Trump's new flag poles by the White House are 88 feet tall.. think about it.

[LeftinOH]

These are custom-made poles -- they could have been 85 feet tall, or 91 feet tall -- but they went with exactly 88 feet. Take all the time you need with that. The Anti-Defamation League and the SPLC have very specific definitions of what the number 88 represents.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/18/trump-flag-poles-white-house/84257902007/

[Layzeebeaver]

1. ok so what does it imply?

please spell it out with proper references.

edit: Nevermind, i did my own search.

[Luvcatz14]

2. It's a hate symbol

“88 is a white supremacist numerical code for "Heil Hitler." H is the eighth letter of the alphabet, so 88 = HH = Heil Hitler. One of the most common white supremacist symbols, 88 is used throughout the entire white supremacist movement, not just neo-Nazis. One can find it as a tattoo or graphic symbol; as part of the name of a group, publication or website; or as part of a screenname or e-mail address. It is even sometimes used as a greeting or sign-off (particularly in messages on social networking websites).”

https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/88

[Staph]

15. Some years ago, I was on Jeopardy.

But that's beside the point. When they talked to us contestants before filming, they mentioned betting amounts. In Final Jeopardy, if you chose an inappropriate amount, they would make you change it. The specific numbers that I remember are 69, 666, and 88.

[Danmel]

24. I was on as well in 2007.

I don't recall that but it's possible. Of course, I'm not a racist or asshole so I wouldn't do that.

[viva la]

37. You guys! I want to hear more about your Jeopardy appearances!

Was Alex still there?
I had such a nerdy crush on him.

[Danmel]

54. Yes, Alex was the host

If I could ever figure out how to post the pictures, I would.
I didn't win but I didn't make a fool of myself.

[Staph]

63. I was on in January 2019 and filmed in November 2018.

Alex Trebek was the host, and he is every bit as nice a person as he appears on television. During the commercial breaks, he stepped to the front of the stage and took questions from the audience.

Two months after my appearance, Alex announced his cancer diagnosis. And about four months later, my cancer returned for the third time. I got lucky - my cancer was treatable by immunotherapy and has not returned in six years. Watching his cancer journey was like losing a dear friend.

[JMCKUSICK]

38. That's so cool, I always loved that show.

[JMCKUSICK]

40. As I stated in the comment below yours,

That is so cool. I love that show

[appmanga]

14. Something like "Holy Hannah!"...

...except nobody's ever saluted Hannah.

[mikeysnot]

3. What is the eighth letter

Of alphabet? HH. Heil hilter.

[hatrack]

4. Nice of them to clear things up for us. No ambiguity whatsoever remains. None.

This is a declaration of war.

[C_U_L8R]

5. Cut off two feet

and toss that clown.

[Norrrm]

39. Good math.

[Jilly_in_VA]

6. Plus

he's compensating for his eeny weeny teeny peenie! There, I said it, now you don't have to.

[SheltieLover]

30. Serious compensation issues!

[BluesRunTheGame]

7. "Out on the dark side of route 88" n/t

[LuvLoogie]

8. the number 88 is a neo nazi dogwhistle

[Bev54]

9. Sounds like a Miller request. Trump is too stupid to know the meaning of it.

Maybe someone can get him to stand out and hug the pole in the next lightning storm or test his tongue on the pole during the depth of winter.

[B.See]

11. Stop excusing this

bstrd. The son of a bigot knows EXACTLY what it means.

[Bev54]

48. I am not excusing him at all but I am very doubtful he came up with this idea, if he even

remembers what 88 means and I doubt he ordered an 88 foot pole. He likely asked for the tallest and best pole, but Miller would most certainly think to make it 88 ft for his Nazi brothers.

[B.See]

53. ... THEIR Nazi brothers.

[Bluethroughu]

18. His father was a grand wizard of the KKK...

He knows what it means. He had Mein Kampf at his bedside.

[ShazzieB]

36. Whose father are you talking about?

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If you mean Trump's father, I'd like to know your source. We know old Fred was racist af, but being a Grand Wizard of the KKK is awfully specific. I'd love to know what the evidence is for this.

I am also not firmly convinced that Trump knows or cares what 88 stands for. He's much too self-absorbed to have any kind of strong allegiance to Hitler, or to anyone else other than Donald J. Trump. (I know about the book, but that doesn't prove any personal devotion to AH as an individual. I think he just likes "strong men" in general.)

[Wiz Imp]

46. There is no source. It's a completely false claim.

See posts 42 & 45.

[ShazzieB]

50. I suspected as much, but was trying to be polite about expressing my skepticism.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

41. "His father was a grand wizard of the KKK..."

Cite, please. Thanks.

[Wiz Imp]

45. It's Completely false

His father was arrested in 1927 at a KKK rally in NYC but there is no proof that he was a supporter or member (though he may have been). But given that there is no proof he was eve a member, the idea that he was Grand Wizard is ludicrous.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/18/fact-check-fred-trump-detained-kkk-rally-circumstances-unclear/3209853001/

[mahatmakanejeeves]

47. The dial is being turned up on disinformation at DU.

I’ve also seen no support for this clearly nutty claim.

And good evening.

[Wiz Imp]

42. Quit repeating debunked conspiracy theories.

There is no proof Trump's father was a member of the KKK let alone a Grand Wizard.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/18/fact-check-fred-trump-detained-kkk-rally-circumstances-unclear/3209853001/

Fact Check: Fred Trump was detained at KKK rally but there's no evidence he was supporter

On Sept. 9, 2015 — three months after Trump announced his bid for president — the tech blog BoingBoing.net published a New York Times article from 1927 that reported that Donald Trump’s father, Fred Trump, had been detained at a KKK rally on Memorial Day weekend. According to the article, “1,000 white-robed Klansmen marched through the Jamaica neighborhood, eventually spurring an all-out brawl in which seven men were arrested.”

Among those arrested, the article identifies a man with the name and address of the home of Trump’s father in Jamaica, Queens. The article details the charges filed against six of the men. However, it does not identify any charges against the elder Trump and merely states that he “was discharged.”

The article does not say Trump's father was a member or supporter of the KKK or whether he was a bystander, falsely accused or otherwise the victim of mistaken identity during the chaotic event.

The information available in the New York Times article made it difficult to figure out whether Trump’s father was directly involved in the melee or was simply a bystander, falsely accused or otherwise the victim of mistaken identity during the chaotic event. There is no indication in the article that Trump’s father was a member or supporter of the KKK.

The other claim is partly true:

In a 1990 interview, Mr. Trump said he had a copy of Hitler’s “Mein Kampf,” although his first wife Ivana Trump and the friend who gave him the book said it was actually “My New Order,” a collection of Hitler speeches.

[marble falls]

65. He may have a 'Mein Kampf' on his booktable, he was at KKK rallies, but no one has ever proven that Papa Drumph ...

... was ever even member of the KKK.

https://www.snopes.com/search/?q=Fred%20Trump%20SR%20was%20a%20KKK%20member#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=Fred%20Trump%20SR%20was%20a%20KKK%20member&gsc.page=1


where you might have gotten the notion:

[slightlv]

34. I *just* said that to my husband!

Trump doesn't care about numbers and certainly neither cares about nor understands symbology... tho, as into Marketing and branding, one would think he might take an interest.

No, this is ALL on Miller and the other South African racists in the WH. But you know what? Those damned "flag poles" (probably outfitted with the Nazi flag when all is said and done) can be taken down and destroyed faster than Melania destroyed our beloved rose garden.

[Ping Tung]

10. Did Trump donate a couple of his jock straps to fortify them?

[allegorical oracle]

12. So are we to assume that the stars and stripes has replaced that "other" flag (insofar as

human rights are concerned)?

[usonian]

13. Compensation, sigh.

[IcyPeas]

16. 88 feet of owning the libs? This is why they do most of their stupid shit.

[Bluethroughu]

17. Neo Nazi in the white house and cabinets.

Stop explaining it's something other than a Nazi Salute at the podium of the US.

We have a Nazi problem.

[Archae]

19. It's still tiny compared to the one here in Sheboygan...

Screw you, Dumpster Donny.

https://www.acuity.com/about/flagpole

[mdbl]

20. Next he'll put black and white upside down flags on em.

[Botany]

21. 88 is shorthand for Heil Hitler

H is the 8th letter.

[Intractable]

22. What would it cost to take down a pair 88' flagpoles?

Just thinking ahead to the 2029 budget.

[Moostache]

29. It can be free.... I will gladly knock them down for no charge. Just get Trumpy Bear to stand in the fall zone... n/t

[Codifer]

23. Also,

If I recall from readings, the Germans had an 88mm artillery weapon which was quite effective and, therefore, despised by the allies.

But that is neither here nor there.

[Celerity]

59. 88 mm Flak 18/36/37/41/43 (Flugabwehrkanone ie air defence cannon)

Flak 37



Flak 36 with a Flak Rohr 18 barrel

[LisaM]

25. I don't believe for one minute he paid for them himself.

Of course, he claims not to take a salary so I suppose it's dimly possible that he deferred some of it to the flag poles, bit even that seems unlikely.

[FB47243]

26. 88 or 100 ?

I’ve only seen it reported as 88 ft thru one news outlet.
Others are sayin it’s 100ft tall.

[calimary]

62. Welcome to DU, FB47243!

Good to have you here!

[RoeVWade]

27. There was a period of time where the Nazi regime used two official flags simultaneously in Germany.

And didn't Trump install two flag poles.

[ShazzieB]

51. That proves absolutely nothing, of course.

It might be mildly interesting, IF there was anything to back it up other than pure speculation.

[robnewell]

28. Angelo Mozilo MAGA grandson

Angelo Mozilo convicted 2008 Financial Crisis exec has a MAGA grandson and here is how he treats those less well off.

https://unicourt.com/case/ca-la23-john-doe-vs-michael-mozilo-et-al-811624

[calimary]

61. Welcome to DU, robnewell!

Glad you're here!

[jmowreader]

31. And let me guess...

Since the White House ALREADY has flagpoles on the roof, one of these will have a Trump flag on it and the other a Confederate flag.

[vapor2]

32. Getting ready to raise the Russian flag

[surfered]

33. Here's ADl info...

https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/88

[Frasier Balzov]

35. My piano is surprised to hear this.

[DrMJG10]

55. Piano worried?

Get a Boesedorfer, extra keys after lower octave!

[ProfessorGAC]

58. I Played One

At a jazz competition at a major state university here, I got a chance to play either that or a Steinway fir the solo improvisation section.
I picked the Bosendorfer because I was fascinated by the extra 9 keys. (I was a 16 year old kid.)
I figured out to use a few of those notes in my planned piece & maybe 5 in my my extemporaneous piece.
But, what I found the coolest was the way the extra resonance made it sound when the dampers were up. The Nirmal low notes were amazingly rich. Of course, it was a $53,000 piano even back then. ($333k today) so, it's going to sound magnificent with 88 or 97 keys.

[Figarosmom]

43. The one in the picture looks like its leaning

Already. Maybe we'll luck out and he'll be standing by it and it'll fall. If the earth was wet from storms, will the concrete set in an hours time? That's how long they waited to hoist the flag( which is very large and heavy,)

Well the 88 sure seals the image of Hitler lover.

[BaronChocula]

44. Hats off for pointing this out

This has definitely gone under the radar as I search for the relation of the height of the poles to a hate symbol in news articles.
Nothing. Nada. Zilch.
Surprise surprise.

[BidenRocks]

49. It's the white house

brought to you by camping world.

1st day after we win. Those are gone and the Rose Garden restored.
Send chump the bill for vandalism!

[Srkdqltr]

52. A post yesterday said it was 100ft tall. Who is right?

[applegrove]

56. Sick.

[Abolishinist]

57. Another reason I hate fRump and his associates, they never ask for my input.

They could have gone with 88' 14"

[Jack Valentino]

60. Regardless of any hidden meaning, it's a massive overcompensation for

a tiny penis

[lildDemz]

64. 88 is a symbol of abundance, too.

I have a restaurant nearby named Red 88 that is now racist? Another one in a nearby town. What's all this? How real are we talking here? Nazi flagpoles.