The shooter used three guns and shot through church windows and killed children.. but first

[Peacetrain]

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the shooter apparently blocked the doors so no one could get out. And then decided to turn the gun on themself.

Good grief, what did those little children ever do to the shooter.

The shooter knew it was a morning mass during the school year.. Apparently the mother of the shooter retired from working at that church and school.

When will this end? When can little kids go to school and services without worrying about being killed?

I am just sick at heart.

[Johonny]

1. Trump America dead kids

He can only solve imaginary problems

[leftstreet]

2. But no one in this sick fuck's life noticed a thing?

[maxsolomon]

5. I'm sure people knew he was struggling.

But that's not the same as getting his guns away from him. If someone even knew he had them.

[JI7]

7. Maybe that's why he was given the guns

[NickB79]

13. Was he given guns? He was 23, after all

He could have purchased all of them himself.

[Greg_In_SF]

14. Police Chief

says he purchased the gun legally.

[live love laugh]

53. Well ... THAT makes all the difference.

[marshall]

21. I thought Westman was a woman

Or at least used she/her pronouns. No doubt had undergone a lot of traumas from the religious right.

[democratsruletheday]

57. Sure they (probably) did...

but more than likely they weren't qualified to do anything about it. Not making excuses, just saying. Our mental health system is beyond broken, so what most people do is just ghost someone like that. "Not my problem" is the prevailing thought I'd guess.

[dlk]

3. This will only end when Americans stop electing Republicans

Until then, the slaughter will continue, daily.

[Norrrm]

4. School children get thoughts and prayers... Guns get protective legislation.

School children get thoughts and prayers.
Guns get protective legislation.

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[Turbineguy]

10. The man responsible for more American deaths than Hitler.

[SCantiGOP]

28. All you need to know

Is that the Repubs care more about the 2nd Amendment (and how it helps their re-election campaigns) than they do 2nd Graders.

[bucolic_frolic]

6. Harden up emotions to make the public numb.

Republicans aren't even shocked anymore.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

8. His mother worked there b4 her retirement..maybe he had a beef with the school

[OrwellwasRight]

9. If the "Kill Trump" stuff on the weapons is true.

Why did they shoot innocent children? How does that even harm Trump?

[malaise]

11. I don't believe it n/t

[Greg_In_SF]

17. It's in his own video

that he posted on Youtube.

[BigmanPigman]

31. I just watched that.

Who were all the other names he painted on the guns? I'm not familiar with any of them. And what are the symbols he used?

[obamanut2012]

43. They were racist and fascist names and memes

[BigmanPigman]

50. OK, thanks!

[Torchlight]

23. If the "6 million was not enough" stuff in his notebook is true

Why did they shoot innocent children? How does that even harm those of the Jewish faith?

[ForgedCrank]

12. "Good grief, what did those little children ever do to the shooter."

Nothing.
But there is a certain type of person who goes around spreading hatred toward Christians. It's even all over this site, daily. It never stops, and it's allowed to stand unchallenged. That is how predominant this garbage is.
As the years pass, the hostility toward Christians only increases. So shouldn't we ask ourselves what role that may have played in the final outcome here?
And this isn't just about Christian-bashing, even though that is a particularly personal one to me. This is about ALL hatred that is spread like a noxious and cancerous disease in todays online and media ecosystems. This shooter could have just as easily been a MAGA person who has been taught that all Democrats are the cause of his perceived injustices.
The point is that all hate is equally childish, and in many cases, downright evil. And maybe we should all be looking inward and addressing our own role in modern societies state of decline. I'm guilty of it myself sometimes and that fact isn't lost on me, but I do try my best to not contribute to hatred.

[travelingthrulife]

22. His diary says he enjoyed child mass murders. His favorite was Sandy Hook he says.

[ForgedCrank]

24. Mentally ill

is mentally ill, there are no affiliation boundaries.
In my opinion, these people choose children as targets for the sole purpose of leveraging maximum outrage. Their goals appear to generally be self-serving and a way to get attention. and it works every damned time.

Standing back and looking in, I saw a mentally ill person act on the hatred that he was acclimated to, and in the wake of such evil, the rest of society rose up and reached for the throat of their neighbor in an attempt to extract vengeance. I may be an emotional human like everyone else, but I try to not allow those emotions to steer my actions. So when I see this movie playing out, it almost makes my head "blue-screen". The reaction of most people is to verbally attack other uninvolved people who have ideological differences.
It's like a swirling mass of never-ending and pointless hatred, and it appears to me that people enjoy it. It makes my stomach churn.

[TheDemsshouldhireme]

64. Wouldn't their proper pronouns

Be she?

Per NewsweeK; court records reviewed by Newsweek show Westman was granted a name change from Robert to Robin in 2020. A judge approved the petition signed by Westman's mother that said the "minor child identifies as a female and wants her name to reflect that.

I see a lot of people referring to the shooter as "he".

Just asking a question.

[niyad]

45. "christian- bashing"?? Seriously? Remind me which "religious" ideology

is now running this supposedly secular nation, denying women health care because of their "religious beliefs", for one example. Which religionist group now openly worships their golden idol? Or did you forget the sarcasm thingy?

[ForgedCrank]

46. No reminder

is necessary, a prime example is all right here in your own reply.
Who would have thought that me begging others to stop hating each other would get me attacked.
Well actually I knew it would happen, its actually quite predictable. Certain types feed on it.
My church helped to relocated 17 refugee families so far in 3 years, and funded their moves. What did yours do?
I ran errands for 2 blind people already this week and shuttled one to a medical appointment,. What did you do?
Maybe I should just stop doing all of this because it's all just a big flying spaghetti monster lie, right? Of course I won't. I live by my faith, not the angry spittle tossed in my direction.
I do this work in the name of God.
Others can hate me all they want; The Bible predicts this and warns us about it. The world is full of hateful and lost people. All I can do is pray for them. You will be no exception.

[niyad]

47. I attacked you? Wow!!! Do keep trying. And keep pretending about what

is being done in the name of the christian religion right now in this country, regardless of whatever some individuals and churches are doing. And don't dare lay off your actions or future actions on me.

[Cirsium]

65. You aren't a victim

This is absolutely ridiculous. No one here would criticize you for running errands for 2 blind people, relocating 17 refugee families. No one "hates" you.

"And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward." - Matthew 6:6

[ForgedCrank]

69. Maybe read

the premise of my posts on this subject. I really don't care what you or anyone else thinks of me personally. It's about people who preach and spread hatred towards others. In this case, it was Christians again, and now kids are dead because of it. Some can't help but to turn it into spreading bile about Christianity. See the headlines for an example. You left out all of the context in order execute you attempt at shaming me. It's ok, I've learned to expect it from certain types. We have all been warned about those kind of people in this world.
Leaked photos show a mentally ill shooter wrote "Where is your God now" on the hardware. That's basically the same thing that the Mayor said yesterday, and then most of the social media world. Where do you suppose the shooter got such thoughts and learned that? I suppose you can just stay in denial, blame people like me and the guns, then when nothing changes you can scream even louder and mock me further as if I'm trying to be a victim. See, no one shot at me or my kids. I actually care about results, less violence, and less hate. I offer something that we can all do, right now without any money or legislative involvement. But that is rejected because it would be too hard for too many to stop spreading and feeding on hate.
So do carry on.

[Cirsium]

72. Outrageous

You are blaming those who disagree with you about religion for this tragedy. That is unconscionable. Would you really have us believe that the gun violence in the US is caused by anti-Christian bigotry?

Christians are not a persecuted or oppressed group in the US. It is quite the opposite. People are free to criticize what you say and do, but you can't handle that apparently.

You say that you really don't care what I or anyone else thinks of you personally. You claim the high moral ground of defending all Christians from some sort of persecution and hatred. Yet you complain that you are being mocked and shamed. To the extent that you are being mocked and shamed - certainly not my intention and I deny that I am doing that - you might be mocked and shamed for what you are saying, not because you are a self-proclaimed Christian.

You have learned to expect it from certain types? "Certain types?" We have all been warned about those kind of people in this world? "Those kind people?" What sort of Christianity is this?

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Matthew 7:3-5

[ForgedCrank]

73. Don't put

words in my mouth. It's intellectually dishonest and certainly not part of a winning strategy for debate.
Try paying attention to the actual words I say rather than your interpretation of them. I choose my words appropriately and expect English speakers to take them as they are. when I say I like the letter "X", that does not mean I hate all the other letters, so trying to make these connections is just silly. Try operating in good faith for a moment, or would it kill you to admit there is merit on my opinion? Maybe you just despise Christians SO much that you think they are too dumb to have a valid position on any subject? See how erroneous interpretation can lead us down the wrong roads?

Again, read my prior comments on the subject matter. Hate is the foundation for many of the societal issues right now, and it most certainly played a role in what drove this deranged shooter. You can deny it til the cows come home for all I care, but that won't change what is reflected in the real world.

[Cirsium]

76. False accusations

I didn't mischaracterize what you said. I don't "despise Christians." Nothing I said would suggest that. I don't think Christians are "too dumb to have a valid position on any subject" and nothing I said would suggest that either.

[ForgedCrank]

83. Well, now

if you stand back and read wha tI said and then your reply to it, maybe you might understand what my actual point was, and that is making asinine assumptions about others isn't productive at all. It's just a method of denigration.
But it appears you may have still missed the point of referenced snark entirely. Shocker.

[karynnj]

80. Before you asked people not to hate, you refered

to hate towards Christians here. Now you are shocked that someone responded less than favorably.

I get that you were trying to make the point that both sides have a problem with ideologically based hate of others, followed by being against it. This is a prime example of both siderism that is actually not true.

True, you can find posts criticizing religious leaders, but look at the criticism it is almost always for a specific thing they just did or said. In addition, I have never seen anything that attacks all people of a given faith.

The fact is that there is likely a majority or at least a plurality of people here identifying as Christian, including all denominations.

[gopiscrap]

71. exactly

[Crunchy Frog]

55. I don't like the Christian bashing on here either despite being pretty much atheist myself, but

in our society overall, there is far more hatred directed by people calling themselves Christians towards non-Christians and non religious people overall.

I'm only just catching up on the news since I've been busy with other things today, but if this guy was outspokenly anti-Christian, in our current political environment, I expect this event will be used as a cudgel against the non-religious and against "liberals" who get accused by the religious right of all being atheist. I expect this will be exploited politically in some really ugly ways.

[BlueKota]

81. Generalization is the problem

It's like saying all Americans are like Trump. Not all non Christians hate Christians. Not all Christians hate non Christians. Yes there are people using "Christianity" as an excuse for their bad behavior, but it's not all Christians. Yes there are probably non-Christians who do bad things too, but not all.

The only people I personally have issues with are the ones who knowingly and deliberately harm others through cruelty and violence.

Yes I will be honest I do hate those mean people, but I don't ever plan on acting on that hatred. The only exceptions for harming someone else is self defense or saving another from death, but only if you or someone else are in imminent mortal danger.

[mommymarine2003]

15. My 5-year-old granddaughter started kindergarten today. Even though we live in Oregon,

no one and nowhere is safe from these horrible guns, so it is so frightening to send her off to school. One of my grandsons lives with us. He is starting his junior year next week. I just dropped him off at school a little bit ago to practice soccer. Last year his high school had so many lockdowns, I lost track. Last spring some of the soccer players received threats via Instagram or some social network. My grandson showed us the comments, and we contacted the police. He forwarded on the threat to the policeman. They worked on it through the night along with the FBI, and the student was arrested the next day. I am thankful that my grandson feels that it is okay to tell an adult about these threats and not assume that it is just a hoax. I know that his high school is doing all they can to keep the students safe, but it will never be safe with all those weapons out there.

[Wicked Blue]

60. Two of my granddaughters are nearly same ages as the little girls who were killed

Almost 8 and almost 10. They go to a church-run school (though not Catholic). The youngest girl started kindergarten there two days ago. When I heard about the shootings yesterday I thought of them and hoped their school would be a safe place for them.

I am heartsick over the shootings in Minneapolis. And it sickens me that apparently no child in America is safe from these armed monsters.

[ultralite001]

16. So let's fly America's flags at half-mast...

rather than remove automatic + semi-automatic weapons from the hands of America's citizens...

The killing in America will continue...

[Melon]

19. Tragedy. More mental health investment is needed.

I haven’t seen the details yet, but these shooters normally have a troubled and identifiable past.

[ultralite001]

20. Krasnov is not a believer...

in mental health serviices for anyone...

[Skittles]

25. the flags should be put at half-staff and just left there

seriously, it's just another day in gun-sick America

[ultralite001]

33. Krasnov did nothing for the children lost in the flooding in Texas...

over the 4th of July...

or the folks lost in the tour bus accident near Niagara Falls...

or so many other tragedies...

Why is Krasnov suddenly "feeling moved" now???

(Falling polling numbers???)

Krasnov didn't "feel moved" to action when guns threatened his life...

[Skittles]

39. it only catches their attention when they can categorize the shooter

you know, to represent all immigrants or all POC or all LGBTQ

[SonOfNebanaube]

79. that incident was staged for the photo op. n/t

[BlueKota]

18. I am wondering since his mother worked there

was he an alumnus and felt he was mistreated? Maybe he thought they were unfair in how they treated his Mom, or if she was overly strict, he blamed the church for it?

Who knows what could have set him off.

None of it excuses what he did though.

[A Brand New World]

74. I have read that they graduated from the grade school there in 2017.

[Nigrum Cattus]

26. Is the killer/terrorist a RWer ?

This is terrorism, plain & simple.
Any corporate media that won't acknowledge that is the problem

[LonePirate]

30. I don't know that answer but the right is definitely claiming the shooter was trans.

Motives or ideology are irrelevant when transphobia is involved.

[dflprincess]

32. The local progressive station also reported that

And yes, it's setting the MAGAts off.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

51. Fuck

More trans bashing.

[Jilly_in_VA]

27. And KashYAP says it's being investigated

as a "Hate crime against Catholics". No, buddy, you got that all wrong. It was a hate crime against CHILDREN!

[Irish_Dem]

29. America worships guns.

They are our gods, we give up our children for them.

[Beartracks]

34. The Gun God demands another sacrifice of innocents. n/t

[Irish_Dem]

35. Yes the Gun God demands regular child sacrifices.

[Skittles]

52. COWARDS worship guns

yup

[Irish_Dem]

56. Man baby cowards use guns as a penis substitute.

[Skittles]

75. I have always steered clear of gun fanatics

I think they are pathetic

[Irish_Dem]

77. Compensating for problems in the bedroom.

Yep. Stay clear of them.

[bluestarone]

61. Yep, GOLD and GUNS!

I will also add CONTROL. They (TSF's and his followers) Love Gold, guns, and control!!

[Irish_Dem]

63. Power and money.

And control, revenge.

[PennRalphie]

36. HOW did he get those guns?

I’m sure Minnesota has background checks. Who sold him those guns????

[Ocelot II]

42. He had no criminal record, and he was old enough to buy them legally.

If he'd never been arrested, and if he'd never been treated for mental illness (though he doesn't sound very sane), he wouldn't have been flagged on a background check. There is also a "red flag" law that allows family members or law enforcement to petition a court to take firearms from someone who poses a significant danger to themselves or others. Maybe nothing like that ever happened either.

[TommieMommy]

37. How many must die before they do something to stop this insanity 😡

[niyad]

49. We are not all dead yet, so. . .never.

[AverageOldGuy]

38. When will it end?

I hate to break it to you, but, the answer is NEVER.

[bluestarone]

40. TSF and his followers have release a CURSE

on all Americans. (true Americans that will NOT follow this FREAK)

[Initech]

44. Just another day in the fucking hellscape brought to us by Donald Trump and Fox News.

[Norrrm]

48. From today's toons.

[Crunchy Frog]

54. It isn't ever going to end. This seems to have become an immutable facet of our society.

[Cowpunk]

58. This shooter is part of an online death cult.

Trying to make sense of their ideology is pretty pointless. Hate itself is their ideology. They primarily admired other suicidal mass killers and sought to emulate them.

[Clouds Passing]

59. The children

The injured 💚

[perdita9]

62. Adam Lanza shot up the school where his mom volunteered

Maybe the psychiatric community has a theory

[Initech]

66. Just another day in the nightmare hell world created by Donald Trump, Alex Jones, and Fox News.

I want it to stop!

[SoFlaBro]

67. MAGA, much like Hamas, loves dead little ones. The body count can't be high enough for these fucking shitstains.

[Emile]

68. Was the shooter raised in a Republican family environment?

We know his uncle in Kentucky was a Republican law maker.

[alimbalt]

70. DESTROY ...

... THE 2A, A.S.A.P.

[Emile]

78. I want them to stop misleading the representation of the 2nd. Amendment.

[GusBob]

82. Who locked the doors?

According to a Huff Post report just posted in LBN, the church locked the doors which was a thing they did after a mass started

It is thought this actually saved lives