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ret5hd
(21,849 posts)Shoeless Louis
(85 posts)thebigidea
(13,536 posts)this co-opting of the Allies under the banner of "antifa" is weird. Of course they were anti-fascist.
To a degree. Churchill funneled secret payments to Franco to keep Spain out of the war. So not THAT anti-fascist. He'd help keep fascists in power if it served his political interests and the war effort.
But they certainly weren't literally under the banner of "antifa." I don't get what these games are supposed to accomplish. Better to just ask the Republicans who the fuck they are talking about specifically and cough up some evidence of a conspiracy.
Lovie777
(20,654 posts)Hitler almost had Europe, UK stood their ground and the extreme cold weather helped Russia. USA didn't want to get involved. Millions upon millions died because of religious beliefs that unfortunately still carries on from generations.
But the USA and pro-freedom countries did, the US Pearl Harbor kinda "woke" the USA up, and the USA did bomb Japan.
And here we are. Tables are turned - Palestine, and deaths across the world, and the USA cutting aid to those around the world and also to it's own country.
Rinse and repeat.
erronis
(21,571 posts)Celerity
(52,468 posts)erronis
(21,571 posts)Seems familiar today in the USofA.
For a country such as Ukraine which has endured invasions and genocides from so many actors, it must be very difficult to know where allegiances lie - especially after decades or centuries.
(Oh, I guess that has parallels with the failed "confederacy" way back when.)
ClaudetteCC
(120 posts)I don't like to see our great leaders and past military members maligned by the 'antifa' label.
mdbl
(7,545 posts)ClaudetteCC
(120 posts)just because it calls itself "Democratic People's Republic of Korea."
Blues Heron
(7,766 posts)Its a concerned trolling effort that pops up every time someone says the WWII GIs were fighting fascism. The usual suspects keep pushing it in the name of historical accuracy but its just rw trolling.
ClaudetteCC
(120 posts)but i'm sure there are better labels for them than recycling the century old label of 'antifa' - the latter seems like a specific intent to link the two
WarGamer
(18,008 posts)But some people love the meme more than history.
Kid Berwyn
(22,102 posts)He was a man of true character.
DBoon
(24,358 posts)The Battle of Cable Street was a series of clashes that took place at several locations in the East End of London, most famously Cable Street, on Sunday 4 October 1936. It was a clash between the Metropolitan Police, sent to protect a march by the British Union of Fascists,[1] led by Oswald Mosley, and anti-fascist demonstrators, including local trade unionists, communists, British Jews, and socialist groups.[2][3][4] The anti-fascist counter-demonstration included both organised and unaffiliated participants.
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The anti-fascists celebrated the community's united response, in which East-Enders of all backgrounds including Irish Catholics, Jews, Orthodox Jews, dockers and Somali seamen successfully resisted Mosley and his followers.[36]
The event is frequently cited by modern Antifa movements as "the moment at which British fascism was decisively defeated".[3][37] The Fascists presented themselves as the law-abiding party who were denied free speech by a weak government and police force in the face of mob violence. Many of the arrested demonstrators reported harsh treatment at the hands of the police.[38]
My bolding
truddy777
(52 posts)Imagine storming Normandy just to get called woke eighty years later.
erronis
(21,571 posts)Blues Heron
(7,766 posts)Cha
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ffr
(23,252 posts)And if they were alive today, the MAGA cultists would have them arrested without batting an eye. That's how far lost the GOP has gone.
Ol Janx Spirit
(423 posts)RVN VET71
(3,068 posts)Tryin' to soften us up with His bullshit about love and, jesuschrist, forgiveness. And Trump would DM NOEM to "get Him and get Him good, like really good, and make it look like it was Antifa, and Gavin Newsom." End of story -- except for that hippie dude found floating in the East River with a tear in His eye.
That's why Jesus ain't coming back. Once was enough for Him.
AZ8theist
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ms liberty
(10,693 posts)I'll have to look for it.
BannonsLiver
(19,732 posts)
Kingofalldems
(39,933 posts)Same talking points again and again.
BannonsLiver
(19,732 posts)I cant wait to see what their next fixation is. My bet is on an impassioned defense of Bari Weiss!
Skittles
(168,025 posts)
barbtries
(30,813 posts)i think for the Mass Protest on 18Oct2025, I'll print up a picture of my dad in the Navy back in 1941 (USS California, Pearl Harbor) and label it my Antifa roots.
— Democratic Barbara (@barbtries.bsky.social) 2025-10-10T12:05:56.968Z
I'm thinking about my sign for the 18Oct2025 Mass Protest.
Joinfortmill
(19,151 posts)RVN VET71
(3,068 posts)Dad saw action in North Africa and Italy -- and was enroute to the Pacific when the bombs were dropped. So he was spared the certain carnage that an invasion of Japan would have caused. I hope your Dad survived the war. The men and women of that generation had a lot to tell us, to teach us.
I know what my Dad thought of fascists. He hated them. I also know how he felt about killing. He hated it.
Concerning fascists, he didn't dwell on the subject but when it came up, he left no doubt what his feelings were.
Concerning killing, he didn't tell me about the nazi soldiers he killed until after I returned home from Vietnam. Later he angrily and loudly lectured my cousin about the value of human life when my cousin began bragging about the "gooks" he'd killed in Vietnam.
If he were alive today -- he passed 30 years ago -- he'd be in total agreement with me about the traitors and cowards running the government and destroying the institutions of democracy.
But that Antifa generation had the backing of the United States Government when they went off to fight Nazism in Europe and Imperial Fascism in the Pacific. Here, today, antifa is a dream, inchoate and lacking unified leadership. The Republicans are all fascists and cowards, the SCOTUS is led by Roberts and the 5 conservative goof balls in SCOTUS who have no respect for their Country or its founding principles. The Dems are mostly stuttering their opposition, nervously, and calling the Fascists "uncooperative" when they should be calling them -- all of them -- Fascist usurpers of democracy. (The Dems! I cannot and will never forgive them for what they did to Al Franken. But the Dem Party is all we have to fight the Fascists: it's like the Polish cavalry against the Nazi Panzers -- with the exception worth noting that the Polish cavalry acted with defiant, if hopeless, courage.)
Clouds Passing
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Torchlight
(5,845 posts)Good luck
Joinfortmill
(19,151 posts)Beowulf42
(300 posts)Lock 'em up.
Ping Tung
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malthaussen
(18,298 posts)But the concept that FDR and Winston Churchill were the original "founders" of Anti-Fascism is ahistorical. Indeed, the real anti-Fascists from the start were the Communists, which is why the US Government designated certain people "premature anti-Fascists" when anti-Fascism became fashionable. "Premature anti-Fascist" was code for "dirty stinking Commie."
The idea boggles the mind, really. "Prematurely" anti-Fascist? Like there was a time when it was okay to be pro-Fascist. And there's the rub: there was a time when it was okay to be pro-Fascist, until the Fascists started making life complicated for Big Business and the Western Democracies. Fortunately, we were able to fight the Fascists to the last Russian (compare the casualty figures for WW2 sometime). Then belatedly "liberate" Western Europe and brag about how we won the war.
-- Mal
rampartd
(2,595 posts)i sort of thought elenor roosevelt was already dead.