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womanofthehills

(9,848 posts)
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 10:22 AM Tuesday

Greta Thunberg after landing in Paris

🇵🇸 Greta Thunberg after landing in Paris:
We were kidnapped by Israel in international waters. There is a genocide going on in Gaza and a systematic starvation following a blockade.

There are no words to describe the betrayal that is happening every day by our own governments.


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Greta Thunberg after landing in Paris (Original Post) womanofthehills Tuesday OP
I feel for you ............... Lovie777 Tuesday #1
She tried. I am glad she is safe. Easterncedar Tuesday #2
Glad she got the photo-op she was hoping for! tritsofme Tuesday #3
Me too. Despite not fulfilling a relief mission, she exposed Israel and its continuing international crimes. Gore1FL Tuesday #4
It might have helped if Hamas didn't START THE WAR by attacking Jewish population first Stargazer99 Tuesday #6
Really...... Butterflylady Tuesday #16
Both sides suck tremendously, to be sure. In this particular situation, Israel was the lawbreaker. nt Gore1FL Tuesday #21
palestinians have been trying to remove hamas too. its iran interference. outside support. pansypoo53219 Tuesday #22
Is the absolute destruction of an entir population ever justified? Magoo48 Tuesday #24
Hamas made Israel arrest Thunberg iemanja Tuesday #28
....... Skittles Tuesday #40
This didn't start on Octopber 7, 2023! PhylliPretzel Tuesday #80
bonkers! et tu Tuesday #5
I could see 'Nut and Yahoo' turning to russia and chyna and north korea for support wolfie001 Tuesday #36
Hamas supported propaganda photo op. nt LexVegas Tuesday #7
Thank you. And I can't help but wonder why/how/when is she an authority on anything and everything? Oopsie Daisy Tuesday #48
Kidnapped is what Hamas did to Israelis on Oct 7 JI7 Tuesday #8
I was just gonna post that Polybius Tuesday #15
Was it justification for the destruction of an entire population? Magoo48 Tuesday #25
The "entire population" of Gaza is not destroyed. maxsolomon Tuesday #46
With all due respect, I could not disagree with you more. MuirHero Tuesday #29
Wow - i salute anyone putting their life on the line bringing attention to this genocide womanofthehills Tuesday #49
This is the only flotilla Greta Thunberg has participated. madaboutharry Tuesday #58
Thanks for mentioning the earlier flotiilla Violet_Crumble Tuesday #75
She wasn't disturbing the peace. She was disturbing the war crimes. The war criminals saw her as dangerous. Ping Tung Tuesday #9
Amen! MuirHero Tuesday #30
What a beautiful and brave woman she has become!! ❤️ littlemissmartypants Tuesday #10
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Wow. OMG. nt LittleGirl Tuesday #37
Thank you. Agreed! Oopsie Daisy Tuesday #50
Thank you !! stonecutter357 Tuesday #77
How did she expose the "genocide"? Richard D Tuesday #11
We should be applauding Greta Thunberg, not attacking her. MuirHero Tuesday #31
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She does not support hamas. Why would you make that claim? Eko Tuesday #56
It's just smears by cruel & obnoxious people SunImp Tuesday #57
Yet... Richard D Tuesday #68
Do you just normally believe the words of a right wing government? Eko Tuesday #69
No more than . . . Richard D Tuesday #70
What do I believe that is anti-Israel? Eko Tuesday #71
Ah wait, I get it. Eko Tuesday #73
Whereas you systematically ignore iemanja Yesterday #85
Greta Thunberg does NOT support Hamas, that is a scurrilous lie. Celerity Tuesday #76
Greta enid602 Tuesday #78
Just what does that mean? Mossfern 21 hrs ago #89
Slaughter enid602 11 hrs ago #93
So you're OK with what Bibi is doing to the Palestinians in Gaza? MuirHero Yesterday #82
I believe that that is the sentiment Mossfern 20 hrs ago #90
Tens of thousands took to streets of Paris in support womanofthehills Tuesday #54
Let's talk about yr definition of genocide... Violet_Crumble 21 hrs ago #88
I can't think of anyone on the left who supports Netanyahu or the Isreale right wing Mossfern 20 hrs ago #91
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Question Iamscrewed Tuesday #13
IMO, because we operate on assumptions that are false... ananda Tuesday #17
Great post, thanks. TheRickles Tuesday #20
For me, it explains everything that's happened to me in my life so far. ananda Tuesday #44
And to counter that chaos and destruction, we could all use a bit more bliss in the world. TheRickles Tuesday #79
My admiration grows for her every day. ananda Tuesday #14
She has been one of my heroes for a long time. MuirHero Tuesday #32
Nice to see that it isn't just deranged right-wing hacks jumping on the Greta hate bandwagon Rob H. Tuesday #18
It is telling. JanMichael Tuesday #34
Same ones who'd toss Muslims under the bus too SunImp Tuesday #41
The Michigan Muslims who voted for Trump are the ones who threw Muslims under the bus. nt SunSeeker Tuesday #45
Well they were feeling neglected by the Biden administration SunImp Tuesday #52
They fell for bullshit propaganda. That's not on Dems. SunSeeker Tuesday #65
NO "Dems everywhere" are not laughing at them Dorian Gray 21 hrs ago #87
She has grown into an impressive young woman. 1WorldHope Tuesday #19
Hatred will eat your soul and tear you down, piece by piece. Butterflylady Tuesday #23
Between this protest and the protest against ICE, I'm reminded that people love to project onto anyone who takes action. WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #26
So true. MuirHero Tuesday #33
They're maga lite SunImp Tuesday #39
The point is LittleGirl Tuesday #38
Her publicity stunt... Richard D Tuesday #42
I wish she would stick to climate change activism. SunSeeker Tuesday #47
Fame has gone to her head, it seems. Oopsie Daisy Tuesday #51
What's going on in Gaza is very, very much a climate crisis issue. WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #53
Greta is not portraying Gaza as a climate issue. nt SunSeeker Tuesday #62
She has in the past, and has since said it has become for her an issue of broader justice. WhiskeyGrinder Tuesday #66
Well she isn't saying it now. SunSeeker Tuesday #67
Disagree - 30 innocent children being killed every day womanofthehills Tuesday #59
Hamas could end the bloodshed today by surrendering, and releasing the hostages/bodies it is holding. SunSeeker Tuesday #64
Whereas the lives of 2 million Gazans iemanja Tuesday #74
Hamas sure acts like Gazan lives are inconsequential. SunSeeker Tuesday #81
False iemanja Yesterday #83
BS. Hamas, by continuing to fight and hold hostages, enables Netanyahu. SunSeeker Yesterday #86
Accused by Israel while providing no proof for it and 1 memeber of Parliment said it, one who's twitter page Eko Tuesday #55
His name was removed from terrorist list and he received damages back in 2021. That this is Nanjeanne 19 hrs ago #92
Well, look at the bright side. At least Israel didn't sink the ship and murder everyone on board. malthaussen Tuesday #43
You know they were probably warned by heads of state not to go there womanofthehills Tuesday #60
Millions? Count me as skeptical of that number. maxsolomon Tuesday #72
That bdamomma Tuesday #61
I applaud her commitment, message and activism in regards to our climate. Torchlight Tuesday #63
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Easterncedar

(4,477 posts)
2. She tried. I am glad she is safe.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 10:28 AM
Tuesday

I feel so frustrated and grief-stricken by the destruction of Gaza

Gore1FL

(22,489 posts)
4. Me too. Despite not fulfilling a relief mission, she exposed Israel and its continuing international crimes.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 11:11 AM
Tuesday

I am glad she and people like her exist.

Gore1FL

(22,489 posts)
21. Both sides suck tremendously, to be sure. In this particular situation, Israel was the lawbreaker. nt
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 12:59 PM
Tuesday

pansypoo53219

(22,293 posts)
22. palestinians have been trying to remove hamas too. its iran interference. outside support.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 01:00 PM
Tuesday

rock + a hard place.

PhylliPretzel

(190 posts)
80. This didn't start on Octopber 7, 2023!
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 07:45 PM
Tuesday

The siege of Gaza began in 2006.
The dispossession of the Palestinians began in the 1940's.

et tu

(2,225 posts)
5. bonkers!
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 11:32 AM
Tuesday

what is israel doing???? please international
countries, stop this genocide and what can be done
when one country acts so cruelly and other nations
like ours help??? horrific
2025 and the our world is the most unsafe place with
no common decency on display- sheer lunacy

wolfie001

(5,260 posts)
36. I could see 'Nut and Yahoo' turning to russia and chyna and north korea for support
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:23 PM
Tuesday

He is that EVIL!!!

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Oopsie Daisy

(5,848 posts)
48. Thank you. And I can't help but wonder why/how/when is she an authority on anything and everything?
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:52 PM
Tuesday

JI7

(92,037 posts)
8. Kidnapped is what Hamas did to Israelis on Oct 7
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 11:35 AM
Tuesday

She was not kidnapped and she is just an attention seeking joke.

maxsolomon

(36,651 posts)
46. The "entire population" of Gaza is not destroyed.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:44 PM
Tuesday

The reality is bad enough. Hyperbole doesn't help.

MuirHero

(30 posts)
29. With all due respect, I could not disagree with you more.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 01:28 PM
Tuesday

What Bibi Netanyahu and his RW enablers are doing to the Palestinians in Gaza is wrong and it is evil. Bibi is just as much of a deplorable reprobate as Trump.

womanofthehills

(9,848 posts)
49. Wow - i salute anyone putting their life on the line bringing attention to this genocide
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:52 PM
Tuesday

The last flotilla she was on was bombed — so she was putting her life on the line. The young are horrified by the tens of thousands of dead and severly injured kids.

madaboutharry

(41,956 posts)
58. This is the only flotilla Greta Thunberg has participated.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 05:06 PM
Tuesday

You are referring to a flotilla from 2010. Greta Thunberg was 7 years old in 2010 and was definitely not a part of that.

She did not put her life on the line.

Violet_Crumble

(36,304 posts)
75. Thanks for mentioning the earlier flotiilla
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 07:26 PM
Tuesday

Many people don't seem to be aware that Israel has been blockading Gaza for many years. And that this isn't the first time that Israel has bombed the fuck out of Gaza. It happened back around 2014.

As for Greta putting her life on the line now, yes she did. Israel has no qualms about violating international law, and has killed many foreigners in the past. This time the optics of killing people bringing a bit of humanitarian aid might have been too much. I'm glad she's safe, and the attacks on her in this thread are pretty sick.

Ping Tung

(2,602 posts)
9. She wasn't disturbing the peace. She was disturbing the war crimes. The war criminals saw her as dangerous.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 11:35 AM
Tuesday

so they arrested her and deported her.

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Richard D

(9,923 posts)
11. How did she expose the "genocide"?
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 11:38 AM
Tuesday

Really, her performative virtue signaling stunt only revealed her shallow lack of a moral compass. The child and her groupies didn't even have the courage to watch the videos Hamas made of the October 7 (true) genocide.

MuirHero

(30 posts)
31. We should be applauding Greta Thunberg, not attacking her.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 01:44 PM
Tuesday

Greta Thunberg is a real hero, not only for her inspiring activism to address the climate change issue, but also for standing up for the Palestinians in Gaza and speaking out about the humanitarian crisis that is occurring there.

I support Israel. I abhor antisemitism in all of its forms. I despise Bibi Netanyahu.

Response to MuirHero (Reply #31)

SunImp

(2,500 posts)
57. It's just smears by cruel & obnoxious people
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 05:02 PM
Tuesday

People saying she is a nut job or saying she is doing it for fame. It's pretty much how Maga talks about popular Dems/leftists

Eko

(9,362 posts)
69. Do you just normally believe the words of a right wing government?
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 06:17 PM
Tuesday

Look, an more recent update to that developing story.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1134143895
Dont let people fool you about there being a London hamas operative behind Greta and the ship.

Richard D

(9,923 posts)
70. No more than . . .
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 06:21 PM
Tuesday

. . . you seem to automatically believe any and everything that is anti-Israel.

Eko

(9,362 posts)
71. What do I believe that is anti-Israel?
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 06:22 PM
Tuesday

Please let us know.
Would it be that aid and food should be delivered to the civilians of Gaza?
Or that Israel is killing way too many civilians in their war and haven't accomplished much to show for it?
That hamas is a terrorist group that needs to be stopped?
Those anti-Israel views?

Eko

(9,362 posts)
73. Ah wait, I get it.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 07:05 PM
Tuesday

I support relief aid to the civilians in gaza so now I must support hamas and be against Israel even though there is no proof of that, at all. I see how that works now.

iemanja

(56,041 posts)
85. Whereas you systematically ignore
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 01:17 AM
Yesterday

All evidence and work assiduously to defend any extreme that Netanyahu goes to. Now that extreme is the eradication of 2 million Palestinians. You pretend that isn’t genocide. You ignore the statements by Israel’s own government and instead create your own fantasy about what you think Israel is, only you couldn’t be more wrong.

enid602

(9,401 posts)
78. Greta
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 07:35 PM
Tuesday

Greta (and others like her) are only fighting against what the REST OF THE WORLD should have during the Second WW. There, I said it.

Mossfern

(3,907 posts)
89. Just what does that mean?
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:25 AM
21 hrs ago

Please clarify.
What should the rest of the world done during the Second World War?

MuirHero

(30 posts)
82. So you're OK with what Bibi is doing to the Palestinians in Gaza?
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 12:13 AM
Yesterday

If Greta Thunberg or anyone else opposing Israel's blockade of Gaza is siding with Hamas that is wrong and should be condemned. That said, the human rights abuses that Bibi Netanyahu is committing against the Palestinian people in Gaza is also wrong and must be condemned. I've traveled to Israel and saw first-hand that a large segment of the Israeli population do not support Bibi Netanyahu and support his prosecution for felony crimes.

I am Lutheran and attended a Passover Sedar earlier this year that was hosted by our church and led by the rabbi of the Reform Jewish Synagogue in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. The rabbi did not mince words when he said, and I quote, "I support and love Israel, but I hate Bibi Netanyahu."

Mossfern

(3,907 posts)
90. I believe that that is the sentiment
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:29 AM
20 hrs ago

of the majority of the Jewish people posting here.

Me, personally?
I'm just not a great fan of Greta.
But then again, I'm one of those people who don't idolize any person.

womanofthehills

(9,848 posts)
54. Tens of thousands took to streets of Paris in support
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:56 PM
Tuesday

"Gaza, Gaza, Paris is with you"

Tens of thousands took to the streets in Paris, demanding the release of the Madleen crew, which just arrived at the Ashdod Port.


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Violet_Crumble

(36,304 posts)
88. Let's talk about yr definition of genocide...
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:15 AM
21 hrs ago

It'll be a one-sided conversation, as I know you can't reply, but I'm more than happy for any of those who gave a rec to yr post to step in.

Tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians being slaughtered by Israel, as well as the clearly genocidal language of the extremists in the Israeli govt, isn't genocide according to you. Yet somehow you can describe the killing of around 1000 people (a mix of Israelis and foreigners) in a single incident as genocide. How does that work? Genocide is a powerful term and there's criteria that must be met. It shits me that some Americans fling it around to score political points. And that imo is what you've fallen victim to. There's absolutely no way you can claim Oct 7 is an act of genocide while in the next breath insist that what's being done to the Palestinian people isn't.

Heres some info on genocide that you and those who recced yr post need to read.

https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/what-was-the-holocaust/what-was-genocide/eight-stages-of-genocide/

I think Israel's conduct is veering close to being genocidal, but right now I think what Israel is committing is ethnic cleansing. It's not like ethnic cleansing didn't happen during the Nakba, and you just have to look at the ongoing dispossession of Palestinians in the West Bank to see it happening in slow motion.

I honestly don't understand why those on the left in the US will excuse abuse and dispossession of any ethnic group when it goes against all leftists stand for. That shit is what the Right thrives on, which is why Trump and his ilk support Israel. I'm so glad my country is finally standing up and putting sanctions on the extremists in the Israeli govt. Of course the Trump administration are having a whinge about it, but our LW govt hopefully doesn't give a shit what those fascist fucks say.




Mossfern

(3,907 posts)
91. I can't think of anyone on the left who supports Netanyahu or the Isreale right wing
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 07:50 AM
20 hrs ago

I can only speak for myself, but when I see rhetoric that seems to be against all Israelis and does not recognize the historic fact that since its inception, there was a marked effort by Palestinians and other neighboring Arab countries to eradicate Israel.

I don't see acknowledgement of the displacement of Jews from Arab countries:

Following the establishment of Israel in 1948, over 850,000 Jews were displaced from Arab countries. This forced migration also included a further 70,000 Jews from Iran. The expulsion and migration from Arab countries was primarily driven by the Arab-Israeli war of 1948 and the ensuing political climate.


Now I'm not using that as an excuse for Netanyahu's actions, but it would help if the fact of Jewish displacement and the desire of Arab countries (including Palestinians) to eradicate Israel -and in the case of the Hamas charter, to kill all Jews.

A bit of acknowledgement would go a long way.
It was telling the Greta and her cohorts refused to watch the filming (by Palestinians) of the atrocities of October 7th. Again, it would also have helped for Hamas to release all hostages a long time before so many are now dead and cities decimated. That would have prevent the mass destruction Netnyahu is visiting on Gaza. No, I am not excusing that.

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ananda

(32,061 posts)
17. IMO, because we operate on assumptions that are false...
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 12:45 PM
Tuesday

that the universe, people, every single thing is a machine that
can be treated separately and divided into parts.

People didn't always think this way, but it's become more and
more prevalent since Descartes fell in love with the hydraulic
statue on his estate and came up with the idea of the "beast
machine."

He started a debate, mostly through letter-writing, with all
the prominent philosophers, theologians, and scientists
across Europe. Newton took this on too.

Then the Industrial Revoution sealed it. People became
numbers and parts in both making machines and forming
the world thought of in those terms.

We think this way to this day, and it tends to make all of us
think and act fascistically, top-down. Our whole education
and work-system works that way. It's oppressive by nature
and divides us from each other.

However, if you think of the universe as a hologram, and the
brain as the means to project it, well, assumptions change.

This all came out of quantum physics, and answers so many
questions it's unreal. David Bohm and David Peat were
prominent in promoting this theory. Their books are great!

Then Michael Talbot wrote a book called The Holographic
Universe, which is a great synopsis and highly recommended.

TheRickles

(2,781 posts)
20. Great post, thanks.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 12:52 PM
Tuesday

Most of the world, apart from Western medicine, believes in a unifying life energy that is the source of health. And since we're all connected to that source, we're all in this together, not Us vs. Them. Hopefully, holistic energy-based medicine can continue to grow, and to help replace this outmoded mechanistic POV.

ananda

(32,061 posts)
44. For me, it explains everything that's happened to me in my life so far.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:41 PM
Tuesday

One example: a smoldering appendix.

Way back, when I first thought I had appendicitis (which it turns out I did),
I went to the doctor and described the symptoms.

He said no, it was IBS and prescribed some white pills and it went away.

35 or 40 years later, I had stomach issues. A CT scan showed a smoldering
appendix and I had it removed.

This is how the holographic brain works. Many cancer patients who don't
think they are going to die, don't. And many who do think it, do die.

It also explains my clairvoyance and ESP experiences, and many others.

And it explains how the world works, and how not treating the world and
others holistically, would lead to exactly this -- chaos, mental disturbance,
and destruction.

TheRickles

(2,781 posts)
79. And to counter that chaos and destruction, we could all use a bit more bliss in the world.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 07:45 PM
Tuesday

Spread your name far and wide.

ananda

(32,061 posts)
14. My admiration grows for her every day.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 12:37 PM
Tuesday

And it was already high.

We really need voices like hers... frerquently.

MuirHero

(30 posts)
32. She has been one of my heroes for a long time.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 01:59 PM
Tuesday

Along with Sir David Attenborough, Jane Goodall and of course John Muir. It is visionaries like these, who are/were passionate about standing up for the sacredness of all life on this planet, who we need more of, not fewer of.

SunSeeker

(55,985 posts)
45. The Michigan Muslims who voted for Trump are the ones who threw Muslims under the bus. nt
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:44 PM
Tuesday

SunImp

(2,500 posts)
52. Well they were feeling neglected by the Biden administration
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:55 PM
Tuesday

Many other minorities too like Spanish speaking people. I see Dems everywhere laughing at their misfortune & it's disgusting.

SunSeeker

(55,985 posts)
65. They fell for bullshit propaganda. That's not on Dems.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 05:21 PM
Tuesday

Please don't add to the propaganda. Dems are not "laughing" about it. We're just shaking our heads.

1WorldHope

(1,298 posts)
19. She has grown into an impressive young woman.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 12:50 PM
Tuesday

She handled the media's questions like a pro, she kept it focused on what was important, it's not about her and she was never making this about her.
This Old testament an eye for an eye bullshit will never end, the debts will never be paid. And the Innocents will continue to die for nothing. And here we are with our big brains thinking we're so much more evolved than animals. SMDH

WhiskeyGrinder

(25,094 posts)
26. Between this protest and the protest against ICE, I'm reminded that people love to project onto anyone who takes action.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 01:11 PM
Tuesday

SunImp

(2,500 posts)
39. They're maga lite
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:15 PM
Tuesday

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People saying she is a nut job or saying she is doing it for fame. It's pretty much how Maga talks about popular Dems/leftists

LittleGirl

(8,759 posts)
38. The point is
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 03:53 PM
Tuesday

That Gaza is systematically being starved and genocide is happening in Real Time on TV for the world to see. Reality tv is now our modus operandi. She was trying to deliver aid. I would do the same if I could. Israel is way over board and needs to stop.

Richard D

(9,923 posts)
42. Her publicity stunt...
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:31 PM
Tuesday

A man accused of being “a Hamas operative” based in London is a key figure behind Greta Thunberg’s Gaza-bound aid boat, it emerged on Monday.

Zaher Birawi, who was described in Parliament as a person with links to Hamas, called himself a “founding member” of the Freedom Flotilla International Coalition, which arranged the voyage by the aid boat Madleen.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/london-based-hamas-operative-behind-130000453.html

SunSeeker

(55,985 posts)
47. I wish she would stick to climate change activism.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:48 PM
Tuesday

That is an existential threat to all of humanity, and Greta seems to have just put it on the back burner.

WhiskeyGrinder

(25,094 posts)
53. What's going on in Gaza is very, very much a climate crisis issue.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:56 PM
Tuesday

From an article more than a year old: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/09/emissions-gaza-israel-hamas-war-climate-change

The planet-warming emissions generated during the first two months of the war in Gaza were greater than the annual carbon footprint of more than 20 of the world’s most climate-vulnerable nations, new research reveals.

The vast majority (over 99%) of the 281,000 metric tonnes of carbon dioxide (CO2 equivalent) estimated to have been generated in the first 60 days following the 7 October Hamas attack can be attributed to Israel’s aerial bombardment and ground invasion of Gaza, according to a first-of-its-kind analysis by researchers in the UK and US.

According to the study, which is based on only a handful of carbon-intensive activities and is therefore probably a significant underestimate, the climate cost of the first 60 days of Israel’s military response was equivalent to burning at least 150,000 tonnes of coal.

The analysis, which is yet to be peer reviewed, includes CO2 from aircraft missions, tanks and fuel from other vehicles, as well as emissions generated by making and exploding the bombs, artillery and rockets. It does not include other planet-warming gases such as methane. Almost half the total CO2 emissions were down to US cargo planes flying military supplies to Israel.

womanofthehills

(9,848 posts)
59. Disagree - 30 innocent children being killed every day
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 05:06 PM
Tuesday

Millions of toddlers and little kids with no arms and legs, having amputations without anesthesia and then dying anyway because they are so malnourished. You think it’s fine for American kids to see this on their phones everyday and not be distraught. How many Gaza dads carrying dead kids often missing their heads is good for our youth to see? Should be NONE!

SunSeeker

(55,985 posts)
64. Hamas could end the bloodshed today by surrendering, and releasing the hostages/bodies it is holding.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 05:17 PM
Tuesday

There was no justification for Hamas' war crimes on Oct. 7, and no justification for Hamas continuing the war Hamas started. NONE!

iemanja

(56,041 posts)
74. Whereas the lives of 2 million Gazans
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 07:09 PM
Tuesday

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Are inconsequential. Why pay attention to human life?

We are watching the full scale eradication of an entire people, and some make excuses for a horror of historical dimension. It sickens me.

SunSeeker

(55,985 posts)
81. Hamas sure acts like Gazan lives are inconsequential.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 07:55 PM
Tuesday

Hamas could end the bloodshed today if they would stop fighting the war they started, surrender, and return the hostages/bodies.

iemanja

(56,041 posts)
83. False
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 01:03 AM
Yesterday

Netanyahu’s own statements make clear his goal is to clear Gaza of all Palestinians. He violates cease fire agreements because the last thing he wants is peace. His war is not against Hamas. His goal is to exterminate 2 million Palestinians and take their land for Israel. He’s systematically destroyed every hospital and targeted aid groups to ensure his genocide succeeds.

SunSeeker

(55,985 posts)
86. BS. Hamas, by continuing to fight and hold hostages, enables Netanyahu.
Wed Jun 11, 2025, 02:18 AM
Yesterday

Hamas placed their military headquarters under hospitals. Hamas infiltrated aid groups and stole aid from Gazans. Hamas is starving its own people. Many Gazans want Hamas gone, but Hamas won't leave. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-protests-hamas-war-israel-ceasefire-trump-rcna198315

Hamas is fine with their fellow Gazans becoming "martyrs," even if Hamas is left ruling over nothing but a pile of rocks, so long as their genocidal dream of wiping Israelis off the face of the earth, "from the river to the sea," remains intact.

Gazans and Israelis want Hamas gone. By ignoring Hamas' responsibility for Gazans' misery, we are not doing Gazans any favors.

Eko

(9,362 posts)
55. Accused by Israel while providing no proof for it and 1 memeber of Parliment said it, one who's twitter page
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:56 PM
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Shows that he supports Israel quite a bit. If the member of Parliament had any proof then he would have given it since Zaher lives in Great Brittan, yet he did not and Zaher is still a free person. If Israel had any proof for that claim then why would they not share it with one of their allies? Ergo they do not and are just smearing him.

malthaussen

(18,108 posts)
43. Well, look at the bright side. At least Israel didn't sink the ship and murder everyone on board.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 04:35 PM
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No reason why they couldn't, but I suppose they reckoned it would be bad optics.

-- Mal

womanofthehills

(9,848 posts)
60. You know they were probably warned by heads of state not to go there
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 05:11 PM
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Millions protested in Paris and around the world when the crew was arrested. Can you imagine if she and crew were killed ?

maxsolomon

(36,651 posts)
72. Millions? Count me as skeptical of that number.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 07:03 PM
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I can't find anything via a search.

Why would Israel want to kill Greta Thunberg?

bdamomma

(68,498 posts)
61. That
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 05:11 PM
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fucking Netanyahu is a murderer period. WTF, these dic...tators need to be all rounded up for war crimes. Putin, Netanyahu and the felon. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Horrible bastards.

Torchlight

(4,824 posts)
63. I applaud her commitment, message and activism in regards to our climate.
Tue Jun 10, 2025, 05:15 PM
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I know two (now) young adults who were influenced for the better by her protest outside Parliament.

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