I was wondering what people's opinion is about a Beshear/Crockett ticket.

[Nonnia Bisnez]

I think it would appeal to a lot of people we need to to win. Besbear is a popular red state governor who isn't a conservadem. Crockett is a whip smart progressive representative who isn't afraid to confront the opposition on issues. Beshear is a young X and Crockett is an older millenial; perfect for appealing to younger voters. Beshear has executive experience and is used to working with a hostile legislature. Crokett hasn't been made a progressive bogeyman the way that AOC has, and she has proven she can quickly takedown a hostile Republican. Your thoughts?

[EYESORE 9001]

1. Not bad at first glance

So much to occur between now and then. I’ll keep this matchup in mind for future reference.

[Iris]

47. I read Betty Crocker at first glance!

[brush]

53. My opinion also. Rep. Crockett, AOC and Rep. Raskin probably need to get to the Senate IMO first...

to rise to the level of the presidential ticket though.

[Vinca]

2. Beshear maybe. Crockett no. I absolutely love her, but it doesn't feel like the right time.

[Trueblue1968]

39. I love her but it is a no from me. We need a seasoned person. She is great but it is a no for me.

I want a Gabby Gifford acting lady. I still want Harris !!!

[Vinca]

40. I think Harris would have made an exceptional POTUS. It's a shame so many American voters are idiots.

[Music Man]

3. Kentuckian here. We love Andy Beshear! I don't sense that he's a great national figure, personality-wise, but we'll see.

As to Crockett, she's still in her first term (in the House, no less), and in my humble opinion, has proven nothing.

[calguy]

7. Agree 100%

These are two very good people, but definitely not ready for the national stage, for all the reasons you just mentioned.

A car better ticket would be Governor Newsom of California running with Governor Pritzker of Illinois. Doesn't really matter to me which one is in the top spot. They both would make great presidents.

[Wanderlust988]

10. How is a 2-term governor...the most popular Democratic governor in the nation not ready

for the national stage?? I guess you said that about Obama too?

[get the red out]

12. His resume

I think Andy Beshear has almost the identical resume that Bill Clinton had when he first ran, but I might be mistaken.

[Wanderlust988]

29. Yes, the same as Bill Clinton. It's ludicrous for someone to say he's not ready to be president.

You may not like him or plan to support him, but it's not correct to say he's not ready.

[calguy]

51. It's not lucicrous at all to say he's not ready for the national stage

It's simply expressing an honest opinion about his chance to win the presidency.

[bottomofthehill]

13. Two term Governor and 1term Attorney General

Not only does he have the educational credentials, he has the real life experience.

[Music Man]

15. Don't get me wrong: EXCELLENT governor, would be an outstanding president.

I'm just saying we'll have to see how he does through a national campaign/primary. For instance, when he was on Harris' shortlist for VP, he did some interviews and stump speeches during that time (perhaps as trial runs?), and his appearances seemed rather rehearsed, out of central casting. They didn't go with him, of course.

I adore the man--this is why we have primaries, is all.

[Wanderlust988]

30. We'll have to see how ALL candidates handle a primary. Pritzer and Newsom haven't had a primary either.

[pinkstarburst]

42. Correct. This is really all just a fun exercise

in what could be until we see how these people perform running in their own primary. We can speculate that so and so would do great because they're a white straight male from a red state, but it may turn out they don't play well with voters on a national stage. Or maybe they do.

Kamala Harris has every last quality on paper to be the perfect president. Yet she never clicked with voters in the 2020 primary and dropped out early. One reason the 2024 election didn't go well was due to low democratic voter turnout. We can say someone would be perfect because they are a millennial, and hope that would equal millennial votes, but we have no way of knowing if an AOC or a Jasmine Crockett would result in millennials actually voting for them until we test it out. There was lots of buzz about how if Hillary picked Julian Castro, that would bring in young voters and Hispanic voters. She went with Kaine. But when Castro ran in his own primary in 2020, he also dropped out early, failing to drum up support.

Being young, or female, or a white male who might theoretically appeal to conservative voters, or from a certain swing state, doesn't necessarily mean a candidate will bring in votes from that demographic or bring in votes at all. We need to keep an open mind, and also keep a sharp eye on the primary, looking at how candidates actually perform, not how they have the theoretical possibility of performing.

[calguy]

24. If he's so popular nationwide

why doesn't he publicly join the fight against the trump crowd like Newsom and Pritzker have done?

[Wanderlust988]

28. He preaches against Trump everyday, but he doesn't have Chicago or LA media markets to help

Put it out.

[calguy]

49. That's exactly my point

He’s a great governor, I’m sure, and I like what he’s said, the FEW times I’ve seen him. My point is I think he lacks that certain carisma that both Clinton and Obama had.
Maybe has those qualities and I just haven't seen it yet, but that's why we have a primary campaign to make the case before the people. If he decides to run, I’ll certainly listen with an open mind, but at THIS point in time, I don't think he's electable on the national stage.

[demosincebirth]

33. As Californian, Newsom, at times, has leaned too far to the

left. Also, big budget short fall and homeless problem

[calguy]

50. Yes he has

and I despised the way he shot off his mouth when he was Mayor of San Francisco, but he has matured a lot since then. He’s one of the few voices on our side loudly opposing trump, and not afraid to shout it out loud. With all due respect to Governor Walz, Newsom and Pritzger are the strongest voices we have in today’s troubled times.

[Nonnia Bisnez]

14. He has a friendly demeanor.

He is as tough as nails. Bet doesn't come across as mean spirited. He also has a quick wit that will serve him well during press conferences/debated with Vance. Crockett would eviscerate Desantis.

[Polybius]

46. He has a friendly demeanor but doesn't come across as mean-spirited

That's true for him, but Crockett can come off as mean-spirited.

[MagickMuffin]

34. Actually Jasmine is serving her second term.

Jasmine Crockett
Member of the U.S. House of Representatives
from Texas's 30th district Incumbent

Assumed office January 3, 2023

Jasmine Felicia Crockett (born March 29, 1981) is an American lawyer and politician serving as the U.S. representative for Texas's 30th congressional district since January 2023. She is a member of the Democratic Party.

[Music Man]

37. I stand corrected. Thanks!

[Fiendish Thingy]

4. Crockett should be aiming for house leadership IMO

Beshear is probably one of two (Murphy being the other) who have best odds to win nomination and presidency, at this point.

[Javaman]

5. completely agree...

I think it a complete waste of her talents to run for prez.

[Nonnia Bisnez]

16. You don't think

she would accept if she were asked to be a running mate.

[Javaman]

19. I think she would be hard pressed to say no, but I think her talents would be much better utilized

as speaker.

[Nonnia Bisnez]

22. Yes but

There are loads of Dems in Congress who wold make a Good speaker. The presidency is much more important.

[MagickMuffin]

35. Rep. Crockett is running for the Oversight Committee Chair

I hope she is successful and gets it. She would be awesome. Plus she has Rep. Jamie Raskin mentoring her.

[Prairie Gates]

6. Beshear wouldn't even win Kentucky and Crocket would make sure we lose 46 states

A disaster that would doom the party for 30 years.

[Wanderlust988]

8. Actually, I think he could win Kentucky. He's that popular here. I think Kentucky would be a battleground state.

Even old, rural white dudes like him.

[kentuck]

9. Too early.

in my opinion.

[get the red out]

11. I love them both!

I am a Kentuckian so I REALLY love Andy!

[Nonnia Bisnez]

18. As a Cincinnatian, I do too.

[Nanjeanne]

17. There are so many great Democrats - but my preference is a robust primary and I make my decision on the policies

the candidates are promoting and, more importantly, willing to fight for.

I honestly don't know how anyone can have candidate preferences without knowing that - but that's probably just me.

[Hekate]

20. You are quite right. At this early stage, this exercise is more of a party game than a serious discussion.

[Nonnia Bisnez]

21. It's not too early

to start thinking about what we need in a candidate and which candidate fits the bill. I wish we were seriously thinking about 2024 in 2021 without just accepting that Biden would be the nomenee. No Mor Coronations!

[maxsolomon]

23. It's too early to be this specific.

Beshear will need to win the nomination.

"Welcome to DU".

[Nonnia Bisnez]

25. Glad to be here.

Yes, any candidate needs to go through the nominating process. But in the current political climate it's hard to not think about 28.

[Torchlight]

26. Tough to read the tea leaves this far out

The terrain will change, and we'll see who adapts best to it

Allow the prophets of 'I have absolute knowledge who is and isn't electable!' bleat on as white noise, and just keep eyes and ears open to the currents and eddies of the here and now for better context going into the campaign season.

[marble falls]

27. Crocket is POTUS material and at the right age, but I would much rather have her as Speaker of the House, ...

... or even more, in the Senate and Majority leader.

[MagickMuffin]

36. I'd love for her to run for Cornyn seat and win

But Cornyn has a Paxton issue to contend with before the general election.

However, Jasmine has thrown her hat in the ring for the Oversight Committee Chair, which I’d love to see her win.

[marble falls]

38. Cornyn might be tougher to beat than Paxton, who people loathe or love. Cornyn appeals to 'real' Republicans ...

... and Blue Dogs. I think she'd whip Paxton's ass and I'd like to say, "I helped."

[Polybius]

44. She'd lose by 20 points to either one of them

I doubt she would win the nomination though. The rumor is that Beto and Colin Allred are running again.

[marble falls]

45. Sez you.

[Polybius]

48. With my dire warnings and predictions from last year, I am well qualified to speak on this

She's way to far to the left to win a Texas statewide race, and comes across as mean, unlike Beto and Colin Allred. Beto is fairly liberal, but at least he comes across as a moderate, which is what you need to get a few Republican and indie votes. She doesn't. Allred is an unabashed moderate.

But I would be extremely surprised if she ran. So far she's given no indication.

[Polybius]

43. She couldn't win a statewide race in Texas to become a Senator

Even an extremely likable and moderate guy like Colin Allred lost to the unpopular Ted Cruz.

[Pris]

31. We don't need another male president

Full democracies require women as full particpants.

[pinkstarburst]

32. I want to see how BOTH perform in the primaries

I think there's the tendency to get overly focused on so-and-so, who could guarantee us this swing state for sure, or so-and-so could bring voters of this age, or whatever.

But we need to actually see how that candidate performs when they are running on their own in the primaries.

On paper, Kamala Harris is pretty much THE perfect candidate. But for whatever reason, democratic voters never warmed up to her in the 2020 primaries and we had low democratic turnout in 2024 compared to how dems turned out for Biden in 2020 (and we all know how that election turned out.)

When Hillary was looking to choose her VP, there was a lot of buzz around Julian Castro, saying he was young and Hispanic and could gain us huge turnout with young people and Hispanic voters. Clinton ultimately went with another choice. But then when Castro ran in the 2020 primaries, we observed that he couldn't even get to half a percentage point of support from voters. Being young and Hispanic himself did not automatically mean he was going to be a huge draw on the ticket for those demographics, or bring in votes.

So I realize that whoever wins in the primaries is the candidate and they're going to choose who they want. But choosing a running mate needs to be more than just about what state someone is from, or whether they're in the right age group or female or whatever. We could be soooo excited that Bob is going to get us Michigan because he's from Michigan, but if Bob can't even get 0.5% of the vote in the primary, Bob doesn't have the charisma or draw with voters on a national stage to add anything.

[Polybius]

41. Absolutely not Crockett

She can't be anywhere near the ticket if we want to win. Beshear/AOC would be far better. She's much more likable.

[JustAnotherGen]

52. Way too early for this

If the Regime doesn't end politically - we could be looking at an entirely different electorate and ways of electing. Including things like the removal of the electoral college and ranked choice voting . . . which would dramatically shift the electoral math and who is able to win.

Every day this regime continues - the more likely my gut says it ends in a non-political way.

[Alliepoo]

54. I was thinking more along the lines of

Pritzker/Beshear. I sincerely don’t believe that the US is progressive enough to put a female or a gay person on the ticket and expect a win.

[Nonnia Bisnez]

55. Absolute dream ticket

Pritzker/Buttigeig works too.