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Breaking: Antifa founders identified! (Original Post) SocialDemocrat61 Thursday OP
that blabbing girlfriend ratted them out! ret5hd Thursday #1
Lucy Mercer AdamGG Friday #39
You gotta admit, they kept it secret a long time. nt Shoeless Louis Friday #40
you'd think such eloquent men would've mentioned it at some point, then thebigidea Thursday #2
UK was being bomb sorta kinda like Ukraine right now...... Lovie777 Thursday #6
Great points. And as always the dispossessed, the struggling to survive, are sacrificed for power. erronis Thursday #8
Ernst Thälmann Celerity Thursday #3
It's hard to understand who are the "good guys". Seems everything is agitprop or disinformation. erronis Thursday #9
Thank you for some historical perspective! ClaudetteCC Thursday #14
Just remember, if you're not antifa you're profa mdbl Friday #20
I wouldn't consider North Korea a democracy and citizen oriented government ClaudetteCC Friday #21
It's what they were, the maligners are the ones trying to tie current antifa to century old communist movements. Blues Heron Friday #26
they were indeed fighting fascism ClaudetteCC Friday #36
You're correct, of course... WarGamer Thursday #15
Lol! Blues Heron Friday #27
FDR never wore bronzer. Kid Berwyn Thursday #4
I thought these guys were the inspiration DBoon Thursday #5
Imagine truddy777 Thursday #7
If they could rise from their graves, they'd take on the new Nazis, and win - again. erronis Thursday #10
They were very woke to the dangers of fascism Blues Heron Friday #28
Thank You Kick! Cha Thursday #11
Right! lol ffr Thursday #12
And if Jesus came back they'd crucify him as a swarthy woke hippy without a trial. Ol Janx Spirit Thursday #17
An unwashed, trouble making, commie jew in tranny clothes, is what they'd say RVN VET71 Friday #23
Antifa co-conspirators have also been identified: AZ8theist Thursday #13
There used to be a photo of Eleanor and FDR that got used a lot here ms liberty Thursday #16
Two amazing ANTIFASCISTS BannonsLiver Thursday #18
But we have been scolded multiple times on this subject! Kingofalldems Friday #25
lol I know! I guess I enjoy memeing more than I do history 🙄 BannonsLiver Friday #34
outstanding! Skittles Friday #19
posted this morning on BlueSky: barbtries Friday #22
Love this! Joinfortmill Friday #32
Can't find the pic of my old man. He was a CPO on a mine sweeper RVN VET71 Friday #37
FDR would be making this world a better place for all of us if he were with us now. Clouds Passing Friday #24
Post removed Post removed Friday #29
Sounds serious Torchlight Friday #30
Two of The Greats. Joinfortmill Friday #31
Yeah! Beowulf42 Friday #33
And a lot of others. Ping Tung Friday #35
Frankly, that's absurd. For one thing, it lacks Joe Stalin. malthaussen Friday #38
when bondi announced that she was waterboarding the "gorl froend" if anrifa founder rampartd Friday #41

thebigidea

(13,536 posts)
2. you'd think such eloquent men would've mentioned it at some point, then
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 05:28 PM
Thursday

this co-opting of the Allies under the banner of "antifa" is weird. Of course they were anti-fascist.

To a degree. Churchill funneled secret payments to Franco to keep Spain out of the war. So not THAT anti-fascist. He'd help keep fascists in power if it served his political interests and the war effort.

But they certainly weren't literally under the banner of "antifa." I don't get what these games are supposed to accomplish. Better to just ask the Republicans who the fuck they are talking about specifically and cough up some evidence of a conspiracy.

Lovie777

(20,654 posts)
6. UK was being bomb sorta kinda like Ukraine right now......
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 05:53 PM
Thursday

Hitler almost had Europe, UK stood their ground and the extreme cold weather helped Russia. USA didn't want to get involved. Millions upon millions died because of religious beliefs that unfortunately still carries on from generations.

But the USA and pro-freedom countries did, the US Pearl Harbor kinda "woke" the USA up, and the USA did bomb Japan.

And here we are. Tables are turned - Palestine, and deaths across the world, and the USA cutting aid to those around the world and also to it's own country.

Rinse and repeat.

erronis

(21,571 posts)
8. Great points. And as always the dispossessed, the struggling to survive, are sacrificed for power.
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 06:47 PM
Thursday

erronis

(21,571 posts)
9. It's hard to understand who are the "good guys". Seems everything is agitprop or disinformation.
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 06:54 PM
Thursday

Seems familiar today in the USofA.

For a country such as Ukraine which has endured invasions and genocides from so many actors, it must be very difficult to know where allegiances lie - especially after decades or centuries.

(Oh, I guess that has parallels with the failed "confederacy" way back when.)

ClaudetteCC

(120 posts)
14. Thank you for some historical perspective!
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 07:47 PM
Thursday

I don't like to see our great leaders and past military members maligned by the 'antifa' label.

ClaudetteCC

(120 posts)
21. I wouldn't consider North Korea a democracy and citizen oriented government
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 08:02 AM
Friday

just because it calls itself "Democratic People's Republic of Korea."

Blues Heron

(7,766 posts)
26. It's what they were, the maligners are the ones trying to tie current antifa to century old communist movements.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 10:38 AM
Friday

It’s a concerned trolling effort that pops up every time someone says the WWII GIs we’re fighting fascism. The usual suspects keep pushing it in the name of “historical accuracy” but it’s just rw trolling.

ClaudetteCC

(120 posts)
36. they were indeed fighting fascism
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 01:05 PM
Friday

but i'm sure there are better labels for them than recycling the century old label of 'antifa' - the latter seems like a specific intent to link the two

DBoon

(24,358 posts)
5. I thought these guys were the inspiration
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 05:52 PM
Thursday
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street

The Battle of Cable Street was a series of clashes that took place at several locations in the East End of London, most famously Cable Street, on Sunday 4 October 1936. It was a clash between the Metropolitan Police, sent to protect a march by the British Union of Fascists,[1] led by Oswald Mosley, and anti-fascist demonstrators, including local trade unionists, communists, British Jews, and socialist groups.[2][3][4] The anti-fascist counter-demonstration included both organised and unaffiliated participants.
...
The anti-fascists celebrated the community's united response, in which East-Enders of all backgrounds — including Irish Catholics, Jews, Orthodox Jews, dockers and Somali seamen — successfully resisted Mosley and his followers.[36]

The event is frequently cited by modern Antifa movements as "the moment at which British fascism was decisively defeated".[3][37] The Fascists presented themselves as the law-abiding party who were denied free speech by a weak government and police force in the face of mob violence. Many of the arrested demonstrators reported harsh treatment at the hands of the police.[38]


My bolding

ffr

(23,252 posts)
12. Right! lol
Thu Oct 9, 2025, 07:13 PM
Thursday

And if they were alive today, the MAGA cultists would have them arrested without batting an eye. That's how far lost the GOP has gone.

RVN VET71

(3,068 posts)
23. An unwashed, trouble making, commie jew in tranny clothes, is what they'd say
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 08:22 AM
Friday

Tryin' to soften us up with His bullshit about love and, jesuschrist, forgiveness. And Trump would DM NOEM to "get Him and get Him good, like really good, and make it look like it was Antifa, and Gavin Newsom." End of story -- except for that hippie dude found floating in the East River with a tear in His eye.

That's why Jesus ain't coming back. Once was enough for Him.

Kingofalldems

(39,933 posts)
25. But we have been scolded multiple times on this subject!
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 10:32 AM
Friday

Same talking points again and again.

BannonsLiver

(19,732 posts)
34. lol I know! I guess I enjoy memeing more than I do history 🙄
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 12:31 PM
Friday

I can’t wait to see what their next fixation is. My bet is on an impassioned defense of Bari Weiss!

barbtries

(30,813 posts)
22. posted this morning on BlueSky:
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 08:22 AM
Friday

i think for the Mass Protest on 18Oct2025, I'll print up a picture of my dad in the Navy back in 1941 (USS California, Pearl Harbor) and label it my Antifa roots.

Democratic Barbara (@barbtries.bsky.social) 2025-10-10T12:05:56.968Z


I'm thinking about my sign for the 18Oct2025 Mass Protest.

RVN VET71

(3,068 posts)
37. Can't find the pic of my old man. He was a CPO on a mine sweeper
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 01:19 PM
Friday

Dad saw action in North Africa and Italy -- and was enroute to the Pacific when the bombs were dropped. So he was spared the certain carnage that an invasion of Japan would have caused. I hope your Dad survived the war. The men and women of that generation had a lot to tell us, to teach us.

I know what my Dad thought of fascists. He hated them. I also know how he felt about killing. He hated it.

Concerning fascists, he didn't dwell on the subject but when it came up, he left no doubt what his feelings were.
Concerning killing, he didn't tell me about the nazi soldiers he killed until after I returned home from Vietnam. Later he angrily and loudly lectured my cousin about the value of human life when my cousin began bragging about the "gooks" he'd killed in Vietnam.

If he were alive today -- he passed 30 years ago -- he'd be in total agreement with me about the traitors and cowards running the government and destroying the institutions of democracy.

But that Antifa generation had the backing of the United States Government when they went off to fight Nazism in Europe and Imperial Fascism in the Pacific. Here, today, antifa is a dream, inchoate and lacking unified leadership. The Republicans are all fascists and cowards, the SCOTUS is led by Roberts and the 5 conservative goof balls in SCOTUS who have no respect for their Country or its founding principles. The Dems are mostly stuttering their opposition, nervously, and calling the Fascists "uncooperative" when they should be calling them -- all of them -- Fascist usurpers of democracy. (The Dems! I cannot and will never forgive them for what they did to Al Franken. But the Dem Party is all we have to fight the Fascists: it's like the Polish cavalry against the Nazi Panzers -- with the exception worth noting that the Polish cavalry acted with defiant, if hopeless, courage.)



Response to SocialDemocrat61 (Original post)

malthaussen

(18,298 posts)
38. Frankly, that's absurd. For one thing, it lacks Joe Stalin.
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 01:58 PM
Friday

But the concept that FDR and Winston Churchill were the original "founders" of Anti-Fascism is ahistorical. Indeed, the real anti-Fascists from the start were the Communists, which is why the US Government designated certain people "premature anti-Fascists" when anti-Fascism became fashionable. "Premature anti-Fascist" was code for "dirty stinking Commie."

The idea boggles the mind, really. "Prematurely" anti-Fascist? Like there was a time when it was okay to be pro-Fascist. And there's the rub: there was a time when it was okay to be pro-Fascist, until the Fascists started making life complicated for Big Business and the Western Democracies. Fortunately, we were able to fight the Fascists to the last Russian (compare the casualty figures for WW2 sometime). Then belatedly "liberate" Western Europe and brag about how we won the war.

-- Mal

rampartd

(2,595 posts)
41. when bondi announced that she was waterboarding the "gorl froend" if anrifa founder
Fri Oct 10, 2025, 04:48 PM
Friday

i sort of thought elenor roosevelt was already dead.

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