I would like to know who

[kacekwl]

These assholes are who are destroying property and blocking streets. June 14th and similar protests are not going to work if this shit keeps up. This is going to be our only chance against these fuckers and I don't want to see whoever they are to ruin it. Does anyone know who they are ? The news is all over this and we who want this to succeed are being dragged into the coverage. This has to stop and I guess if we want to be effective and taken seriously we have to stop it. Not good at all.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

1. When you say "not going to work," what does that look like? What do you think the June 14 protest will do?

[LisaL]

4. I am curious also.

What exactly do people think June 14th protests are going to accomplish? I am not against June 14th protests by any means, but exactly is the accomplishment is supposed to be?

[gab13by13]

6. The June 14 protests are essential,

They are being organized by numerous groups, they will draw protests in the multi-millions of people.

The No King protests are better than watching dear leader's parade on TV.

They will eventually get publicity, of course the shiny object on June 14th will get the coverage .

[WhiskeyGrinder]

7. I know what they are. But I'm wondering what the OP means by saying that the current actions in LA are going

to make the June 14 protests "not work."

[gab13by13]

10. Ah, I see,

Maybe I should post the video of a TV reporter who is covering the LA protests getting shot in the leg by a rubber bullet.

The vast majority of the protests in La are peaceful.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. It's been posted a few times already.

[kacekwl]

19. They won't be effective because

they will be equated with violent destructive "protests" not for the intended purpose.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

21. Effective in *doing what.* Changing public opinion? Activating newly engaged people? Building mutual aid communities?

Making people feel good and united?

People participate in rallies for all sorts of reasons. And people make assumptions about others participating. I’m digging into that, because I’m curious.

[kacekwl]

22. Sorry, not playing today.

[kacekwl]

17. Are you serious ?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

18. I am. Don't get me wrong, collective action is powerful. But when you say something that's happening in LA means that

June 14th and similar protests are not going to work if this shit keeps up

, that's not clear to me. *How* won't they "work" if people demonstrate in other areas? What outcome do you think will not be reached if "this shit keeps up"?

[IA8IT]

2. lay hands on bad actors and crowd surf them to police

[bucolic_frolic]

3. You mean like are they hired actors? Or just opportunists?

Don't know yet.

[Wingus Dingus]

5. When you need violence on video to declare martial law, you make sure it happens.

That's all I'm going to say. They didn't stage all of this only to send everyone home.

[taxi]

8. MIHOP

Make it happen on purpose (for those unfamiliar with the term)

[Wingus Dingus]

9. Absolutely. And the very artistic/staged shots of masked men standing

on tops of cars or doing donuts in the fiery aftermath with Mexican flags, nice touch everyone. I mean, just perfect photo ops.

[gab13by13]

11. Yeah, I see where you are going,

like the video of the TV reporter getting shot in the leg by a rubber bullet. Is that some of the violence you speak of?

[Wingus Dingus]

13. No, I don't think that was staged. That cop got pissed that he was being filmed, I think.

But I do think some of this is being staged. Just as I am still skeptical of the Butler/ear incident. They're all showmanship for their stupid followers, all the time.

[taxi]

16. They show up in their ghillie suits, undetected and unsuspected.

Then away they go, stripping off activist outfits to become protesters. Then after working their way to the sidelines, they strip again, all the way down to their beloved brown shirts.

[doc03]

14. When you get thousands protesting how can

you can you stop a few bad actors? They may have even been Trump supporters who knows.

[BootinUp]

15. Peter Coyote writes

I’m watching the Los Angeles reaction to ICE raids with trepidation and regret. Three years ago I taught a class at Harvard on the “theater of protest”— designed to help people understand why so many protests turn out to be Republican campaign videos working directly against the interests of the original protest.

A protest is an invitation to a better world. It’s a ceremony. No one accepts a ceremonial invitation when they’re being screamed at. More important you have to know who the real audience Of the protestis. The audience is NEVER the police, the politicians, the Board of supervisors, The Congress,etc. The audience is always the American people, who are trying to decide who they can trust; who will not embarrass them. If you win them, you win power at the box office And power to make positive change.Everything else is a waste. There are a few ways to get there.

continued
https://substack.com/@petercoyote1/note/c-124092006

[Silent Type]

20. 50501 type protests are what we need. Unfortunately, trump will gain approval if LA continues like this.

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