]

10. LOL! How are you doing?

[William769]

13. Hanging in there my friend.

[Ms. Toad]

5. Hindsight?

Some of us knew it was a bad thing at the time it was created.

[Polybius]

25. This!

I can't believe that it passed the Senate 90-9.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1072/vote_107_2_00249.htm

[Midwestern Democrat]

28. It passed during the post 9/11 hysteria period - I'm pretty sure many of the Democratic Senators who voted yes knew

better but were persuaded that it was best for the Democratic Party's political fortunes to pander to the hysteria.

[bucolic_frolic]

6. From the get-go it smacked of nation-terms of Stalin and Hitler

Russia 'the Motherland', of course Germany 'the Fatherland'

In a country with a national security apparatus, why did they need a separate agency, an unbridled growth state entity for small-minded politicians? Have they solved any terrorist cases? Ones that NSA/CIA/FBI/DOJ couldn't handle?

[The Revolution]

21. These terms go way back

The Romans had "patria", related to 'pater' (father).

[Prairie Gates]

7. Most of us thought it was a bad idea at the time, to be fair

[Srkdqltr]

8. I remember a lot of people didn't like it. They were right.

[MIButterfly]

9. When they first announced the opening of the Department of Homeland Security,

I turned to my mother and said "Just like Nazi Germany - da homeland" in my best German accent. And here we are.

[malaise]

11. Yep

Rec

[newdeal2]

12. I agree, but would it matter in this case?

Trump has his stooges and yes men (and women) installed in all of the agencies and departments. Republicans approved them.

[JI7]

16. Right, just like ethics laws aren't stopping him.

[JI7]

15. Gore should have been President

but even with everything that has happened there will be people that claim no difference in 2028 between the Democratic and Republican candidates.

They will pick out certain votes or things and ignore the larger picture.

[RoeVWade]

22. Bush went with that name, but I wonder if someone else suggested it. I'd like to know who it was, if so.

nt*

[ms liberty]

18. I noped out when they created it and named it "Homeland"

[WhiskeyGrinder]

19. Abolish it all

😌

[travelingthrulife]

20. Also a bad idea in foresight...

[lastlib]

23. When it was created by GWB....

I was calling it the "KGWB"---mashup of "KGB" (which it resembled) and "GWB" (who created it). And Tom Ridge just looked like a Soviet Commisar--without the battle ribbons.

Maybe now it should be called the "KG-T-B" in a nod to the Crime Minister, who usually likes it when his name is on something.

[Solly Mack]

24. Always was a horrible idea.

[moniss]

27. After 9/11 I lost friends

who got angry with me because I warned that overreaction was our greatest danger. Here we are after creating the monster of DHS.