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🇵🇸 Greta Thunberg after landing in Paris:
We were kidnapped by Israel in international waters. There is a genocide going on in Gaza and a systematic starvation following a blockade.
There are no words to describe the betrayal that is happening every day by our own governments.
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Lovie777
(18,845 posts)seems it's universal.
Easterncedar
(4,477 posts)I feel so frustrated and grief-stricken by the destruction of Gaza
tritsofme
(19,249 posts)Gore1FL
(22,489 posts)I am glad she and people like her exist.
Stargazer99
(3,213 posts)Butterflylady
(4,441 posts)Gore1FL
(22,489 posts)pansypoo53219
(22,293 posts)rock + a hard place.
Magoo48
(6,391 posts)iemanja
(56,041 posts)Waaah
Skittles
(164,810 posts)why this crap NEVER FUCKING ENDS
PhylliPretzel
(190 posts)The siege of Gaza began in 2006.
The dispossession of the Palestinians began in the 1940's.
et tu
(2,225 posts)what is israel doing???? please international
countries, stop this genocide and what can be done
when one country acts so cruelly and other nations
like ours help??? horrific
2025 and the our world is the most unsafe place with
no common decency on display- sheer lunacy
wolfie001
(5,260 posts)He is that EVIL!!!
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LexVegas
(6,740 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(5,848 posts)JI7
(92,037 posts)She was not kidnapped and she is just an attention seeking joke.
Polybius
(20,166 posts)Agree 100%.
Magoo48
(6,391 posts)maxsolomon
(36,651 posts)The reality is bad enough. Hyperbole doesn't help.
MuirHero
(30 posts)What Bibi Netanyahu and his RW enablers are doing to the Palestinians in Gaza is wrong and it is evil. Bibi is just as much of a deplorable reprobate as Trump.
womanofthehills
(9,848 posts)The last flotilla she was on was bombed so she was putting her life on the line. The young are horrified by the tens of thousands of dead and severly injured kids.
madaboutharry
(41,956 posts)You are referring to a flotilla from 2010. Greta Thunberg was 7 years old in 2010 and was definitely not a part of that.
She did not put her life on the line.
Violet_Crumble
(36,304 posts)Many people don't seem to be aware that Israel has been blockading Gaza for many years. And that this isn't the first time that Israel has bombed the fuck out of Gaza. It happened back around 2014.
As for Greta putting her life on the line now, yes she did. Israel has no qualms about violating international law, and has killed many foreigners in the past. This time the optics of killing people bringing a bit of humanitarian aid might have been too much. I'm glad she's safe, and the attacks on her in this thread are pretty sick.
Ping Tung
(2,602 posts)so they arrested her and deported her.
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LittleGirl
(8,759 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(5,848 posts)stonecutter357
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Richard D
(9,923 posts)Really, her performative virtue signaling stunt only revealed her shallow lack of a moral compass. The child and her groupies didn't even have the courage to watch the videos Hamas made of the October 7 (true) genocide.
MuirHero
(30 posts)Greta Thunberg is a real hero, not only for her inspiring activism to address the climate change issue, but also for standing up for the Palestinians in Gaza and speaking out about the humanitarian crisis that is occurring there.
I support Israel. I abhor antisemitism in all of its forms. I despise Bibi Netanyahu.
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Eko
(9,362 posts)SunImp
(2,500 posts)People saying she is a nut job or saying she is doing it for fame. It's pretty much how Maga talks about popular Dems/leftists
It seems, in a developing story, that a Hamas operative supported her.
Eko
(9,362 posts)Look, an more recent update to that developing story.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1134143895
Dont let people fool you about there being a London hamas operative behind Greta and the ship.
Richard D
(9,923 posts). . . you seem to automatically believe any and everything that is anti-Israel.
Eko
(9,362 posts)Please let us know.
Would it be that aid and food should be delivered to the civilians of Gaza?
Or that Israel is killing way too many civilians in their war and haven't accomplished much to show for it?
That hamas is a terrorist group that needs to be stopped?
Those anti-Israel views?
Eko
(9,362 posts)I support relief aid to the civilians in gaza so now I must support hamas and be against Israel even though there is no proof of that, at all. I see how that works now.
iemanja
(56,041 posts)All evidence and work assiduously to defend any extreme that Netanyahu goes to. Now that extreme is the eradication of 2 million Palestinians. You pretend that isnt genocide. You ignore the statements by Israels own government and instead create your own fantasy about what you think Israel is, only you couldnt be more wrong.
Celerity
(50,279 posts)
Greta (and others like her) are only fighting against what the REST OF THE WORLD should have during the Second WW. There, I said it.
Mossfern
(3,907 posts)Please clarify.
What should the rest of the world done during the Second World War?
enid602
(9,401 posts)We couldnt/didnt stop Hitler from slaughtering the Jews of Europe.
MuirHero
(30 posts)If Greta Thunberg or anyone else opposing Israel's blockade of Gaza is siding with Hamas that is wrong and should be condemned. That said, the human rights abuses that Bibi Netanyahu is committing against the Palestinian people in Gaza is also wrong and must be condemned. I've traveled to Israel and saw first-hand that a large segment of the Israeli population do not support Bibi Netanyahu and support his prosecution for felony crimes.
I am Lutheran and attended a Passover Sedar earlier this year that was hosted by our church and led by the rabbi of the Reform Jewish Synagogue in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. The rabbi did not mince words when he said, and I quote, "I support and love Israel, but I hate Bibi Netanyahu."
Mossfern
(3,907 posts)of the majority of the Jewish people posting here.
Me, personally?
I'm just not a great fan of Greta.
But then again, I'm one of those people who don't idolize any person.
womanofthehills
(9,848 posts)"Gaza, Gaza, Paris is with you"
Tens of thousands took to the streets in Paris, demanding the release of the Madleen crew, which just arrived at the Ashdod Port.
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Violet_Crumble
(36,304 posts)It'll be a one-sided conversation, as I know you can't reply, but I'm more than happy for any of those who gave a rec to yr post to step in.
Tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians being slaughtered by Israel, as well as the clearly genocidal language of the extremists in the Israeli govt, isn't genocide according to you. Yet somehow you can describe the killing of around 1000 people (a mix of Israelis and foreigners) in a single incident as genocide. How does that work? Genocide is a powerful term and there's criteria that must be met. It shits me that some Americans fling it around to score political points. And that imo is what you've fallen victim to. There's absolutely no way you can claim Oct 7 is an act of genocide while in the next breath insist that what's being done to the Palestinian people isn't.
Heres some info on genocide that you and those who recced yr post need to read.
https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/what-was-the-holocaust/what-was-genocide/eight-stages-of-genocide/
I think Israel's conduct is veering close to being genocidal, but right now I think what Israel is committing is ethnic cleansing. It's not like ethnic cleansing didn't happen during the Nakba, and you just have to look at the ongoing dispossession of Palestinians in the West Bank to see it happening in slow motion.
I honestly don't understand why those on the left in the US will excuse abuse and dispossession of any ethnic group when it goes against all leftists stand for. That shit is what the Right thrives on, which is why Trump and his ilk support Israel. I'm so glad my country is finally standing up and putting sanctions on the extremists in the Israeli govt. Of course the Trump administration are having a whinge about it, but our LW govt hopefully doesn't give a shit what those fascist fucks say.
Mossfern
(3,907 posts)I can only speak for myself, but when I see rhetoric that seems to be against all Israelis and does not recognize the historic fact that since its inception, there was a marked effort by Palestinians and other neighboring Arab countries to eradicate Israel.
I don't see acknowledgement of the displacement of Jews from Arab countries:
Now I'm not using that as an excuse for Netanyahu's actions, but it would help if the fact of Jewish displacement and the desire of Arab countries (including Palestinians) to eradicate Israel -and in the case of the Hamas charter, to kill all Jews.
A bit of acknowledgement would go a long way.
It was telling the Greta and her cohorts refused to watch the filming (by Palestinians) of the atrocities of October 7th. Again, it would also have helped for Hamas to release all hostages a long time before so many are now dead and cities decimated. That would have prevent the mass destruction Netnyahu is visiting on Gaza. No, I am not excusing that.
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Iamscrewed
(393 posts)Why does authoritarian fascism come back so frequently in the human race?
ananda
(32,061 posts)that the universe, people, every single thing is a machine that
can be treated separately and divided into parts.
People didn't always think this way, but it's become more and
more prevalent since Descartes fell in love with the hydraulic
statue on his estate and came up with the idea of the "beast
machine."
He started a debate, mostly through letter-writing, with all
the prominent philosophers, theologians, and scientists
across Europe. Newton took this on too.
Then the Industrial Revoution sealed it. People became
numbers and parts in both making machines and forming
the world thought of in those terms.
We think this way to this day, and it tends to make all of us
think and act fascistically, top-down. Our whole education
and work-system works that way. It's oppressive by nature
and divides us from each other.
However, if you think of the universe as a hologram, and the
brain as the means to project it, well, assumptions change.
This all came out of quantum physics, and answers so many
questions it's unreal. David Bohm and David Peat were
prominent in promoting this theory. Their books are great!
Then Michael Talbot wrote a book called The Holographic
Universe, which is a great synopsis and highly recommended.
TheRickles
(2,781 posts)Most of the world, apart from Western medicine, believes in a unifying life energy that is the source of health. And since we're all connected to that source, we're all in this together, not Us vs. Them. Hopefully, holistic energy-based medicine can continue to grow, and to help replace this outmoded mechanistic POV.
ananda
(32,061 posts)One example: a smoldering appendix.
Way back, when I first thought I had appendicitis (which it turns out I did),
I went to the doctor and described the symptoms.
He said no, it was IBS and prescribed some white pills and it went away.
35 or 40 years later, I had stomach issues. A CT scan showed a smoldering
appendix and I had it removed.
This is how the holographic brain works. Many cancer patients who don't
think they are going to die, don't. And many who do think it, do die.
It also explains my clairvoyance and ESP experiences, and many others.
And it explains how the world works, and how not treating the world and
others holistically, would lead to exactly this -- chaos, mental disturbance,
and destruction.
TheRickles
(2,781 posts)Spread your name far and wide.
ananda
(32,061 posts)And it was already high.
We really need voices like hers... frerquently.
MuirHero
(30 posts)Along with Sir David Attenborough, Jane Goodall and of course John Muir. It is visionaries like these, who are/were passionate about standing up for the sacredness of all life on this planet, who we need more of, not fewer of.
Rob H.
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JanMichael
(25,620 posts)SunImp
(2,500 posts)SunSeeker
(55,985 posts)SunImp
(2,500 posts)Many other minorities too like Spanish speaking people. I see Dems everywhere laughing at their misfortune & it's disgusting.
SunSeeker
(55,985 posts)Please don't add to the propaganda. Dems are not "laughing" about it. We're just shaking our heads.
Dorian Gray
(13,821 posts)Jesus.
1WorldHope
(1,298 posts)She handled the media's questions like a pro, she kept it focused on what was important, it's not about her and she was never making this about her.
This Old testament an eye for an eye bullshit will never end, the debts will never be paid. And the Innocents will continue to die for nothing. And here we are with our big brains thinking we're so much more evolved than animals. SMDH
Butterflylady
(4,441 posts)So sad to see it.........
WhiskeyGrinder
(25,094 posts)MuirHero
(30 posts)The attacks on Greta Thunberg are shameful.
SunImp
(2,500 posts)Last edited Tue Jun 10, 2025, 05:01 PM - Edit history (1)
People saying she is a nut job or saying she is doing it for fame. It's pretty much how Maga talks about popular Dems/leftists
LittleGirl
(8,759 posts)That Gaza is systematically being starved and genocide is happening in Real Time on TV for the world to see. Reality tv is now our modus operandi. She was trying to deliver aid. I would do the same if I could. Israel is way over board and needs to stop.
Richard D
(9,923 posts)A man accused of being a Hamas operative based in London is a key figure behind Greta Thunbergs Gaza-bound aid boat, it emerged on Monday.
Zaher Birawi, who was described in Parliament as a person with links to Hamas, called himself a founding member of the Freedom Flotilla International Coalition, which arranged the voyage by the aid boat Madleen.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/london-based-hamas-operative-behind-130000453.html
SunSeeker
(55,985 posts)That is an existential threat to all of humanity, and Greta seems to have just put it on the back burner.
Oopsie Daisy
(5,848 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(25,094 posts)From an article more than a year old: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/09/emissions-gaza-israel-hamas-war-climate-change
The vast majority (over 99%) of the 281,000 metric tonnes of carbon dioxide (CO2 equivalent) estimated to have been generated in the first 60 days following the 7 October Hamas attack can be attributed to Israels aerial bombardment and ground invasion of Gaza, according to a first-of-its-kind analysis by researchers in the UK and US.
According to the study, which is based on only a handful of carbon-intensive activities and is therefore probably a significant underestimate, the climate cost of the first 60 days of Israels military response was equivalent to burning at least 150,000 tonnes of coal.
The analysis, which is yet to be peer reviewed, includes CO2 from aircraft missions, tanks and fuel from other vehicles, as well as emissions generated by making and exploding the bombs, artillery and rockets. It does not include other planet-warming gases such as methane. Almost half the total CO2 emissions were down to US cargo planes flying military supplies to Israel.
SunSeeker
(55,985 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(25,094 posts)SunSeeker
(55,985 posts)Climate change protesting is no longer cool, it seems.
womanofthehills
(9,848 posts)Millions of toddlers and little kids with no arms and legs, having amputations without anesthesia and then dying anyway because they are so malnourished. You think its fine for American kids to see this on their phones everyday and not be distraught. How many Gaza dads carrying dead kids often missing their heads is good for our youth to see? Should be NONE!
SunSeeker
(55,985 posts)There was no justification for Hamas' war crimes on Oct. 7, and no justification for Hamas continuing the war Hamas started. NONE!
iemanja
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Are inconsequential. Why pay attention to human life?
We are watching the full scale eradication of an entire people, and some make excuses for a horror of historical dimension. It sickens me.
SunSeeker
(55,985 posts)Hamas could end the bloodshed today if they would stop fighting the war they started, surrender, and return the hostages/bodies.
iemanja
(56,041 posts)Netanyahus own statements make clear his goal is to clear Gaza of all Palestinians. He violates cease fire agreements because the last thing he wants is peace. His war is not against Hamas. His goal is to exterminate 2 million Palestinians and take their land for Israel. Hes systematically destroyed every hospital and targeted aid groups to ensure his genocide succeeds.
SunSeeker
(55,985 posts)Hamas placed their military headquarters under hospitals. Hamas infiltrated aid groups and stole aid from Gazans. Hamas is starving its own people. Many Gazans want Hamas gone, but Hamas won't leave. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-protests-hamas-war-israel-ceasefire-trump-rcna198315
Hamas is fine with their fellow Gazans becoming "martyrs," even if Hamas is left ruling over nothing but a pile of rocks, so long as their genocidal dream of wiping Israelis off the face of the earth, "from the river to the sea," remains intact.
Gazans and Israelis want Hamas gone. By ignoring Hamas' responsibility for Gazans' misery, we are not doing Gazans any favors.
Eko
(9,362 posts)Shows that he supports Israel quite a bit. If the member of Parliament had any proof then he would have given it since Zaher lives in Great Brittan, yet he did not and Zaher is still a free person. If Israel had any proof for that claim then why would they not share it with one of their allies? Ergo they do not and are just smearing him.
Nanjeanne
(6,176 posts)being brought up again from when Israel accused him 2013 speaks volumes for how desperate people are to slam the organization.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/zaher-birawi-palestinian-activist-world-check-terrorism-list]
His press release at the time of exoneration https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Press-Statement-World-check-Settlement-FINAL-.pdf]
More links https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2021/01/14/palestinian-wins-suit-against-cyber-security-firm-for-listing-him-a-terrorist/]
malthaussen
(18,108 posts)No reason why they couldn't, but I suppose they reckoned it would be bad optics.
-- Mal
womanofthehills
(9,848 posts)Millions protested in Paris and around the world when the crew was arrested. Can you imagine if she and crew were killed ?
maxsolomon
(36,651 posts)I can't find anything via a search.
Why would Israel want to kill Greta Thunberg?
bdamomma
(68,498 posts)fucking Netanyahu is a murderer period. WTF, these dic...tators need to be all rounded up for war crimes. Putin, Netanyahu and the felon. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Horrible bastards.
Torchlight
(4,824 posts)I know two (now) young adults who were influenced for the better by her protest outside Parliament.
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