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douglas9

(4,920 posts)
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:05 AM Jul 9

Why are MAGAs and Trump so cruel, mean and hateful?

It’s an honest question. What brings about the direct cruelty that we see in the MAGA movement? Why are they so gleeful to slash heathcare for 17 million Americans? Why does it give them a chuckle to throw people into Alligator Auschwitz? The idea of a detained person — who could very well be citizens and innocent people — being killed and devoured by pythons and crocodiles practically makes them giddy.

What’s going on?

Psychiatrist Dr. Russel Razzaque attempts to explain.


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/7/8/2332353/-Why-are-MAGAs-and-Trump-so-cruel-mean-and-hateful?pm_campaign=trending&pm_source=sidebar&pm_medium=web

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Why are MAGAs and Trump so cruel, mean and hateful? (Original Post) douglas9 Jul 9 OP
That essay is useless and explains nothing Bernardo de La Paz Jul 9 #1
Psychiatrist Dr. Russel Razzaque attempts to explain. douglas9 Jul 9 #5
Now that has some teeth. Their fears have been stoked bc they resent women & non-whites encroaching on their privilege. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 9 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 9 #2
Are you posting sarcasm? Bernardo de La Paz Jul 9 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 9 #13
Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay. Do you like pizza? ms liberty Jul 9 #15
This movement comes from the south Henry203 Jul 9 #3
That doesn't help. It simply defers the explanation. You say they are "cruel, mean, & hateful" because they are cruel.nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 9 #7
That's what I like about certain DUers from the north: their endless moral superiority. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jul 9 #10
I have been in Atlanta Henry203 Jul 9 #12
Thanks for the family history. Point taken. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 9 #17
My grandfather was deported Henry203 Jul 9 #18
Yeah, that fruit tree did thrive in the southern parts of the country. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 9 #20
We just don't see that level of cruelty Henry203 Jul 9 #22
Lester Maddox made ax handles the centerpiece of his campaign. mahatmakanejeeves Jul 9 #21
I visited his store Henry203 Jul 9 #23
Fear and anger creon Jul 9 #4
You could have authority without cruelty or abuse. BadgerKid Jul 9 #6
Authoritarianism depends on a lack of empathy. tRump doesn't merely have a deficit: he has zero. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 9 #9
The title of John Dean's book was similar to an important book vanlassie Jul 9 #11
How many people, out of the whole of the population, do you think... Alice B. Jul 9 #19
One generally learns 50% of what they will ever learn cachukis Jul 9 #24
To paraphrase Michael Caine edhopper Jul 9 #14

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,192 posts)
1. That essay is useless and explains nothing
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:10 AM
Jul 9

It states they lack compassion but not why.

Lacking compassion is a tautology with "cruel, mean, and hateful".

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,192 posts)
16. Now that has some teeth. Their fears have been stoked bc they resent women & non-whites encroaching on their privilege.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:44 AM
Jul 9

I've seen a couple of his before but this one actually explains something. His other videos have been a lot of words that say little. In this one he gets right into it and his points do explain things.

Authoritarians use fear as a technique. maga fears are stoked by resentment at having to compete with women and non-whites.

I would go further and say maga women resent competing with non-whites. The very few non-white maga fear being replaced by immigrants. It's of course all bogus. maga does not have extra rights. They fear DEI, but that is not about raising up incompetence, it is about giving competent capable people a chance to play on a level playing field.

They are led by rich people who have no fear of replacement but do have racism and most especially have a desire to use people for their own personal gain.

Response to douglas9 (Original post)

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,192 posts)
8. Are you posting sarcasm?
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:21 AM
Jul 9

You seem to be saying they are cruel, mean, and hateful because some deity ordains it.

Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #8)

Henry203

(651 posts)
3. This movement comes from the south
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:14 AM
Jul 9

Remember they embraced slavery and Jim Crow. These are cruel people.

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,192 posts)
7. That doesn't help. It simply defers the explanation. You say they are "cruel, mean, & hateful" because they are cruel.nt
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:19 AM
Jul 9

Henry203

(651 posts)
12. I have been in Atlanta
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:40 AM
Jul 9

Since my parents moved here in 1973. I lived in Colorado from 1977-1982. I tried to move my family back in 2013. I do have some experience living down here. Both of my girlfriends and eventually my wife were from the Midwest. It was very difficult to date down here.
My dad was from St. Louis which is in reality pretty southern. He was denied the ability to swim in the public pools. They left in 1939 and he never went back.
The Chinese as a group were treated worse than any ethnic group with the exception of black people.
It is not moral superiority but experience that has made me come to that conclusion.
How about those pictures of people celebrating lynching and treating that like a Sunday picnic. I don’t see that behavior anywhere else in the country. The cruelty is in the culture.

mahatmakanejeeves

(65,711 posts)
17. Thanks for the family history. Point taken.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:50 AM
Jul 9

My observation is that it happens much too often on DU that people will say “It’s what those people deserve for living in {some state}.”

You will not not find the sprawling Trump plantation on a map of Mississippi. Chinese railroad workers got treated poorly all across the western US. Those weren’t rose petals being tossed at MLK in the suburbs of Chicago. Stephen Miller grew up in the environs of LA.

You can find cruel people from sea to shining sea in the US of A.

And good morning.

PS In support of your point, the best book I read in the last 20 years was “Slavery By Another Name,” by ex-The Wall Street Journal. Atlanta bureau chief Douglas A. Blackmon. Just outstanding. He’s back teaching in Georgia.

Henry203

(651 posts)
18. My grandfather was deported
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:57 AM
Jul 9

In California in 1896 even though he had birthright citizenship and my German grandmother was arrested in 1910 for being with my other Chinese grandfather in Illinois. I do have some history here.
My dad moved to NYC in 1939 with his mom following his sister. Obviously all in all they were treated better up north. None ever went back to St. Louis even for a visit.
I was talking to my brother just yesterday. He lives in KC. He offered to drive my dad to visit St. Louis. My dad said “ Why would I want to go there”? Too much pain.
Even Atlanta was segregated until 1963.

Yes other parts of the country were racist but none ever celebrated lynching like the south.

mahatmakanejeeves

(65,711 posts)
20. Yeah, that fruit tree did thrive in the southern parts of the country.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 09:03 AM
Jul 9

Illinois had sundown towns, and there were lynchings in the northern states, but for extent it’s hard to beat the South.

There’s a book out about sundown towns, but I can’t recall the name.

Take a look at Blackmon’s book. It was an eye-opener for me.

Henry203

(651 posts)
22. We just don't see that level of cruelty
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 09:09 AM
Jul 9

And I believe it has spread to the entire country at this point.

Henry203

(651 posts)
23. I visited his store
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 09:11 AM
Jul 9

In underground Atlanta in 1973. My Jewish friend couldn’t take it and walked right back out.

creon

(1,751 posts)
4. Fear and anger
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:18 AM
Jul 9

Those are two factors driving them.
One factor that they do not have:
the principle of calculated risk.

BadgerKid

(4,865 posts)
6. You could have authority without cruelty or abuse.
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:18 AM
Jul 9

But abusers get some sort of pleasure or maybe relief by carrying out the act.

Bernardo de La Paz

(57,192 posts)
9. Authoritarianism depends on a lack of empathy. tRump doesn't merely have a deficit: he has zero. . . . nt
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:23 AM
Jul 9

vanlassie

(6,041 posts)
11. The title of John Dean's book was similar to an important book
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 08:26 AM
Jul 9

that was released eight years earlier, titled “Children Without a Concience” by Dr. Ken Magid. This book explained how Empathy can fail to develop when early needs of a baby and child are not met. In a nutshell, he said the first three years of life are critical, and if needs are neglected, empathy does not form and it is not reversible. After the first three years, a child’s unmet needs are more likely to result in neuroticism.
I don’t recall if I ever read John Dean’s book, but at the time I assumed Dean had read Magid’s book.

Alice B.

(565 posts)
19. How many people, out of the whole of the population, do you think...
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 09:02 AM
Jul 9

… are like this?

The depth of irrational hatred for others feels insurmountable. I’m seeing it more clearly in people I’ve known, or thought I’ve known, for years. The only heartening thing is they’re not 100% comfortable being fully out about it. It’s like “why don’t you just say it out loud and with your privacy settings on ‘public,’ a******. And let me tag your employer while we’re at it.”

cachukis

(3,331 posts)
24. One generally learns 50% of what they will ever learn
Wed Jul 9, 2025, 09:32 AM
Jul 9

by age 4. 70 to 80% by age 8.
You are mostly living the language skills you get before pubescence for the rest of your life.
Low and middle brow tools cannot compete in high brow competition.
The excuses and blame have become endemic in much of our society.
Now they (the powers that be), want to guarantee low and middle brow thinking reliance on AI.
Some of us will miss the transition, but it is in full gear right now.

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