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There needs to be a constitutional amendment guaranteeing Universal Healthcare with no strings attached. I don't want to hear we can't afford it B.S. The Government gave 38 billion to Elon Musk alone who then helped steal health insurance from poor people. So we could give every person in America a lot of money of the 38 billion we gave to Elon Musk and the billions we give to other oligarchs and billions of dollars in the ice budget and military spending, but poor people can't have health insurance without being enslaved to employers. This is gross.

Irish_Dem
(72,509 posts)When other modern countries do so with ease.
Yes Americans have been scammed for a long time.
Bernardo de La Paz
(57,178 posts)We all benefit when health improves even if our own doesn't.
The middle-aged man caring for his elderly mother who can't afford healthcare is less able to teach the student who might find the cure for his mother's disease.
The mother who dies early is not there to help her daughter be the first in the family to go to university.
Irish_Dem
(72,509 posts)Yes the most valuable resource we have are people.
We start killing most of them and we lose quality of life.
Texin
(2,771 posts)If you're not part of this group, you're just surplus unwanted human chaff insofar as they're concerned.
paleotn
(20,627 posts)Silent Type
(10,517 posts)But I do get my zeroes messed up nowadays. I'll delete if incorrect.
standingtall
(3,096 posts)That would be almost 3 million for every person. 38 billion would be over 10 million and almost 11.
Silent Type
(10,517 posts)very accurate on a lot of things. Gotta verify.
https://www.mymathtables.com/calculator/number/billion-divide-by-million-calculator.html
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38 Billion is divided by 347 Million = 109.51
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38 Billion is divided by 347 Million = 109.51
38 Billion is divided by 348 Million = 109.195
38 Billion is divided by 349 Million = 108.883
38 Billion is divided by 350 Million = 108.571
38 Billion is divided by 351 Million = 108.262
soldierant
(8,743 posts)A British billion, on the other hand, is a million million. And the same applies when you move to trillion - An American trillion is a thousand billion, whereas a British trillion is a million (British) billion. At that [point we are apart by a substantial factor.
So, yes, 38 American billions divided by 347 million is in the neighbothood of 110.
If it were 38 British billions divided by 347 million, it would be more like 110,000.
To the best of my knowledge, all American federal accounting uses the American billion.
J_William_Ryan
(2,863 posts)There does but its not going to happen, not anytime soon.
And should we survive this fascist administration therell likely be another; theres nothing stopping the next Republican president from being an authoritarian fascist thug. Indeed, Trump has created a template for authoritarianism, executive branch precedent allowing a president to abuse his power, ignore the courts, and violate the law with impunity just as Trump was able to do.
standingtall
(3,096 posts)There is a chance
paleotn
(20,627 posts)The more inaccurate your statement will be. These things come in cycles. The pendulum will swing the other way. Whether thats in an intact US that we now recognize remains to be seen.
Bernardo de La Paz
(57,178 posts)NoRethugFriends
(3,433 posts)republianmushroom
(20,704 posts)Never !
bif
(25,921 posts)"So we could give every person in America almost 3 million dollars alone just off of 1 billion"
Does not compute, Will Robinson.
standingtall
(3,096 posts)If the google A.I. answer is correct. I always thought there were 100 million in a billion before. 347 goes into 1,000 almost 3 times.
The Madcap
(1,320 posts)Not the same as U.s. In a lot of European languages, 1 billion = 10^12, not 10^9 like in U.S.
Evolve Dammit
(21,031 posts)standingtall
(3,096 posts)at least some will and we better remember it.
Evolve Dammit
(21,031 posts)
soldierant
(8,743 posts)I likely won't, but some will, and the country will.
No telling what that will look like.
swong19104
(463 posts)is off by several zeros.
Your point is correct, but your numbers dont add up.
standingtall
(3,096 posts)and we probably could get to that number or higher if we counted all the money we've given billionaires and the ice budget. I don't want to get a headache dealing with huge numbers.
Mr.Bee
(1,034 posts)Hope22
(4,056 posts)standingtall
(3,096 posts)Pretty sure any fascist will simply claim the gold in Fort Knox was gone long before they took power to avoid accountability.
JoseBalow
(7,963 posts)
Greg_In_SF
(381 posts)of getting two thirds of either Congress, or the States, to vote for a Constitutional amendment is beyond slim.
standingtall
(3,096 posts)if we still have a Democracy or at least sort of.
Greg_In_SF
(381 posts)to the Constitution, it took 202 years to get it done.
standingtall
(3,096 posts)that only took 100 days to pass.
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Wiz Imp
(6,094 posts)In Congress to full ratification by 3/4 of the states.
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2/3rds of Congress and ratified by 3/4ths of State legislatures. For starters. We better get to unbrainwashing idiots and winning elections.
WarGamer
(17,560 posts)Every RW'er will want new amendments for their pet issues too.
More likely to have a future DEM Congress pass ACA v2.0 which pays very large subsidies up to a high income threshold FOR ALL.
Silent Type
(10,517 posts)BlueTsunami2018
(4,499 posts)Fascists dont just go away. You cant vote them out.
Theres only one way to be rid of facsists. And I dont know if the American People have the sand to do what it takes.
pfitz59
(11,642 posts)When the game is rigged one must end the game.
standingtall
(3,096 posts)All bets are off. America has been through things just as bad if not worse then fascism, None of us alive have, but America as a Nation has and came through it.
BlueTsunami2018
(4,499 posts)We need to act now. Not when there is nothing left to lose.
The warning sirens are screaming, theyve been screaming for a couple decades now and people just go about their lives oblivious to the danger.
sop
(15,238 posts)big money interests can buy elected representatives and control government. Seriously limiting presidential power, and overturning that ridiculous Trump immunity ruling, should also be a priority.
standingtall
(3,096 posts)but in order to do that we've got to take back the House and the Senate and hope we don't get anymore Manchin's,Sinema's or Fetterman's. So we can reform the Courts especially the Supreme Court. That's going to be hard, but it's more realistic then thinking we just leave it like it is and those right wing fascist enabling Judges are just going to change their ways.
AllaN01Bear
(26,525 posts)cab67
(3,440 posts)The electoral college has to go.
Political gerrymandering has to be outlawed.
Thanks to the Supreme Court, we now have to clearly state that the President is not above the law, and that corporations aren't people; and if we have to reiterate birthright citizenship and the right of everyone in this country to due process, regardless of their immigration status, even though they're already in the 14th amendment, so be it.
The ERA has to be revived.
Evangelicals like to claim "separation of church and state" isn't in the constitution; scholars disagree, but let's put it there, just to make sure.
Warpy
(113,703 posts)liberalize greatly once it's over. The exceptions seem to be those that sink into a defacto inheritable monarchy, like N. Korea, or those with an inheritable oligarchy, either business, religious, or military, that will pick the next dictator over the objections of any or all of the people.
However, those are in the minority and even they often enjoy a short period of moderation before the new thug turns sour.