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AverageOldGuy

(2,732 posts)
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 10:50 PM Jul 1

Did anyone else catch this point Lawrence made?

Lawrence's opening 25-minute-long statement tonight was a masterpiece. I don't know if MSNBC posts video of past shows but everyone needs to watch for it.

He made a critical point that likely will have some deadly consequences. This is what he said:
-- The big beautiful bill adds $32 billion to the ICE budget, much of which is to hire more agents.
-- Police departments nationwide report they cannot find enough qualified candidates.
-- So, why should we assume ICE will find qualified candidates?

I guarantee you ICE will hire any piece of trash who has a pulse and can hold a weapon.

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Did anyone else catch this point Lawrence made? (Original Post) AverageOldGuy Jul 1 OP
His private army malaise Jul 1 #1
Brown shirts. FalloutShelter Jul 1 #3
More Braunhemden thugs. Gimpyknee Jul 1 #8
ICE might pay a bunch more dsc Jul 1 #2
All they have to do Figarosmom Jul 1 #14
I've heard they offer "bounties"... forgotmylogin Jul 2 #16
Our DU poster, Rhiannon12866, usually posts LO's opening segment..and I'm sure glad she does! Deuxcents Jul 1 #4
is this the one? rampartd Jul 2 #29
J6 convicts seem like a reasonable source. Easy six figure salary chicoescuela Jul 1 #5
Just think of all the DENVERPOPS Jul 2 #21
AMEN! It was a masterpiece, indeed! I taped it all. ancianita Jul 1 #6
I caught it today snowybirdie Jul 2 #27
youtube has audio only of the whole show mopinko Jul 1 #7
Actions show more than words bmichaelh Jul 1 #9
They're going to come from the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, 3 percenters and other informal malitia groups. patphil Jul 1 #10
They are already full of shit people. I made a thread about how out of shape they were JI7 Jul 1 #11
And who will apply to become an ICE agent at times like these? speak easy Jul 1 #12
These people: lastlib Jul 2 #20
They already have made some really noticeable changes mahina Jul 1 #13
Here's the video of Lawrence O'Donnell, for those who missed it: Rhiannon12866 Jul 1 #15
My husband was saying he saw* they were prison guard types, so Nixie Jul 2 #17
Real cops have to have clean records, don't they? Demobrat Jul 2 #18
They will do what they always do Nasruddin Jul 2 #19
People need to understand government hiring... Pacifist Patriot Jul 2 #22
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2 #23
Nazi Germany revisited. Joinfortmill Jul 2 #24
Obvious answer: very different definitions of "qualified". eppur_se_muova Jul 2 #25
Violent thugs, criminals, psychopaths. Irish_Dem Jul 2 #26
I really enjoyed the first part of Lawrence's comments about the debate LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2 #28
"ICE will hire any piece of trash who has a pulse" PatSeg Jul 2 #30
And they're uniform is a mask Iamscrewed Jul 2 #31
which they wouldn't wear during covid nt et tu Jul 2 #32
NOT your Grandmaw's NAZIS... BurnDoubt Jul 2 #33
Thank you for the heads up, Faux pas Jul 2 #34
Blackwater RSH Jul 2 #35
Just like during Katrina. How many times has vanlassie Jul 2 #36

Figarosmom

(6,828 posts)
14. All they have to do
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 11:47 PM
Jul 1

Is offer insurance. There is a reason trump wants the health insurance decimated. People will be desperate for jobs with it.

forgotmylogin

(7,907 posts)
16. I've heard they offer "bounties"...
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 12:07 AM
Jul 2

of like $1000 per detainment. That keeps them off trackable payrolls and why they're so insistent and going for easy kidnaps.

chicoescuela

(2,120 posts)
5. J6 convicts seem like a reasonable source. Easy six figure salary
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 11:03 PM
Jul 1

and you can legally be a dick 24/7

DENVERPOPS

(12,987 posts)
21. Just think of all the
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 12:51 AM
Jul 2

extreme right wing racist hate group MILITIAS running around in the U.S. They make the Border Patrol Goons look like boy scouts.....

ancianita

(41,013 posts)
6. AMEN! It was a masterpiece, indeed! I taped it all.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 11:19 PM
Jul 1

Lawrence had to pause because he was so choked up; by then he had me weeping.

Corporate MSNBC demands you see their channel, and so they don't post either Lawrence or Rachel on YouTube for at least a day, and even then they don't post the full show. That MSNBC does that ticks me off to no end. They'll rerun him at 1am EST, two hours from now.

Thanks for your post. Let's hope MSNBC show some production sense.

bmichaelh

(865 posts)
9. Actions show more than words
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 11:29 PM
Jul 1

Do not need to hear Trump's empty words.

His actions show his priorities.

Spending billions for ICE Agents instead of healthcare and cancer research.,

His actions show what kind of person he is.

patphil

(8,085 posts)
10. They're going to come from the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, 3 percenters and other informal malitia groups.
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 11:29 PM
Jul 1

They're only qualification will be loyalty to Trump and a willingness to terrorize their targets and anyone who get in their way.
These are the equivalent of Hitler's Brown Shirts, and will perform that same function long after their ICE mission is done. They'll be his private terror force; an army to enforce his will.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

JI7

(92,309 posts)
11. They are already full of shit people. I made a thread about how out of shape they were
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 11:31 PM
Jul 1

but with the bigger budget I wonder if they would hire more gym thugs who would be harder to fight back.

speak easy

(11,947 posts)
12. And who will apply to become an ICE agent at times like these?
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 11:31 PM
Jul 1

Most probably sadists, white supremacists, and psychos. Sadistic, psycho NAZIS preferred.

Rhiannon12866

(238,709 posts)
15. Here's the video of Lawrence O'Donnell, for those who missed it:
Tue Jul 1, 2025, 11:58 PM
Jul 1


Lawrence: What you're feeling is the banality of cruelty from Trump and the Republican Party - The Last Word - MSNBC
https://democraticunderground.com/132151670

Nixie

(17,754 posts)
17. My husband was saying he saw* they were prison guard types, so
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 12:07 AM
Jul 2

they are wannabe LEOs who couldn’t find prime jobs so they go into the prison guard system. That is apparently the lower echelon for qualifications and they have a chip on their shoulders. It seems to fit what we’re seeing. Tough guy flunkies.

*edit: he saw a show or article about it. Everyone wants to know who the hell they are,



Demobrat

(10,181 posts)
18. Real cops have to have clean records, don't they?
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 12:11 AM
Jul 2

ICE will be scooping up every thug off the street and handing them a weapon.

Nasruddin

(1,067 posts)
19. They will do what they always do
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 12:20 AM
Jul 2

They will press detainees into service, in trade for release from certain death prison.
They will import special mercenaries from other countries in trade for some level of citizenship.

This is what ruthless autocrats have done since the beginning of civilization.

Pacifist Patriot

(25,051 posts)
22. People need to understand government hiring...
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 07:28 AM
Jul 2

and contracting. We can't think of ICE goons the same way we do FBI agents or CIA officers. They are not, by and large, federal employees. They are employed by government contractors. The contracts may have qualification and security stipulations, but it can sometimes be fairly easy to skirt those or dance a fine line. They are mercenaries not civil servants. Check out Paragon and their hundreds of millions of dollars in security contracts with the US government.

Response to AverageOldGuy (Original post)

eppur_se_muova

(39,408 posts)
25. Obvious answer: very different definitions of "qualified".
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 01:11 PM
Jul 2

I see by your last line you are on top of this already.

LetMyPeopleVote

(166,210 posts)
28. I really enjoyed the first part of Lawrence's comments about the debate
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 02:23 PM
Jul 2

I have or had a stutter that only shows up with I am very tired or sick. President Biden's stutter showed up early on but I agree with Lawrence that for the rest of the debate, President Biden beat the shit out of trump.

I have met President Biden twice and got to discuss stuttering with him. Here is the thread that I posted back after the debate
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219071415

I agree strongly with Lawrence's comments about that stupid debate

PatSeg

(50,587 posts)
30. "ICE will hire any piece of trash who has a pulse"
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 05:22 PM
Jul 2

Yes, that is quite obvious from what we've witnessed so far. It would be interesting to know who these creeps really are.

BurnDoubt

(802 posts)
33. NOT your Grandmaw's NAZIS...
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 06:06 PM
Jul 2

Their capabilities to surveille individuals and obscure facts and evidence and weaponize Government against "enemies" is at a level Hitler and his Palz could only fantasize. We've cuddled with an Anaconda, now wait for it to have its way. I'm waiting for the day we can turn their fire back on them and they live out their lives in the Klepto Mines.
I blame Lincoln's Humanity... they should have "finished the job". Now, we're still being tormented by these Insurrectionist Traitors. They've been hobbling the lives and progress of their brothers and sisters ever since the "Right" to own other Humans was beaten out of their hands. We didn't beat it out of their Hearts.
That's Why.....................................................................................................................................

RSH

(12 posts)
35. Blackwater
Wed Jul 2, 2025, 09:55 PM
Jul 2

Eric Prince the "born again" war criminal proposed a $25 billion plan to deport "undocumented immigrants" by possibly forming a civilian run army.

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