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riversedge

(77,402 posts)
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 06:33 AM Tuesday

Trump fired Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook. She says she'll continue to carry out duties.

Trump will probably bar her from entering the building today.???



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Trump fired Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook. She says she'll continue to carry out duties. (Original Post) riversedge Tuesday OP
Emile Tuesday #1
I could be wrong............. Lovie777 Tuesday #2
It will be litigated if she chooses to fight back newdeal2 Tuesday #7
"SCOTUS wil do what it does best." InstantGratification Tuesday #14
She rented one of her houses on AirBnB which wasn't allowed with her mortgage Arazi Tuesday #17
Is she being charged with a crime? newdeal2 Tuesday #18
Not yet. There's only been a "criminal referral" to the DOJ, same as Schiff and James Arazi Tuesday #19
He can fire her "for cause" but a mere allegation isn't usually sufficient Arazi Tuesday #9
'the serpentine six' speak easy Tuesday #15
Bravo for Fed Reserve Governor Cook hot2na Tuesday #3
The black woman--Hmmmmm........ lastlib Tuesday #4
ANOTHER black woman. Gosh. It's starting to look like a pattern. Scrivener7 Tuesday #6
'member when they used trains to haul people to concentration camps? Now it is planes. Progress. twodogsbarking Tuesday #5
Strong economists will say "Sir, we can't see numbers anymore but the runaway inflation is very beautiful" dalton99a Tuesday #8
I'm guessing Mr. trump will chicken out by end of weekend Torchlight Tuesday #10
Well, I'm firing the President then. You're fired! surfered Tuesday #11
80% of markodochartaigh Tuesday #12
The Fed does more than lower or raise interest rates, gab13by13 Tuesday #13
MaddowBlog-Why Trump's offensive against the Fed's Lisa Cook is a 'five-alarm fire' LetMyPeopleVote Tuesday #16
Furious Trump's Firing of Fed's Lisa Cook May Be About to Backfire LetMyPeopleVote Tuesday #20
Deadline: Legal Blog--Trump's attempt to fire a Federal Reserve governor tests a weird Supreme Court move LetMyPeopleVote Tuesday #21

newdeal2

(3,741 posts)
7. It will be litigated if she chooses to fight back
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 08:05 AM
Tuesday

And then SCOTUS will do what it does best.

14. "SCOTUS wil do what it does best."
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 09:02 AM
Tuesday

Yep. When predicting what this court will do, it helps to understand their background. 5 of the 6 conservatives on the court also served in the executive branch earlier in their careers. Barrett being the exception. Roberts, for example, was a white house counsel. They spent much of their professional lives working to get around the limits on executive power and undermine the checks and balances of the other branches. They fall back into that mode when a case gives them the chance to expand presidential authority.

Arazi

(8,301 posts)
17. She rented one of her houses on AirBnB which wasn't allowed with her mortgage
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 09:31 AM
Tuesday

She’s probably guilty of doing that.

Guessing that clause #30 on page 53 of a 78 page mortgage document escaped her notice but be that as it may, she is probably going to get dinged for it.

Is it career ending? No. Shouldn’t be. Will it be? Who knows.

The bigger question is how they discovered this violation (and Schiff’s, Letitia James’ etc who are similarly accused)? That discovery may show malicious prosecution aimed solely at Dems and THAT is what should be emphasized here.

Traitor explicitly said he was going to exact revenge during his campaign and using the wheels of govt wielded against political enemies was expected, but now that the reality is here Dems should hammer the point that this can be used by future Dem administrations. If that can shave off another point or two from his cult …

newdeal2

(3,741 posts)
18. Is she being charged with a crime?
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 09:53 AM
Tuesday

I don’t see how any of this is cause for dismissal because it has nothing to do with her job performance. Hopefully courts will see that too.

Arazi

(8,301 posts)
19. Not yet. There's only been a "criminal referral" to the DOJ, same as Schiff and James
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 10:31 AM
Tuesday

Of course Pam Bondi will charge it if she doesn’t resign. It’s just a smear campaign they’re hoping will force her out.

I doubt she’ll be pressured, hopefully she’s a fighter and refuses to cave. Even if she’s charged, the “crime” isn’t enough to warrant more than a civil fine (if that).

This SCOTUS may see it differently however. They WANT an imperial presidency and are doing everything they can to implement that for Traitor. They may endorse this move as a legit “for cause” reason for Traitor to remove her. It’s crazy we can’t foresee what they’ll do - it should be an instant slap down. Now? Who knows.

Arazi

(8,301 posts)
9. He can fire her "for cause" but a mere allegation isn't usually sufficient
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 08:38 AM
Tuesday

He’s saying the allegation of mortgage fraud is enough.

It will be litigated and the only opinions who matter on whether this is enough of a reason to fire her is the corrupt six on SCOTUS (cause this will go all the way).

They’ve said explicitly that the Fed is untouchable but they’ve also leaned into granting Traitor an imperial presidency.

lastlib

(26,552 posts)
4. The black woman--Hmmmmm........
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 07:49 AM
Tuesday

Racist misogynist, perhaps?
( --of course. Rhetorical question....... )


ABSOLUTELY I will be on the side of Lisa Cook! Fuck the dirty fuck that's trying to fire her!

twodogsbarking

(15,298 posts)
5. 'member when they used trains to haul people to concentration camps? Now it is planes. Progress.
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 07:55 AM
Tuesday
maybe.

dalton99a

(89,914 posts)
8. Strong economists will say "Sir, we can't see numbers anymore but the runaway inflation is very beautiful"
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 08:27 AM
Tuesday

Torchlight

(5,496 posts)
10. I'm guessing Mr. trump will chicken out by end of weekend
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 08:46 AM
Tuesday

God forbid I call it 'chickening out' though (apologies to the sealions everywhere), we'll just refer to it as another 'decision rescinded after appropriate analysis.'

markodochartaigh

(3,739 posts)
12. 80% of
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 09:00 AM
Tuesday

Republicans support Trump no matter what he does, but 20% don't, they just support Trump because he is necessary to keep the support of the 80%, the maga Republicans.
Trump messing with the federal reserve is one of those areas which exploits a division between the maga 80% and the corporate 20%.
The Democratic leadership should take this opportunity to amplify this division and exploit the fracture in the Republican party.

LetMyPeopleVote

(168,820 posts)
16. MaddowBlog-Why Trump's offensive against the Fed's Lisa Cook is a 'five-alarm fire'
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 09:29 AM
Tuesday

At issue is an attempted White House power grab that ignores the rule of law and puts global economic stability at risk.

Why should people care about Trump’s offensive against the Fed’s Lisa Cook?

At issue is an attempted White House power grab, launched by an authoritarian president, that ignores the rule of law and puts global economic stability at risk. www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...

Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-08-26T12:52:39.622Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-offensive-feds-lisa-cook-five-alarm-fire-rcna227188

Evidently, he was serious — at least about his intentions. NBC News reported:

President Donald Trump is removing Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook effective immediately, according to a letter he posted to Truth Social on Monday night. In the letter, Trump writes: ‘Pursuant to my authority under Article II of the Constitution of the United States and the Federal Reserve Act of 1913, as amended, you are hereby removed from your position on the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve, effective immediately.’


This is a story with a lot of moving parts, so let’s unpack the relevant details and review what we know.

Who’s Lisa Cook?

Joe Biden appointed Cook, an accomplished economist, to the Federal Reserve’s board of governors three years ago, and at that point, she became the first Black woman to serve on the Fed board. Her tenure has been uncontroversial, at least until last week.

.......Are the allegations credible?

There’s reason for skepticism. Pulte is both a critic of the Fed and a White House loyalist — The Washington Post, for example, recently described the FHFA chief as “a prominent Trump sidekick” — who’s conveniently started going after a variety of Trump targets with dubious claims of mortgage fraud.

......Has the U.S. Supreme Court weighed in on the subject?

As a matter of fact, it was just three months ago when Republican-appointed justices granted the president considerable power to oust officials serving in independent agencies, but simultaneously, the high court explicitly said that the Federal Reserve is a “uniquely structured, quasi-private entity.” That distinction appears to limit Trump’s powers over the Fed.

Why would Trump be so eager to target the Fed in the first place?

Because the White House wants to seize control over U.S. monetary policy, especially as it relates to interest rates. Trump has already launched an unprecedented campaign against Fed Chairman Jerome Powell, and if the president is able to force out Cook and replace her with someone who’ll do the White House’s bidding, it would gut the institution’s independence and shift power in the Oval Office’s direction.

Why would that be dangerous?

Because, as Paul Krugman explained, the Fed is responsible for everything from interest rates to bank supervision to avoiding systemic financial crises. If Trump successfully corrupts the institution and its work, Krugman said, “We become Venezuela. We become Turkey. We become a place where all of this stuff is just at the whims of the strongman in charge. ... No president should have the power to just arbitrarily control what the Fed does, and least of all this president. So, this is the road to things going completely wild — not five years down the pike, but months from now.”

He added, “This is a five-alarm fire.”

LetMyPeopleVote

(168,820 posts)
20. Furious Trump's Firing of Fed's Lisa Cook May Be About to Backfire
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 04:01 PM
Tuesday

The fired Fed governor has filed suit against Trump—and the discovery process may allow her celebrated lawyer to find out if the White House ordered a Trump loyalist to move against her.

With Lisa Cook suing to challenge Trump's firing of her, experts in mortgage law tell me her lawyer can now use discovery to dig into the role Trump loyalist William Pulte played in singling out mortgages of her, Schiff and Letitia James for scrutiny:

newrepublic.com/article/1996...

Greg Sargent (@gregsargent.bsky.social) 2025-08-26T17:28:38.714Z



https://newrepublic.com/article/199612/furious-trump-firing-fed-lisa-cook-may-backfire

Case in point: Trump’s appalling new effort to fire Lisa Cook from the Federal Reserve’s board of governors. On Monday night his anger at Cook peaked as he announced that he’s removing Cook—who has infuriated him for months by helping to keep interest rates higher than he wants—essentially declaring Fed independence a dead letter.

Yet this maneuver may yet backfire on Trump—in part because the accomplices helping carry it out have grown almost absurdly brazen in doing so.

The move appears to be illegal, though Trump may still get away with it. The law allows a president to remove a Fed board member “for cause,” which has generally meant something like a real reason grounded in actual misconduct, not a fake reason that the president pulled out of his rear end.

But Trump’s letter firing Cook claims he can do this for cause “at my discretion,” meaning he gets to declare something “cause” by simply saying so, as The New York Times’s Charlie Savage notes. The courts will decide whether the executive power includes this nearly limitless authority, and while Supreme Court precedent here is complex, a win for Trump is not at all assured.

Enter Trump’s accomplices. The “cause” he cited is the charge that Cook committed mortgage fraud, a claim manufactured for him by William Pulte, a staunch Trump loyalist who heads the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which oversees mortgage markets. Pulte tweeted “findings” that Cook has fraudulently declared several principal or primary residences for mortgage purposes.......

Pulte is apparently manipulating agency processes for the express purpose of creating a pretext for referring matters involving Trump’s designated enemies to DOJ. As Georgetown law professor Adam Levitin points out, it’s probable that the only way the mortgages of three leading Trump foes could all face scrutiny is if Pulte personally ordered it. That’s an “abuse of office,” Levitin writes, and a “far greater offense” than anything Cook, Schiff, or James might have done.......

Democrats should be making it absolutely clear, right now, that anyone who carries out corrupt or illegal orders for Trump cannot count on bureaucratic obscurity to shield them from political or legal accountability later. Yes, Trump might preemptively pardon top officials who are legally vulnerable. But Democrats should pointedly pose the question: Do you really think it’s wise to count on Donald Trump to secure you from jeopardy later?

LetMyPeopleVote

(168,820 posts)
21. Deadline: Legal Blog--Trump's attempt to fire a Federal Reserve governor tests a weird Supreme Court move
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 07:28 PM
Tuesday

The high court majority recently went out of its way to signal its intention to protect the Federal Reserve board’s independence.

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/lisa-cook-fired-federal-reserve-supreme-court-humphreys-rcna227270

Back in May, when a divided Supreme Court gave President Donald Trump the power to fire members of certain labor boards without cause, the Republican-appointed majority went out of its way to signal its intention to protect the Federal Reserve board, even though the Fed itself wasn’t at issue in that case.

Now, Trump’s attempt to fire Federal Reserve governor Lisa Cook could test the high court’s strange signal.

In that May shadow docket case, Trump v. Wilcox, which involved members of the National Labor Relations Board and Merit Systems Protection Board, the majority addressed those board members’ argument that the logic behind stripping their protections would also imperil the Federal Reserve’s independence.

“We disagree,” the majority wrote, citing a previous precedent in noting that the Fed “is a uniquely structured, quasi-private entity that follows in the distinct historical tradition of the First and Second Banks of the United States.”

Dissenting in the Wilcox case, Justice Elena Kagan wrote for the Democratic appointees that she appreciated the majority’s “intention to avoid imperiling the Fed” but that its decision still posed “a puzzle.” That’s because the Federal Reserve’s independence rests on the same foundation as agencies such as the NLRB and the MSPB — which, Kagan pointed out, means it rests on a nearly century-old precedent, Humphrey’s Executor. The Trump administration wants to overturn that 1935 decision, and the majority’s recent rulings on presidential power suggest that it’s on board with that effort.

“If the idea is to reassure the markets, a simpler — and more judicial — approach would have been to” rule against Trump “on the continued authority of Humphrey’s,” Kagan wrote in Wilcox......

While it will depend on how exactly Cook presses her legal claim and how the administration defends itself, the case’s resolution could turn on the narrower issue of the sufficiency of cause for removal, as opposed to the justices resolving the outer limits of presidential authority when it comes to the Federal Reserve. Given Kagan’s critique of the logic behind the majority’s Fed carveout in Wilcox (not that the majority has to care about that), the majority might appreciate such narrower grounds as a way of solving the “puzzle,” as Kagan put it, that the court created for itself.

We may see trump's attorney citing Justice Kagan's dissent in this litigation. I think that Justice Kagan has the better argument, but the majority may be committed to defend their prior bad shadow docket ruling which will hurt trump's argument.
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