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JFC, this is weird... worth watching the whole video (approx 16 mins).
End of times prophecy says that five red heifers must be sacrificed -- burned -- to usher in the apocalypse. In 2022, a rich Texan exported five red heifers to Israel, which prohibits the import of US beef. They classified the animals as pets, and flew them in on a private jet.
In Feb 2023, Mike Johnson hosted a meeting of evangelical congress members, where he shared the news that the heifers had arrived in Israel.
In order to sacrifice the heifers, they have to first construct a structure for their burning that meets Biblical instructions. The derails are unbelievable.

EYESORE 9001
(28,941 posts)Sure wish something unsavory emerges soon about the private life of this sanctimonious sack oshit.
dweller
(27,034 posts)Apocalypse on my bingo card
arent we ahead of schedule ?
Or is this just another distraction FOR THE EPSTEINTH TIME ?!?
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eppur_se_muova
(39,816 posts)bucolic_frolic
(52,203 posts)Cue the Looney Tunes
Blue-Gill1972
(6 posts)Johnson and I are from the same hometown, Shreveport, LA. Hes just Trumps stooge. The President likes Johnson as a person who is easy to manipulate and push around. The Speaker doesnt have the guts to stand up to Trump.
Ars Longa
(262 posts)the rest of us alone, to live our lives FFS
LetMyPeopleVote
(169,179 posts)Baitball Blogger
(50,842 posts)But if it is, I say that we make an End Times park for the Evangelicals and give them one way tickets.
hatrack
(63,448 posts)
jmbar2
(7,263 posts)brush
(61,018 posts)jmbar2
(7,263 posts)Religious nuttery is driving many of the worst actions of the Republican party. This particular piece of nuttery ties radical Jewish and right wing Christians together in activities that contribute to the ethnic cleansing/genocide of Palestinians.
It is part of their end-times belief systems, which also drives the dismantling of so much government infrastructure. They don't care if they destroy the world, and may seek to hasten it in order to enable end-time prophecy.
These people should be nowhere near the wheels of government.
brush
(61,018 posts)But the people destroying the world are, which is why we need to understand what they are doing.
Wifes husband
(508 posts)And go about your day.
Diraven
(1,536 posts)It's to show how our leaders are making national policy based on religious craziness.
brush
(61,018 posts)Mossfern
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It's for information purposes, and this is a very dangerous group. Many of the GOP believe in this, making policy around it and want to legislate extreme Christian "values" for us all to further the cause of hastening the apocalypse.
Some right wing ultra Orthodox Jew buy into this - therefore the West Bank settlers and the belief that God gave them Judea and Samaria.
It was about twenty year ago that I had a vicious argument with one of these freaks who supported the Temple Mount Faithful. He was a purveyor of essential oils. I had issue with the name of his company and especially that he was selling a mixture of incense that is forbidden to those of the Jewish faith because it is only to be used once the Temple is rebuilt- which according to scripture will not happen until after Moschiach appears. I am not a religious person, but I do know a bit about these things.
So much for my brief explanation of the issue from one stand point. These people are obnoxious as they come and are even a danger to us in the US. I'm sure they're supported by Netanyahu and his ilk even though I don't believe that he believes it - they just give him more support in Israel to further his agenda.
stepping off my soap box now.....
ETA: I just googled the company, they're still in business and still making the Temple fragrances.
brush
(61,018 posts)I don't think there are fervent Bible tumpers here on DU. And I also think we know they are dangerous magats. Does not need to be here.
Mossfern
(4,296 posts)if it weren't that video, but a warning that the US Speaker of the House is involved in dangerous groups that threaten the security of the US and of Palestinians and may define the GOP agenda.
I do agree that the video is over the top and creepy.
Jack Valentino
(3,163 posts)littlemissmartypants
(29,291 posts)
Snip...
Taylor, who specializes in Protestant studies as senior scholar at the Institute for Islamic, Christian, and Jewish Studies in Baltimore, Maryland, is a gifted narrator and an incisive analyst. The Violent Take It By Force: The Christian Movement That is Threatening Our Democracy, just released in October 2024, is as riveting and disquieting as the podcast. Disquieting because the movement he writes about appears closer to realizing what Ché Ahn spoke of four years ago, a triumph that would bring an end to the protection from religious coercion that the First Amendment is intended to provide. The Courage Tour that targeted nineteen counties in the seven swing states with spirit-filled revivals firing up the faithful for Donald Trump in the recent election campaign demonstrated the movements ongoing vitality.The New Apostolic Reformation
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Apostolic and prophetic governance forms one of the three legs of the ideological stool, as Taylor describes it, undergirding a mega-network that emerged in 1996 called the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). Taylor writes that the NAR connected a large sector of independent, charismatic Christianity in what became a potent network of Christian leaders who built the theology of Christian Trumpism and then inspired thousands of Christians to show up on January 6 to fight for Donald Trump.2 Under the radar of most media analysts, including prominent evangelicals, NAR-connected charismatic leaders and their ideas have moved from the margins to the center of politicized right-wing evangelicalism. They have become frontline captains in Americas culture wars.32022 (screen capture).
Ché Ahns January 5, 2021, remarks also manifest the two other legs of the NAR stoolstrategic-level spiritual warfare and the Seven Mountains Mandate. The NAR takes to another level the fairly commonplace notion of prayer warriors who do battle against evil in the spiritual realm on behalf of individuals. At the strategic level of spiritual warfare, apostles and prophets have authority to lead massive prayer campaigns against specific territorial spiritscommanders in the hierarchy of cosmic principalities and powers who are assigned to rule specific geo-political territories or institutions. Jezebel thus apparently names a specific, command-level demon holding sway over the U. S. government that was to be cast out by Jehu, representing generals of intercession leading believers in a targeted campaign of spiritual warfare. The Seven Mountains Mandate, bidding Christians to attain dominance over the major realms of human society, forms the ideological link between warfare in the invisible, cosmic realm and political conflict in the visible, earth-bound realm. Thus, success in the spiritual campaign means that on the ground, in Ahns words, Christians are going to rule and reign through President Trump.
But why Trump? And how could all of this be conceived of as under the lordship of Jesus Christ. In The Violent Take It By Force, Taylor tells the story of how NAR-connected leaders have exerted an outsized influence in bringing about the apparent incongruity of evangelical conservatives giving overwhelming and ardent support to a man whose unrepentant immorality, unapologetic self-aggrandizement, and unceasing lies seem to put him utterly at odds with the moral values they say they want implemented in public life. The narrative centers on former Fuller Seminary professor C. Peter Wagner (1930-2016), the architect of the NAR, and reads like a novel in relating how the lives of a vivid cast of characters intersected with Wagner and each other in the process of forming a movement that has made a vast impact.
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https://spectrummagazine.org/culture/books-film/from-revival-to-riot-a-review-of-matthew-d-taylors-the-violent-take-it-by-force/
jmbar2
(7,263 posts)littlemissmartypants
(29,291 posts)eppur_se_muova
(39,816 posts)The article at the link just describes a bunch of different people making up various (supposedly portentous) names for whatever wackadoo "ideas"* pop into their heads, and then trying to persuade others to accept them. Then some other ostensible "spiritual" "leader" (quotes alone are not enough to express my dubiety here) more-or-less accepts them, rearranges them a bit to suit his/her own agenda, renames them, and then starts a new parade with him/herself at the front. And so it goes. It's like an endless conveyor belt for whirly-eyed fundy cults. It turns my stomach in small doses; the emetic properties of a full dose are something I don't want to experience.
*read: weird things they claim the voices in their heads said.
Autumn
(48,291 posts)I belive it's called the White House's Center for Faith and Opportunity Initiative
brush
(61,018 posts)Crunchy Frog
(27,788 posts)
brush
(61,018 posts)We don't need to be promoting it on DU.
Crunchy Frog
(27,788 posts)Jack Valentino
(3,163 posts)only helping to inform us on the details of the enemy's insanity....
Autumn
(48,291 posts)Speaker Of the Fucking House. The dumb fuck hosted a meeting of evangelical congress members, where he shared the news that the five red heifers had arrived in Israel. To be sacrificed and usher in the end of times.
If it bothers you hide the thread.
Response to Autumn (Reply #64)
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Autumn
(48,291 posts)Contact the admins if it bothers you that much.
Crunchy Frog
(27,788 posts)they occupy very powerful positions.
Posting about the activities of the religiously insane is not the same thing as endorsing or promoting their views.
brush
(61,018 posts)winger sites.
Crunchy Frog
(27,788 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(104,526 posts)but the claim "Johnson has delivered" in the thread title is different from the thread text ("a rich Texan exported ... Johnson ... shared the news that the heifers had arrived " ).
"Breaking Points" appears to be a "left v. right! Watch them fight!" video channel/podcast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_Points
I suspect the OP posted it because it does make Johnson look a bit unhinged, but I can't be bothered watching a video of low-quality origin to see if the evidence holds up or not.
jmbar2
(7,263 posts)As long as we're getting technical, there is no "us" v "them" fighting in this video. Just a pretty good summation of various stories on this topic.
muriel_volestrangler
(104,526 posts)Look up "red heifer" in the Bible (Numbers 19 - and the nutters in the video put this up behind them), and it gives instructions for the Israelites, while they're still in the wilderness, on what to do to sacrifice a red heifer as a purification ritual - and it names the priest concerned - ie it only applied at that time (this is if you believe all of the Bible is true, of course - in reality, there is no archaeological evidence for Exodus etc. ever happening. Hundreds of thousands of people wandering through Sinai would leave signs). That priest - Eleazar, son of Aaron, died long before the first Temple was built in Jerusalem, or the Israelites had even captured Jerusalem (again, that's if you insist on using the Bible as history).
So, some nutter, at some time, decided to pick up a few sentences about the Israelite time in the wilderness, and magic them into "we have been told to do this now", and then "this will bring the Messiah" (for the first time, or the second time, depending on if you're Jewish or Christian). But that's not in anyone's Bible. The least they could do is name the guy (it's bound to be a guy) who first claimed this.
So I'm not very impressed with the video. Because the fact that this doesn't come from the Bible, but from some later, unnamed, religious movement, is pretty important.
Nittersing
(7,569 posts)Celerity
(51,734 posts)RedWhiteBlueIsRacist
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These kooks have nothing positive to offer humanity.
jeffreyi
(2,422 posts)Cult away among your own kind.
Blue Full Moon
(2,744 posts)They can cause the apocalypse and bring Jesus back.
Ping Tung
(3,505 posts)I'm wary of any deity (or person) who requires animal scarifies to keep him jolly.
Donkees
(33,055 posts)PufPuf23
(9,554 posts)Biblical prophecy has zero business in national policy.
This crap is used to manipulate emotions for political outcomes.
The prophecy justifies the haters and fosters the violence in the Middle East.
Girard442
(6,751 posts)The End Times may be a bit delayed.
BoRaGard
(7,295 posts)can't say I'm surprised, the notorious pedo-protection republicon "morals" being what they are.
Beastly sort of thing, and all that.
rampartd
(2,405 posts)the 30% pf repubs that he leverages to rule the world
Blue Owl
(57,247 posts)
jls4561
(2,669 posts)Satan, if youre listening
release the Epstein files!
You know Donnie spared them as bedtime reading.
Clouds Passing
(5,660 posts)tanyev
(47,681 posts)They know that Jews dont do very well in the evangelical fantasy of the End Times, right?
LetMyPeopleVote
(169,179 posts)tanyev
(47,681 posts)the other partner in order to accomplish their own goals. The thing is, theres enough firepower in the world today for it to have a truly apocalyptic outcome. Not the fantasy apocalypse they imagine will make them rulers of the world, but something very, very bad where everybody loses.
And honestly, if the God they believe in actually is omniscient and omnipotent, isnt he in control? Deliberately trying to make a prophecy happen shows a distinct lack of faith in Gods plan and Gods timing.
markodochartaigh
(3,791 posts)"it's one of those things where both parties think they are manipulating the other..."
And from Wikipedia here's another: "Rather, the conservatives that helped to make him chancellor were convinced that they could control Hitler and "tame" the Nazi Party while setting the relevant impulses in the government themselves..."
Temple Mount Faithful
Both groups have similar goals and are assisting each other.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Mount_Faithful
Eliot Rosewater
(33,833 posts)
You dont want me to say anybody do you, you dont want me to say it yes all because of the way a certain group acted in 2016

czarjak
(13,151 posts)Hastening The Second Coming. Definitely a dangerous belief system. But, here we are.
struggle4progress
(124,304 posts)darkness, not light, like a man fleeing from a lion and meeting a bear --- or leaning his hand on a wall and being bitten by a snake. The day of the Lord will be darkness with no light in it. I hate and abhor your feast days and your solemn assemblies. If you offer me burnt offerings, I will not accept them, nor will I regard your peace offerings of fat beasts. Away with your many songs: I will not hear the melodies. But let justice cascade like waters and righteousness like a mighty river
Amos 5
Turbineguy
(39,293 posts)That way I can borrow some money.
jmbar2
(7,263 posts)Wifes husband
(508 posts)They have to go through a serious farfetched analysis to come up with this rapture thing. I know this will cause a disturbance in the force, and I won't respond, but there is no biblical substance to this whole rapture thing. This is just ignorance
Discuss at your leisure
Cognitive_Resonance
(1,560 posts)jmbar2
(7,263 posts)I took a course in religious revivalism many years ago, having grown up in a purely secular household and wanting to understand how the other half thinks. I had forgotten about this guy until now.
Wifes husband
(508 posts)I am certainly not biblical scholar, but I have known several who've told me that there is just no significant biblical support for this stuff.
At least that's what my grandma told me!
malaise
(288,557 posts)Lunatics
usonian
(20,066 posts)
BoRaGard
(7,295 posts)
markodochartaigh
(3,791 posts)regnaD kciN
(27,235 posts)Now, thats something I can support!
Diraven
(1,536 posts)Unless Israel seizes the whole Temple Mount from the Muslims and expells them, and then tears down the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock to build a massive new Temple with an altar to sacrifice the heifers on, this wild plan totally is jumping the gun. Unfortunately we have leaders now who are pushing Israel to do exactly this. Any resulting chaos and war would be a welcome bonus hailed as the start of Armageddon.
Mblaze
(702 posts)Have already experienced an apocalypse. Five red heifers and four horses make a great apocalyptic team.
MrWowWow
(993 posts)MineralMan
(149,705 posts)Figarosmom
(8,175 posts)MayReasonRule
(3,752 posts)Be Leave On
(302 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(169,179 posts)This story could be true. As a Jew, it is common knowledge the support from the Amercian religious right is due in some part due to a belief that the existence of Israel is essential for their belief in a second coming.
Link to tweet
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/apocalypse-another-disturbing-reason-behind-right-wings-pro-israel-obsession
These are the folks who believe that there will be a millennium in the future, a golden age, where Christ reigns on Earth, [and] they believe that before Christ will return, there will be a tribulation where Christ defeats evil, she said. There will be natural disasters and wars, and perhaps an Antichrist, as the book of Revelations notes. Then at the end of that period, the people of the Mosaic covenant, including the Jews, will convert. Then after their conversion, the great millennium starts.
She continued: You have this group of people looking around for signs of the end time, and in the 20th century when Israel was founded, this was seen as a major sign. This was electrifying for that community because the gathering of all the Jews in exile to the Holy Land is a prerequisite for all of these events unfolding. So for the subset of evangelicals in the 20th century, support for Israel became a really, really important political position.
And as evangelical Christianity grew into a central part of the GOPs coalition, pro-Israel policies became cemented in the partys ideology.
The alliance between the evangelicals and pro-Israeli Jews, though, is a peculiar partnership. The Christians enter into the bargain with the assumption that, when they reach their goal of the apocalypse, any Jews will either become Christians or go to hell. But their pro-Israel allies dont seem to mind this much, perhaps because they dont believe this version of the apocalypse will ever actually come to be and as long as it is just a fantasy, their interests and those of evangelicals remain aligned.
For example, the US embassy in Israel by trump to appease these nut cases. This story may be crazy but the nut cases who want an apocopypse worry me
Wounded Bear
(62,869 posts)
Jack Valentino
(3,163 posts)five orange heifers.....
do they have to burn him to bring on the apocalypse ?
flvegan
(65,238 posts)be considered suicide? Isn't that like, a sin in Christian eyes?
Sibelius Fan
(24,733 posts)Hekate
(99,273 posts)
who these nutballs are and what their plans for America are. I was raised to respect other peoples religions but in the last 25 years Ive made a mature decision that some are not in that category, and heres why.
Very short version: they are dangerous now, and in the halls of power now, and we have to recognize and understand them. Skip the rest if you dont want to know the history.
When I was a child, certain Christian sects (and in the 1950s this was a largely Christian country; also largely white, but that is a different tale) were on the fringe the far fringe but as long as they stayed away from the rest of us sinners, it was live and let live. Sure, I knew some adults who made snide remarks about Holy Rollers and Snake Handlers, but no one was trying to hunt them down, for petes sake. It was like being an anti-vaxxer nearly everybody else knew that polio, whooping cough, and all the other killers were not Gods will but the products of microbes and viruses, so the vast majority of parents made sure to hold their babies tight while the doc gave them a jab.
Heres the difference today: those religious fringe groups are now in the centers of power. Speaker of the House Johnson is absolutely one of them. People like Trump dont believe in anything holy, but they certainly find the religious fanatics (or as some here have always called them, the religiously insane) useful in their quest for ultimate worldly power, and vice versa. Same with Musk.
Hegseth, for instance has found a god who affirms his lust for dominance. I do think he is sincere, in his drug and alcohol soaked mind, but he is also extremely dangerous. He is purging women, LGBTQ+ , and I suspect anybody Black or brown from the military hierarchy. He believes women and trans people have no business being in the US military. He, like Trump, has a caveman image of a war fighter a male all bulked up and ready to kill with his bare hands. The fact that wars are now fought with brains and electronics escapes him. He also believes women have no business being able to vote. He is a White Christian Nationalist.
The federal government and military are now run by (pay attention) White Christian Nationalists and those who find them useful. Just for fun, explore Christian Dominionism (Hegseth, Johnson, et al) and its ties to home schooling, politics, the End Times, and all that. Because of the many conversations around Dominionism in the early years of DU, I took a dive into research from reliable liberal sources, and went down a rabbit hole to where I felt I was staring into the Abyss, the Heart of Darkness. I remember it pretty vividly, but Ive never been able to return because it made me sick. You all, however, should take a look.
Our Supreme Court, after decades of GOP maneuvering, has a majority of Roman Catholics. I have no problem with Roman Catholics per se, since all 4 of my grandparents were, but several if not most of the conservatives on our High Court are Opus Dei, and that is a cult. Opus Dei, if I recall correctly, skirts the Pope. Not everything called Catholic is kosher (oops, wrong culture, LOL) . As far as anyone can tell Roberts, Alito, Scalia, and Thomas for sure
We need to talk about them sometimes so we can see them coming and they are here now.
jmbar2
(7,263 posts)I first started encountering Dominionism in 2012 when I lived in Texas and they took over a small college department where I worked. Everyone who didn't fit their worldview was picked off and fired for ridiculous reasons, one after the other, and replaced with "chosen" ones. It was at the time when Rick Perry was thought to be the annointed one to usher in their takeover of the US. When that didn't work out, they thought it would be Ted Cruz. I found it inconceivable that they would coalesce around someone like Trump, but here we are.
I did a deep dive on their goals, teachings and connections and have followed the cult ever since. I never dreamed that the Dominionist//Christian nationalist/and other related cults would become so successful. I will continue to follow their nefarious activities and post when I run across interesting stuff. But I will never underestimate them.
We need to know who we are up against as we fight to preserve democracy and the freedoms that we used to be able to take for granted.
Hekate
(99,273 posts)Know thy enemy
hildegaard28
(769 posts)Opposed to human sacrifice in general, if it gets rid of Mike Johnson I am all for it.
markodochartaigh
(3,791 posts)For those who can't believe that this apocalyptic cult is real, or who can't handle the reality that this cult has so much power, with leaders in government and business: Please, for your own peace of mind, stay away from Jeff Sharlet's books, especially "The Family". Continue to watch sitcoms and "reality" tv. When it is your turn to board the trucks for the camps, rest assured you will be picked up.
B.See
(6,340 posts)one sick, deluded PUPPY to 1) not only look forward to the end of times but try to bring it about, and 2) believe it's going to go well for YOU if such a thing occurred.
Here's a suggestion, morons: do us a favour and end YOUR fkn time,
Leave the rest of us alone.