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jmbar2

(7,263 posts)
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 02:23 PM Aug 16

SOH Mike Johnson and the five red heifers transported to Israel to be sacrificed in celebration of the End times

Last edited Sat Aug 16, 2025, 03:00 PM - Edit history (1)

JFC, this is weird... worth watching the whole video (approx 16 mins).

End of times prophecy says that five red heifers must be sacrificed -- burned -- to usher in the apocalypse. In 2022, a rich Texan exported five red heifers to Israel, which prohibits the import of US beef. They classified the animals as pets, and flew them in on a private jet.

In Feb 2023, Mike Johnson hosted a meeting of evangelical congress members, where he shared the news that the heifers had arrived in Israel.

In order to sacrifice the heifers, they have to first construct a structure for their burning that meets Biblical instructions. The derails are unbelievable.

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SOH Mike Johnson and the five red heifers transported to Israel to be sacrificed in celebration of the End times (Original Post) jmbar2 Aug 16 OP
Creeping jeebus EYESORE 9001 Aug 16 #1
I don't have dweller Aug 16 #2
OK, I gotta remember to use "the Epsteinth time" ... nt eppur_se_muova Aug 17 #89
This isn't FAKE??? bucolic_frolic Aug 16 #3
Johnson Blue-Gill1972 Aug 16 #4
Can't God just beam HIM up, and leave Ars Longa Aug 16 #86
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Aug 17 #91
This can't be true. Baitball Blogger Aug 16 #5
I'd like to suggest a title - "To Serve Man" hatrack Aug 16 #7
I am waiting for the South Park treatment of the story jmbar2 Aug 16 #12
WTF. Religious propaganda on DU. Why? brush Aug 16 #6
The reason why is important jmbar2 Aug 16 #11
The End Times? The Rapture? The Apocalypse? Seriously? This is DU not a hotbed of Bible thumpers. brush Aug 16 #17
Understood jmbar2 Aug 16 #18
Use the ignore option Wifes husband Aug 16 #34
The purpose of this post isn't to promote this Diraven Aug 16 #39
So we at DU promote it further? Makes no sense to me. brush Aug 16 #53
I don't see it as promoting it Mossfern Aug 16 #61
Cybercasting it here and releasing it into the either is promoting it. It belongs on winger sites not here. brush Aug 16 #63
Would you be more accepting here Mossfern Aug 16 #69
DU isn't 'promoting' it---- but putting a spotlight on the absurdity Jack Valentino Aug 16 #76
This might help explain the seriousness of their insanity... littlemissmartypants Aug 16 #41
Thank you for posting this! jmbar2 Aug 16 #55
My pleasure. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Aug 16 #78
While this may be informative - & forewarned is forearmed - I don't think I could stand to read an entire book about it. eppur_se_muova Aug 17 #90
Unfortunatley the fucking bible thumping nuts are in our government. Autumn Aug 16 #50
Understood, but why is this posted here? Why further release it into cyberspace? brush Aug 16 #51
Because it's part of current events? Crunchy Frog Aug 16 #54
It's religious propaghanda on DU and IMO it belongs onwinger sites if anybody wants it. brush Aug 16 #58
You can alert on it if you think it breaks DU rules. Crunchy Frog Aug 16 #60
Nobody is 'promoting' it, for Christ's sake.... (so to speak) Jack Valentino Aug 16 #77
Mike Johnson is the Speaker of the house. He's involved. Autumn Aug 16 #64
Post removed Post removed Aug 16 #66
It's not promoting. It's called discussing a current event. That's what we adults do here. Autumn Aug 16 #67
It's entirely legitimate to report on the activities of people who believe in that stuff, especially when Crunchy Frog Aug 16 #52
Posting it here just further promotes it. I'm going to alert on it. Don't want to see this crap here. Belongs on... brush Aug 16 #56
You can always hide the thread. Crunchy Frog Aug 16 #57
I defer to anyone with the patience to watch a 16 min clickbait video muriel_volestrangler Aug 16 #16
My sloppy header - will correct jmbar2 Aug 16 #22
The odd thing is that no one ever names the "prophet" who came up with this bollocks muriel_volestrangler Aug 16 #70
Here's an article from CBS Nittersing Aug 16 #30
It's exposure and criticism of the batshittery. nt Celerity Aug 16 #24
Religious insanity. They should leave animal sacrifice out of their religion, and just sacrifice themselves. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Aug 16 #8
Yep. Leave the animals and the kids and the non consenting out of it. jeffreyi Aug 16 #35
There is a group of rich old men that think Blue Full Moon Aug 16 #9
Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man. Thomas Paine Ping Tung Aug 16 #10
Holy Cow Donkees Aug 16 #13
Rimshot jmbar2 Aug 16 #15
Mike Johnson and pals are batshit insane and evil. PufPuf23 Aug 16 #14
Word has it that one of the heifers was seen in the company of Matt Gaetz, sooooo.... Girard442 Aug 16 #19
So the red republicon heifers are on the Epstein list, too? BoRaGard Aug 16 #29
this is the heart of krasnov's cult rampartd Aug 16 #20
Full-fledged KOOK Blue Owl Aug 16 #21
A lot of these so-called Christians are going to be very surprised by where they'll spend the afterlife. jls4561 Aug 16 #23
This bunch of freaks have been working at bringing around the apocalypse on purpose for a long time. Clouds Passing Aug 16 #25
Who in Israel is cooperating with this? tanyev Aug 16 #26
Jews know that the backbone of Israel's support in the U.S. is the evangelical Christians and not American Jews LetMyPeopleVote Aug 16 #65
Yep, it's one of those things where both parties think they are manipulating tanyev Aug 16 #72
Spot on. markodochartaigh Aug 16 #81
Look up Mossfern Aug 16 #75
This country is so completely and entirely fucked Eliot Rosewater Aug 16 #27
Dominionism czarjak Aug 16 #28
Woe unto you who seek the day of the Lord: how would it concern you? The day of the Lord will be struggle4progress Aug 16 #31
I'd like to know when the apocalypse is scheduled Turbineguy Aug 16 #32
Yeah, can we have all your stuff? jmbar2 Aug 16 #33
These people are going to be surprised. Wifes husband Aug 16 #36
It's Darbyism Cognitive_Resonance Aug 16 #49
Thanks for posting - interesting. jmbar2 Aug 16 #59
Yeah, I know. Wifes husband Aug 16 #68
The planet is inhabited by more than a few malaise Aug 16 #37
First, the golden calf!! usonian Aug 16 #38
Wow - repubes on their knees to mammon man BoRaGard Aug 16 #46
And this one is actually real markodochartaigh Aug 16 #82
They're going to sacrifice Mike Johnson...? regnaD kciN Aug 16 #40
To be fair Diraven Aug 16 #42
The minds of MAGA "Christians" Mblaze Aug 16 #43
Rapture? I Got Yer Rapture Right Here MAGA Mike! MrWowWow Aug 16 #44
Best Episode Ever! MineralMan Aug 17 #92
They are all freaks...mentally ill....nt Figarosmom Aug 16 #45
Delusional Malevolence Is A Hell Of A Drug MayReasonRule Aug 16 #47
christi-insanity Be Leave On Aug 16 #48
It's all about the Apocalypse: Another disturbing reason behind the right wing's pro-Israel obsession LetMyPeopleVote Aug 16 #62
Save the cows. Sacrifice Johnson... Wounded Bear Aug 16 #71
TRUMP is roughly equal to five red heifers.... or Jack Valentino Aug 16 #73
Wouldn't actively ushering in "the apocalypse" or end times flvegan Aug 16 #74
Make believe. Dangerous, infantile make believe. Sibelius Fan Aug 16 #79
TY to those like LMSP who took the time to give a detailed reply to the disturbed. It is important to know... Hekate Aug 16 #80
Thank you for a thoughtful discussion jmbar2 Aug 16 #84
Thanks back atcha Hekate Aug 16 #87
While I am hildegaard28 Aug 16 #83
Public Service Announcement: markodochartaigh Aug 16 #85
I figure someone would have to be B.See Aug 16 #88

EYESORE 9001

(28,941 posts)
1. Creeping jeebus
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 02:26 PM
Aug 16

Sure wish something unsavory emerges soon about the private life of this sanctimonious sack o’shit.

dweller

(27,034 posts)
2. I don't have
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 02:27 PM
Aug 16

Apocalypse on my bingo card … aren’t we ahead of schedule ?

Or is this just another distraction FOR THE EPSTEINTH TIME ?!?





✌🏻

Blue-Gill1972

(6 posts)
4. Johnson
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 02:28 PM
Aug 16

Johnson and I are from the same hometown, Shreveport, LA. He’s just Trump’s stooge. The President likes Johnson as a person who is easy to manipulate and push around. The Speaker doesn’t have the guts to stand up to Trump.

Baitball Blogger

(50,842 posts)
5. This can't be true.
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 02:29 PM
Aug 16

But if it is, I say that we make an End Times park for the Evangelicals and give them one way tickets.

jmbar2

(7,263 posts)
11. The reason why is important
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 02:40 PM
Aug 16

Religious nuttery is driving many of the worst actions of the Republican party. This particular piece of nuttery ties radical Jewish and right wing Christians together in activities that contribute to the ethnic cleansing/genocide of Palestinians.

It is part of their end-times belief systems, which also drives the dismantling of so much government infrastructure. They don't care if they destroy the world, and may seek to hasten it in order to enable end-time prophecy.

These people should be nowhere near the wheels of government.

brush

(61,018 posts)
17. The End Times? The Rapture? The Apocalypse? Seriously? This is DU not a hotbed of Bible thumpers.
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 02:49 PM
Aug 16

jmbar2

(7,263 posts)
18. Understood
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 02:53 PM
Aug 16

But the people destroying the world are, which is why we need to understand what they are doing.

Diraven

(1,536 posts)
39. The purpose of this post isn't to promote this
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 04:28 PM
Aug 16

It's to show how our leaders are making national policy based on religious craziness.

Mossfern

(4,296 posts)
61. I don't see it as promoting it
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 06:13 PM
Aug 16

Last edited Sat Aug 16, 2025, 07:00 PM - Edit history (1)

It's for information purposes, and this is a very dangerous group. Many of the GOP believe in this, making policy around it and want to legislate extreme Christian "values" for us all to further the cause of hastening the apocalypse.
Some right wing ultra Orthodox Jew buy into this - therefore the West Bank settlers and the belief that God gave them Judea and Samaria.

It was about twenty year ago that I had a vicious argument with one of these freaks who supported the Temple Mount Faithful. He was a purveyor of essential oils. I had issue with the name of his company and especially that he was selling a mixture of incense that is forbidden to those of the Jewish faith because it is only to be used once the Temple is rebuilt- which according to scripture will not happen until after Moschiach appears. I am not a religious person, but I do know a bit about these things.

So much for my brief explanation of the issue from one stand point. These people are obnoxious as they come and are even a danger to us in the US. I'm sure they're supported by Netanyahu and his ilk even though I don't believe that he believes it - they just give him more support in Israel to further his agenda.

stepping off my soap box now.....

ETA: I just googled the company, they're still in business and still making the Temple fragrances.

brush

(61,018 posts)
63. Cybercasting it here and releasing it into the either is promoting it. It belongs on winger sites not here.
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 06:27 PM
Aug 16

I don't think there are fervent Bible tumpers here on DU. And I also think we know they are dangerous magats. Does not need to be here.

Mossfern

(4,296 posts)
69. Would you be more accepting here
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 07:06 PM
Aug 16

if it weren't that video, but a warning that the US Speaker of the House is involved in dangerous groups that threaten the security of the US and of Palestinians and may define the GOP agenda.

I do agree that the video is over the top and creepy.

littlemissmartypants

(29,291 posts)
41. This might help explain the seriousness of their insanity...
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 04:38 PM
Aug 16

Snip...
Taylor, who specializes in Protestant studies as senior scholar at the Institute for Islamic, Christian, and Jewish Studies in Baltimore, Maryland, is a gifted narrator and an incisive analyst. The Violent Take It By Force: The Christian Movement That is Threatening Our Democracy, just released in October 2024, is as riveting and disquieting as the podcast. Disquieting because the movement he writes about appears closer to realizing what Ché Ahn spoke of four years ago, a triumph that would bring an end to the protection from religious coercion that the First Amendment is intended to provide. The Courage Tour that targeted nineteen counties in the seven swing states with spirit-filled revivals firing up the faithful for Donald Trump in the recent election campaign demonstrated the movement’s ongoing vitality.The New Apostolic Reformation
Snip
Apostolic and prophetic governance forms one of the three legs of the ideological stool, as Taylor describes it, undergirding a mega-network that emerged in 1996 called the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). Taylor writes that the NAR connected a large sector of independent, charismatic Christianity in what became a “potent network of Christian leaders” who “built the theology of Christian Trumpism and then inspired thousands of Christians to show up on January 6 to fight for Donald Trump.”2 Under the radar of most media analysts, including prominent evangelicals, NAR-connected charismatic leaders and their ideas have moved from the margins to the center of politicized right-wing evangelicalism. They have become “frontline captains in America’s culture wars.”32022 (screen capture).

Ché Ahn’s January 5, 2021, remarks also manifest the two other legs of the NAR stool—strategic-level spiritual warfare and the Seven Mountains Mandate. The NAR takes to another level the fairly commonplace notion of “prayer warriors” who do battle against evil in the spiritual realm on behalf of individuals. At the “strategic” level of spiritual warfare, apostles and prophets have authority to lead massive prayer campaigns against specific “territorial spirits”—commanders in the hierarchy of cosmic “principalities and powers” who are assigned to rule specific geo-political territories or institutions. “Jezebel” thus apparently names a specific, command-level demon holding sway over the U. S. government that was to be cast out by “Jehu,” representing “generals of intercession” leading believers in a targeted campaign of spiritual warfare. The Seven Mountains Mandate, bidding Christians to attain dominance over the major realms of human society, forms the ideological link between warfare in the invisible, cosmic realm and political conflict in the visible, earth-bound realm. Thus, success in the spiritual campaign means that on the ground, in Ahn’s words, Christians are going to “rule and reign through President Trump.”

But why Trump? And how could all of this be conceived of as “under the lordship of Jesus Christ.” In The Violent Take It By Force, Taylor tells the story of how NAR-connected leaders have exerted an outsized influence in bringing about the apparent incongruity of evangelical conservatives giving overwhelming and ardent support to a man whose unrepentant immorality, unapologetic self-aggrandizement, and unceasing lies seem to put him utterly at odds with the moral values they say they want implemented in public life. The narrative centers on former Fuller Seminary professor C. Peter Wagner (1930-2016), the architect of the NAR, and reads like a novel in relating how the lives of a vivid cast of characters intersected with Wagner and each other in the process of forming a movement that has made a vast impact.
Snip...more...
https://spectrummagazine.org/culture/books-film/from-revival-to-riot-a-review-of-matthew-d-taylors-the-violent-take-it-by-force/

eppur_se_muova

(39,816 posts)
90. While this may be informative - & forewarned is forearmed - I don't think I could stand to read an entire book about it.
Sun Aug 17, 2025, 12:27 AM
Aug 17

The article at the link just describes a bunch of different people making up various (supposedly portentous) names for whatever wackadoo "ideas"* pop into their heads, and then trying to persuade others to accept them. Then some other ostensible "spiritual" "leader" (quotes alone are not enough to express my dubiety here) more-or-less accepts them, rearranges them a bit to suit his/her own agenda, renames them, and then starts a new parade with him/herself at the front. And so it goes. It's like an endless conveyor belt for whirly-eyed fundy cults. It turns my stomach in small doses; the emetic properties of a full dose are something I don't want to experience.





*read: weird things they claim the voices in their heads said.

Autumn

(48,291 posts)
50. Unfortunatley the fucking bible thumping nuts are in our government.
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 05:39 PM
Aug 16

I belive it's called the White House's Center for Faith and Opportunity Initiative

brush

(61,018 posts)
58. It's religious propaghanda on DU and IMO it belongs onwinger sites if anybody wants it.
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 06:01 PM
Aug 16

We don't need to be promoting it on DU.

 

Jack Valentino

(3,163 posts)
77. Nobody is 'promoting' it, for Christ's sake.... (so to speak)
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 07:57 PM
Aug 16

only helping to inform us on the details of the enemy's insanity....


Autumn

(48,291 posts)
64. Mike Johnson is the Speaker of the house. He's involved.
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 06:28 PM
Aug 16

Speaker Of the Fucking House. The dumb fuck hosted a meeting of evangelical congress members, where he shared the news that the five red heifers had arrived in Israel. To be sacrificed and usher in the end of times.

If it bothers you hide the thread.

Response to Autumn (Reply #64)

Autumn

(48,291 posts)
67. It's not promoting. It's called discussing a current event. That's what we adults do here.
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 06:39 PM
Aug 16

Contact the admins if it bothers you that much.

Crunchy Frog

(27,788 posts)
52. It's entirely legitimate to report on the activities of people who believe in that stuff, especially when
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 05:53 PM
Aug 16

they occupy very powerful positions.

Posting about the activities of the religiously insane is not the same thing as endorsing or promoting their views.

brush

(61,018 posts)
56. Posting it here just further promotes it. I'm going to alert on it. Don't want to see this crap here. Belongs on...
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 05:57 PM
Aug 16

winger sites.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,526 posts)
16. I defer to anyone with the patience to watch a 16 min clickbait video
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 02:48 PM
Aug 16

but the claim "Johnson has delivered" in the thread title is different from the thread text ("a rich Texan exported ... Johnson ... shared the news that the heifers had arrived " ).

"Breaking Points" appears to be a "left v. right! Watch them fight!" video channel/podcast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_Points

I suspect the OP posted it because it does make Johnson look a bit unhinged, but I can't be bothered watching a video of low-quality origin to see if the evidence holds up or not.

jmbar2

(7,263 posts)
22. My sloppy header - will correct
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 02:59 PM
Aug 16

As long as we're getting technical, there is no "us" v "them" fighting in this video. Just a pretty good summation of various stories on this topic.

muriel_volestrangler

(104,526 posts)
70. The odd thing is that no one ever names the "prophet" who came up with this bollocks
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 07:11 PM
Aug 16

Look up "red heifer" in the Bible (Numbers 19 - and the nutters in the video put this up behind them), and it gives instructions for the Israelites, while they're still in the wilderness, on what to do to sacrifice a red heifer as a purification ritual - and it names the priest concerned - ie it only applied at that time (this is if you believe all of the Bible is true, of course - in reality, there is no archaeological evidence for Exodus etc. ever happening. Hundreds of thousands of people wandering through Sinai would leave signs). That priest - Eleazar, son of Aaron, died long before the first Temple was built in Jerusalem, or the Israelites had even captured Jerusalem (again, that's if you insist on using the Bible as history).

So, some nutter, at some time, decided to pick up a few sentences about the Israelite time in the wilderness, and magic them into "we have been told to do this now", and then "this will bring the Messiah" (for the first time, or the second time, depending on if you're Jewish or Christian). But that's not in anyone's Bible. The least they could do is name the guy (it's bound to be a guy) who first claimed this.

So I'm not very impressed with the video. Because the fact that this doesn't come from the Bible, but from some later, unnamed, religious movement, is pretty important.

8. Religious insanity. They should leave animal sacrifice out of their religion, and just sacrifice themselves.
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 02:32 PM
Aug 16

Last edited Sat Aug 16, 2025, 06:00 PM - Edit history (1)

These kooks have nothing positive to offer humanity.

jeffreyi

(2,422 posts)
35. Yep. Leave the animals and the kids and the non consenting out of it.
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 03:57 PM
Aug 16

Cult away among your own kind.

Blue Full Moon

(2,744 posts)
9. There is a group of rich old men that think
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 02:35 PM
Aug 16

They can cause the apocalypse and bring Jesus back.

Ping Tung

(3,505 posts)
10. Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man. Thomas Paine
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 02:39 PM
Aug 16

I'm wary of any deity (or person) who requires animal scarifies to keep him jolly.

PufPuf23

(9,554 posts)
14. Mike Johnson and pals are batshit insane and evil.
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 02:44 PM
Aug 16

Biblical prophecy has zero business in national policy.

This crap is used to manipulate emotions for political outcomes.

The prophecy justifies the haters and fosters the violence in the Middle East.

Girard442

(6,751 posts)
19. Word has it that one of the heifers was seen in the company of Matt Gaetz, sooooo....
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 02:54 PM
Aug 16

The End Times may be a bit delayed.

BoRaGard

(7,295 posts)
29. So the red republicon heifers are on the Epstein list, too?
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 03:22 PM
Aug 16

can't say I'm surprised, the notorious pedo-protection republicon "morals" being what they are.

Beastly sort of thing, and all that.

jls4561

(2,669 posts)
23. A lot of these so-called Christians are going to be very surprised by where they'll spend the afterlife.
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 03:06 PM
Aug 16

Satan, if you’re listening…release the Epstein files!

You know Donnie spared them as bedtime reading.

Clouds Passing

(5,660 posts)
25. This bunch of freaks have been working at bringing around the apocalypse on purpose for a long time.
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 03:13 PM
Aug 16

tanyev

(47,681 posts)
26. Who in Israel is cooperating with this?
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 03:16 PM
Aug 16

They know that Jews don’t do very well in the evangelical fantasy of the End Times, right?

LetMyPeopleVote

(169,179 posts)
65. Jews know that the backbone of Israel's support in the U.S. is the evangelical Christians and not American Jews
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 06:35 PM
Aug 16

tanyev

(47,681 posts)
72. Yep, it's one of those things where both parties think they are manipulating
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 07:20 PM
Aug 16

the other partner in order to accomplish their own goals. The thing is, there’s enough firepower in the world today for it to have a truly apocalyptic outcome. Not the fantasy apocalypse they imagine will make them rulers of the world, but something very, very bad where everybody loses.

And honestly, if the God they believe in actually is omniscient and omnipotent, isn’t he in control? Deliberately trying to make a prophecy happen shows a distinct lack of faith in God’s plan and God’s timing.

markodochartaigh

(3,791 posts)
81. Spot on.
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 08:32 PM
Aug 16

"it's one of those things where both parties think they are manipulating the other..."

And from Wikipedia here's another: "Rather, the conservatives that helped to make him chancellor were convinced that they could control Hitler and "tame" the Nazi Party while setting the relevant impulses in the government themselves..."

Mossfern

(4,296 posts)
75. Look up
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 07:53 PM
Aug 16

Temple Mount Faithful
Both groups have similar goals and are assisting each other.

In recent years, Salomon increasingly shifted the focus of the Temple Mount Faithful in the apocalyptic and messianic direction, and restoration of the Jewish Temple became one of the central objectives of the movement.[5][11] During the same period, the movement developed close ties with Christian fundamentalist circles,[11] and it receives significant financial assistance from some Christian groups, particularly in the United States.[12][13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Mount_Faithful

Eliot Rosewater

(33,833 posts)
27. This country is so completely and entirely fucked
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 03:17 PM
Aug 16


You don’t want me to say anybody do you, you don’t want me to say it yes all because of the way a certain group acted in 2016

czarjak

(13,151 posts)
28. Dominionism
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 03:21 PM
Aug 16

Hastening The Second Coming. Definitely a dangerous belief system. But, here we are.

struggle4progress

(124,304 posts)
31. Woe unto you who seek the day of the Lord: how would it concern you? The day of the Lord will be
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 03:24 PM
Aug 16

darkness, not light, like a man fleeing from a lion and meeting a bear --- or leaning his hand on a wall and being bitten by a snake. The day of the Lord will be darkness with no light in it. I hate and abhor your feast days and your solemn assemblies. If you offer me burnt offerings, I will not accept them, nor will I regard your peace offerings of fat beasts. Away with your many songs: I will not hear the melodies. But let justice cascade like waters and righteousness like a mighty river

Amos 5

Wifes husband

(508 posts)
36. These people are going to be surprised.
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 04:11 PM
Aug 16

They have to go through a serious farfetched analysis to come up with this rapture thing. I know this will cause a disturbance in the force, and I won't respond, but there is no biblical substance to this whole rapture thing. This is just ignorance

Discuss at your leisure

jmbar2

(7,263 posts)
59. Thanks for posting - interesting.
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 06:03 PM
Aug 16

I took a course in religious revivalism many years ago, having grown up in a purely secular household and wanting to understand how the other half thinks. I had forgotten about this guy until now.

Wifes husband

(508 posts)
68. Yeah, I know.
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 06:43 PM
Aug 16

I am certainly not biblical scholar, but I have known several who've told me that there is just no significant biblical support for this stuff.
At least that's what my grandma told me!

Diraven

(1,536 posts)
42. To be fair
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 04:40 PM
Aug 16

Unless Israel seizes the whole Temple Mount from the Muslims and expells them, and then tears down the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock to build a massive new Temple with an altar to sacrifice the heifers on, this wild plan totally is jumping the gun. Unfortunately we have leaders now who are pushing Israel to do exactly this. Any resulting chaos and war would be a welcome bonus hailed as the start of Armageddon.

Mblaze

(702 posts)
43. The minds of MAGA "Christians"
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 04:41 PM
Aug 16

Have already experienced an apocalypse. Five red heifers and four horses make a great apocalyptic team.

LetMyPeopleVote

(169,179 posts)
62. It's all about the Apocalypse: Another disturbing reason behind the right wing's pro-Israel obsession
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 06:24 PM
Aug 16

This story could be true. As a Jew, it is common knowledge the support from the Amercian religious right is due in some part due to a belief that the existence of Israel is essential for their belief in a second coming.



https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/apocalypse-another-disturbing-reason-behind-right-wings-pro-israel-obsession
Politics professor Elizabeth Oldmixon explained in an interview with Vox the strange thread of Christianity that fosters an apocalyptic vision the inspires much of the right-wing support for Israel.

“These are the folks who believe that there will be a millennium in the future, a golden age, where Christ reigns on Earth, [and] they believe that before Christ will return, there will be a tribulation where Christ defeats evil,” she said. “There will be natural disasters and wars, and perhaps an Antichrist, as the book of Revelations notes. Then at the end of that period, the people of the Mosaic covenant, including the Jews, will convert. Then after their conversion, the great millennium starts.”

She continued: “You have this group of people looking around for signs of the end time, and in the 20th century when Israel was founded, this was seen as a major sign. This was electrifying for that community because the gathering of all the Jews in exile to the Holy Land is a prerequisite for all of these events unfolding. So for the subset of evangelicals in the 20th century, support for Israel became a really, really important political position.”

And as evangelical Christianity grew into a central part of the GOP’s coalition, pro-Israel policies became cemented in the party’s ideology.

The alliance between the evangelicals and pro-Israeli Jews, though, is a peculiar partnership. The Christians enter into the bargain with the assumption that, when they reach their goal of the apocalypse, any Jews will either become Christians or go to hell. But their pro-Israel allies don’t seem to mind this much, perhaps because they don’t believe this version of the apocalypse will ever actually come to be — and as long as it is just a fantasy, their interests and those of evangelicals remain aligned.

For example, the US embassy in Israel by trump to appease these nut cases. This story may be crazy but the nut cases who want an apocopypse worry me
 

Jack Valentino

(3,163 posts)
73. TRUMP is roughly equal to five red heifers.... or
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 07:24 PM
Aug 16

five orange heifers.....


do they have to burn him to bring on the apocalypse ?


flvegan

(65,238 posts)
74. Wouldn't actively ushering in "the apocalypse" or end times
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 07:44 PM
Aug 16

be considered suicide? Isn't that like, a sin in Christian eyes?

Hekate

(99,273 posts)
80. TY to those like LMSP who took the time to give a detailed reply to the disturbed. It is important to know...
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 08:26 PM
Aug 16

…who these nutballs are and what their plans for America are. I was raised to “respect other people’s religions” — but in the last 25 years I’ve made a mature decision that some are not in that category, and here’s why.

Very short version: they are dangerous now, and in the halls of power now, and we have to recognize and understand them. Skip the rest if you don’t want to know the history.

When I was a child, certain Christian sects (and in the 1950s this was a largely Christian country; also largely white, but that is a different tale) were on the fringe — the far fringe — but as long as they stayed away from the rest of us sinners, it was live and let live. Sure, I knew some adults who made snide remarks about Holy Rollers and Snake Handlers, but no one was trying to hunt them down, for pete’s sake. It was like being an anti-vaxxer — nearly everybody else knew that polio, whooping cough, and all the other killers were not “God’s will” but the products of microbes and viruses, so the vast majority of parents made sure to hold their babies tight while the doc gave them a jab.

Here’s the difference today: those religious fringe groups are now in the centers of power. Speaker of the House Johnson is absolutely one of them. People like Trump don’t believe in anything holy, but they certainly find the religious fanatics (or as some here have always called them, the religiously insane) useful in their quest for ultimate worldly power, and vice versa. Same with Musk.

Hegseth, for instance has found a “god” who affirms his lust for dominance. I do think he is sincere, in his drug and alcohol soaked mind, but he is also extremely dangerous. He is purging women, LGBTQ+ , and I suspect anybody Black or brown from the military hierarchy. He believes women and trans people have no business being in the US military. He, like Trump, has a caveman image of a “war fighter” — a male all bulked up and ready to kill with his bare hands. The fact that wars are now fought with brains and electronics escapes him. He also believes women have no business being able to vote. He is a White Christian Nationalist.

The federal government and military are now run by (pay attention) White Christian Nationalists and those who find them useful. Just for fun, explore Christian Dominionism (Hegseth, Johnson, et al) and its ties to home schooling, politics, the End Times, and all that. Because of the many conversations around Dominionism in the early years of DU, I took a dive into research from reliable liberal sources, and went down a rabbit hole to where I felt I was staring into the Abyss, the Heart of Darkness. I remember it pretty vividly, but I’ve never been able to return because it made me sick. You all, however, should take a look.

Our Supreme Court, after decades of GOP maneuvering, has a majority of Roman Catholics. I have no problem with Roman Catholics per se, since all 4 of my grandparents were, but several if not most of the conservatives on our High Court are Opus Dei, and that is a cult. Opus Dei, if I recall correctly, skirts the Pope. Not everything called “Catholic” is kosher (oops, wrong culture, LOL) . As far as anyone can tell Roberts, Alito, Scalia, and Thomas for sure…

We need to talk about them sometimes so we can see them coming — and they are here now.

jmbar2

(7,263 posts)
84. Thank you for a thoughtful discussion
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 08:43 PM
Aug 16

I first started encountering Dominionism in 2012 when I lived in Texas and they took over a small college department where I worked. Everyone who didn't fit their worldview was picked off and fired for ridiculous reasons, one after the other, and replaced with "chosen" ones. It was at the time when Rick Perry was thought to be the annointed one to usher in their takeover of the US. When that didn't work out, they thought it would be Ted Cruz. I found it inconceivable that they would coalesce around someone like Trump, but here we are.

I did a deep dive on their goals, teachings and connections and have followed the cult ever since. I never dreamed that the Dominionist//Christian nationalist/and other related cults would become so successful. I will continue to follow their nefarious activities and post when I run across interesting stuff. But I will never underestimate them.

We need to know who we are up against as we fight to preserve democracy and the freedoms that we used to be able to take for granted.

hildegaard28

(769 posts)
83. While I am
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 08:36 PM
Aug 16

Opposed to human sacrifice in general, if it gets rid of Mike Johnson I am all for it.

markodochartaigh

(3,791 posts)
85. Public Service Announcement:
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 08:51 PM
Aug 16

For those who can't believe that this apocalyptic cult is real, or who can't handle the reality that this cult has so much power, with leaders in government and business: Please, for your own peace of mind, stay away from Jeff Sharlet's books, especially "The Family". Continue to watch sitcoms and "reality" tv. When it is your turn to board the trucks for the camps, rest assured you will be picked up.

B.See

(6,340 posts)
88. I figure someone would have to be
Sat Aug 16, 2025, 11:51 PM
Aug 16

one sick, deluded PUPPY to 1) not only look forward to the end of times but try to bring it about, and 2) believe it's going to go well for YOU if such a thing occurred.

Here's a suggestion, morons: do us a favour and end YOUR fkn time,

Leave the rest of us alone.

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