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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCould Autism Be an Evolutionary Step Forward?
Ive been thinking about something lately. What if autism isnt really a disorder, but part of humanitys next step in evolution?
We already know ADHD mightve helped early humans quick to notice danger, quick to act, great for hunters and explorers. But in todays world, the survival game has changed. Were not running from lions anymore, were solving problems in physics, math, engineering, and technology. Maybe autism evolved to thrive here.
Autistic people often see the world through patterns, details, and systems. They notice what others miss, question what others accept, and focus so deeply that new discoveries can emerge. That kind of brain might struggle with small talk or social chaos, but its exactly the kind of mind that drives science forward.
Just think about the people throughout history who mightve been on the spectrum. Some of these names are frequently mentioned as showing signs of being on the spectrum:
Isaac Newton, lost in thought, barely noticed the world around him yet he gave us the laws of motion.
Nikola Tesla, intensely sensitive and visionary, dreamed up wireless energy before anyone could imagine it.
Albert Einstein, who didnt speak until age four, thought in visual patterns instead of words, and redefined reality itself.
Ludwig van Beethoven, hyper-focused and emotionally intense, turned sound into something transcendent.
Michelangelo and Lewis Carroll too, brilliant, obsessive, often isolated, yet they reshaped art and imagination forever.
If autism had been fixed or filtered out, we might never have had the light bulb, the symphony, or the theory of relativity.
And heres the thing, our society is becoming more and more dependent on abstract reasoning and systems thinking. Artificial intelligence, quantum physics, data science, these are autistic strengths. The world is literally evolving toward the kind of thinking autistic minds have always done best.
So maybe autism isnt a flaw at all. Maybe its an evolutionary feature, a sign that humanity keeps diversifying its ways of understanding reality.
I think it's time we stop viewing autism through the lens of deficit and start seeing it as part of the design, natures way of keeping the human story curious, creative, and kind of brilliant.

murielm99
(32,395 posts)That's how I ace tests. When I think in patterns, I do well on tests. Don't ask me to explain it, either. It just works.
thomski64
(783 posts)Eloon Musk
Quixote1818
(31,093 posts)narcissistic too, like Trump.
paleotn
(21,004 posts)Neuro typical, i.e. classic brain wiring. And wiring is what I think the OP is getting at. How different people's brains process information. Thing is, there isn't some neat, tidy box called autistic or neuro typical. Nature abhors neat, tidy boxes and so do I. We're on a continuum. And like any other species, we're still experiencing evolutionary pressures. The OP may very well be correct, since there is a hereditary aspect to varying degrees of autism.
I have some Asperger tendencies, though that terminology isn't used clinically any more. Yet, in other ways, I lean neuro typical. Since elementary school I thought I was a bit different than my classmates. We just didn't think the same way. Perhaps that is why I'm good at math, science, engineering, pretty much anything to do with spatial reasoning and numbers.
I am by no means a people person but can be when I need to be. I function socially like anyone else, but find those things exhausting after a while. Generally, I'm not known for being very "nice" in the conventional sense, unless it's with people I know well. I'm blunt and direct, yet have a strong sense of affective empathy. I do have an innate sense of right, wrong, fairness (generally strong with those on the spectrum), and the good sense to know that much of where each of us are in life is due to probabilities and the birth lottery. That last sentence makes me a life long Democrat, but perhaps from a slightly different direction than others. Plus, Mom's "but for the grace of God, go you."
Elmo may have autistic tendencies, but there's much more to it. He's also very narcissistic and perhaps a sociopath. Those are totally different conditions from autism.
Alice Kramden
(2,802 posts)From all of his recreational drugs
AZJonnie
(1,837 posts)in a certain % of the population. Not terribly different from homosexuality or transgenderism. It serves the species survival chances to produce a certain % of the population that exhibits these personality characteristics. Just as it does to have a certain % be "conservative" (i.e. strongly competition-driven) and a certain % be "liberal" (i.e. more cooperation-driven).
And when I say 'the population' I do not mean strictly in the 'human population'. I believe that if it were studied in earnest, it would be discovered there are 'autistic' individuals in the entire Great Ape family (which include hominids such as us of course), and quite possibly dating even much further back in the evolutionary chain. Could be we'd find there are "autistic" dolphins & whales too, if we could devise a proper test for it.
Ergo, I don't think it's an "evolutionary step-forward for humanity", because I believe the general phenomenon very likely pre-dates humanity altogether.
Which of course makes RFK Jr's stupid bullshit feel even MORE like stupid bullshit to me personally than it might to the average person
paleotn
(21,004 posts)Novel mutations are happening all the time. The engine of evolution. Autism may not be a step forward for humans, but there is a genetic component so it is a step. A set of interesting mutations. Where it leads, who knows? Perhaps it does give some humans a competitive leg up. Maybe not. Perhaps a road that leads nowhere. There's been billions of those.
As for Junior, he's got the grifter mutation. And some serious machinery damage from that brain worm.
AZJonnie
(1,837 posts)And I am personally of the belief that we do not know all there is to uncover about the mysteries of evolution as a whole. I think we're likely to find that, while mutations themselves are more or less random, the EXPRESSION of genes may be much more flexible than we previously thought. IOW, there may be a bit more to evolution than simply "the fittest survive to procreate".
I think we'll find out that environmental factors can impact gene expression, potentially even from one generation to the next. I think all creatures have 'dormant' features in their genome that can shift towards expression or non-expression based on what happens during the lives of the individuals. Now, I know this has been thought of as "fringe" in the past, but my bet is that it will be discovered to be not only possible, but possibly even common.
Just to give a very simple example, and I am NOT suggesting I'm "right" about this particular one thing, but this is to illustrate the general concept. A species begins to run out of resources (food, water, and productive territory) due to population overshoot. So the % of individuals who end up being asexual, or homosexual, begins to increase. The 'gene' for the behavior is already there, maybe from 10 million years and 10 species prior, but conditions/environment stress can trigger a shift in the expression of the gene, long down the evolutionary chain from when it first evolved.
Just my pet personal theory, this may be incorrect of course
erronis
(21,571 posts)There is no cookie-cutter human, just like there is no one model of a snowflake. Nature will mold us during gestation and throughout our lives.
mr715
(2,113 posts)cachukis
(3,472 posts)AZJonnie
(1,837 posts)But that is many people's perception of what the term means
cachukis
(3,472 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,140 posts)And he is far and away the smartest person I know. But being on the spectrum has been challenging. He flunked out of three of the six colleges he attended, because he didn't know how to ask for help when he needed it. Along the way at least two astronomers used the word "genius" to describe him.
He is in the final stages of getting his PhD in the field, and has started looking at jobs.
I wouldn't be surprised if autism is simply another step forward in our evolution.
Tree Lady
(12,789 posts)Aspergers and is very smart but socially challenging. He tried to go to college last year but they thought he could live alone but kids in dorms teased him. So they had him take rest of year off and they are trying to get him into college in Bellevue, WA that has a special program where a helper checks in with them throughout the day. Also they are going to move near there so he can live at home while going to college. Other son is graduating this year so waiting for him to finish school before they move. They are in Texas now, my son n law was military and they ended up there.
He also wants to be an Astronomer. Where did your son go to college?
SamuelTheThird
(326 posts)Autism would have to confer some reproductive advantage for the individual exhibiting it.
Quixote1818
(31,093 posts)evolution isnt always straightforward. Traits that might not directly increase reproduction can persist if they contribute to the groups survival or if theyre linked genetically to other advantageous traits.
For example, intense focus, pattern recognition, or deep systemizing might have helped early human groups find food, track seasons, or develop tools benefiting the community even if the individuals reproductive success wasnt directly increased.
Also, traits often persist simply because they dont prevent reproduction entirely. Neurodiversity isnt necessarily selected against; it can coexist alongside other traits that do confer advantages.
So thinking about autism in evolutionary terms isnt saying its automatically a superpower, but rather that these differences may have had adaptive value in certain contexts, and today, they help drive innovation, science, and creative problem-solving.
SamuelTheThird
(326 posts)Clearly that isn't tenable given the short time
As far as group selection, that is a controversial area. Most evolutionary scientists do not subscribe to it.
cachukis
(3,472 posts)SamuelTheThird
(326 posts)cachukis
(3,472 posts)Technologies are the fruits of mind works. Perhaps autistic minds?
haele
(14,710 posts)The standard "survival of the fittest" doesn't always mean the genetically strongest, fastest, or smartest.
It means the individual carrying genetic traits most likely to survive, either on their own or helping their community survive.
Autism might be a function of curiosity, of experimentation; to noticing seasonal changes and the patterns of weather and the night sky being able to foretell abundance and scarcity of plants and animals. Autism may be part of the gene that promotes concentration - working out how to make a tool or device, such as a pot or rope, to make up for lack of some other skill so as to make it easier and quicker to get food and shelter, to work out how tinder burns high, while hardwood smolders so as to keep the tribe warm over the winter.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,140 posts)Kansas State University, Manhattan, KS;
Johnson County Community College, Overland Park KS
University of Missouri, Kansas City;
Missouri State University, Springfield MO;
George Mason University, Fairfax, VA.
He's getting a PhD from George Mason.
sakabatou
(45,394 posts)It's highly doubtful there will ever be a new hominid species in a long time, if ever.
paleotn
(21,004 posts)And why the nice, neat species boxes? Turns out, nature really doesn't work that way. That's just the macro patterns that are easy to see. Lots of scientific argument on where the boundaries are between many species. And were Neanderthals a different species? Sort of. Yet we could still interbreed. I you're of European decent, chances are good you've got what's classified as Neanderthal genetics in your genome. If you from East Asia, Densinovian genetics.
In short, it's messy. And that's why broad statements like your aren't necessarily correct.
sakabatou
(45,394 posts)Back then, yes. But now? There's probably too much of a drift. Homo sapiens, Densinovians, and Neanderthals all have a common ancestor. Which hominid is hard to say.
We do have ring species. Species A may breed with species B, and B with C, and C with D, but A and D cannot reproduce fertile offspring.
milestogo
(21,970 posts)Rhiagel
(1,811 posts)I can't imagine a species advancing too far with so many people covering ears and stimming.
meadowlander
(5,005 posts)You can manage sensory issues by just working in a space that is quiet or appropriately lit or away from offensive odours or whatever the problem is. We've had those kinds of places forever.
And stimming helps to focus attention. The purpose is to help ground people when they are feeling overwhelmed by other things.
Put the autistic person in a place that doesn't cause sensory overload or otherwise overwhelm them and they can function at their best.
hunter
(40,056 posts)My own humanism is very hard won.
Too many of us autistic people grow up to be the tools of monsters. Or we become monsters ourselves.
meadowlander
(5,005 posts)Autistic people are people. Some of them are amazing, kind, honest, playful, loyal etc. either by nature or by choice and some of them are assholes, again the same.
Your experience is not universal and you don't speak for all autistic people.
Autism does not cause lack of empathy or other "monstrous" traits. Please stop spreading this misleading information which fuels prejudice against autistic people.
hunter
(40,056 posts)I've written about my own journey here often. I don't claim to speak for other autistic people.
Here's some of my recent posts:
Diagnosis https://www.democraticunderground.com/115123238
40,000th post https://www.democraticunderground.com/10182232621
Could have killed me https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220675525#post5
If I presume to diagnose myself, the autism led to the PTSD which led to the depression. There may have been some psychotic component in there as well, since my mind did seem to go a little sideways in late adolescence. But most of the misery relates directly to the autistic spectrum stuff.
Personally I don't suffer from any lack of empathy but my lack of self-awareness has caused a lot of problems for me and for those who love me.
Like most mental health issues, autism makes people more likely to become victims of violence than perpetrators of it.
BTW, my selection of this video was not coincidental. My autistic spectrum grandfather (it's clearly an inherited trait in my family) was an engineer for the Apollo Project. During World War II he was an Army Air Corp officer. He never talked about that and may have played a role in some dirty business. His personal life was always a mess and his relationships with coworkers frequently contentious.
Our society does not celebrate diversity. If it did autistic people wouldn't have so many problems. Neither would LGBTQ people. About a third of the people in our society want to actively torture people they don't consider "normal" and a politically significant fraction of the population is willing to go along with that.
cachukis
(3,472 posts)Faux pas
(15,963 posts)I've noticed that they have high ESP abilities too. My daughter is autistic.
hunter
(40,056 posts)... for better or worse, speaking from personal experience.
TheRickles
(2,985 posts)It's a a series of talks and interviews about the paranormal abilities exhibited by many autistic people, and includes research studies that validate and replicate these reports.
https://www.youtube.com/@TheTelepathyTapes
hunter
(40,056 posts)Been teased that I can be a bit fey, especially on the doom-and-gloom side of the scale.
I've been woken by my grandmother's and great grandmother's voices in the night.
In other words, I can be quite mad.
This does not change my assertion.
Most of my ancestors came to America not for the "opportunity" but because they saw that everything around them in Europe was turning to shit and they didn't want to die.
I have one Southern U.S.A. ancestor who foresaw the Civil War coming and set out walking to Oregon, probably not for any noble reasons, Oregon was then a Whites Only territory, he just didn't want to be conscripted into the yet undeclared confederacy and die.
Was any of this pattern recognition or paranormal precognition?
I'm sticking with pattern recognition.
I don't think any of this discussion is fair to people who are entirely or almost entirely dysfunctional in society because of their autism. My dad had cousins who were hidden away by the family because they could not function in ordinary society. It was their good fortune they had family affluent enough to support them. A portion of that affluence came from the tortured autistic spectrum "geniuses" who got lucky, but most of it came from the hard working practical people who loved them.
biocube
(144 posts)like Elon Musk.
However, if I had to pick one person to hand absolute power to, it would be my cousin. If there's anyone who wouldn't be corrupted by power it's him.
One time when the gas pump had a decimal problem and was only charging him ten percent what it was supposed to he went in and told the manager. The world would genuine be a lot better if more people were like him.
Unfortunately, POS's like Elon have more reproductive success than he does.
Bmoboy
(555 posts)Why assume that solving complex problems is the goal of humanity?
littlemissmartypants
(29,999 posts)Wild blueberry
(7,950 posts)This is exactly what I've been wondering, too. From observation of people I know.
Thank you.
Morbius
(718 posts)I don't think there's been an increase in autism. I think medicine and science has evolved to the point that it is better and more often diagnosed. I think for centuries autistic people have been misdiagnosed as simpletons in youth, if not called some other mental disease. We're better at seeing it and helping parents deal with it; I don't think it's more prevalent, just better recognized.
But maybe I'm wrong.
JoseBalow
(8,648 posts)Mosby
(19,101 posts)40% above
20% average
40% below.
Give or take.
That doesn't seem like a good mutation to me.
meadowlander
(5,005 posts)I don't think the science is there yet that it's autism that "causes" either high or low IQ. Autism is a spectrum of neurological traits like attention to detail, ability to hyperfocus, intense special interests, strong pattern recognition, etc. some of which may be beneficial on traditional IQ tests and some of which may be detrimental. We may at some future date be able to untether autism from comorbid conditions that create poor quality of life for some autistic people without "curing" autism.
Autistic people tend to have spikey profiles - amazing at things they have invested their focused attention on and shockingly crap at things they haven't. Like Sherlock Holmes being able to identify what street a particularly type of mud comes from but not knowing that the earth revolves around the sun because it wasn't relevant to his interests. So depending on what the test is testing they may score well or poorly.
What makes a "good mutation"? It can be one that benefits the species as a whole rather than the individual which clearly having a certain percentage of people fascinated by breeding the best kind of wheat or figuring out how to make calendars or knocking different types of rocks together until they found a convenient and predictable way to make fire, or testing foods until they figured out which ones were poisonous or not.
Autistic people are also disproportionately queer and there's a theory that having queer people in a social group is an evolutionary advantage because having some people not burdened by childcare but focused on tasks that benefit the colony as a whole, provides advantages to those social groups.
I think a lot of the priests and priestesses, monks and nuns that transcribed and illuminated ancient texts were actually autistic and that that effort helped to preserve a lot of information that would otherwise have been lost. If you have sensory issues and are asexual (which again, a disproportionate number of autistic people are) then living in a quiet monastery and devoting yourself to copying texts sounds pretty fab.
So you're welcome Western Civilisation.
meadowlander
(5,005 posts)As you note, many famous people - particularly scientists, would clearly have been diagnosed as autistic if they were born today. And many autistic people have made contributions to civilisation that went unnoticed because, in general, autistic people are loathe to take credit for things on the basis that any attention is bad attention. But I'm sure many ancient artists, weavers, food science and culinary experimenters, astronomers, priests, etc. would have been autistic.
We can also see evidence that autism has always been with us with the stories of changeling children, child demonic possession, hermits and witches.
Having said that, I do think autism is currently having a moment and that many of the challenges of the next stages of technology (computer science, AI, climate engineering, biomedical research, etc.) will benefit massively from contributions from autistic people as we rely more and more or our intellects for our survival. And because computers have largely been invented by autistic people (see Charles Babbage and Alan Turing both of whom should probably be on your list) in some ways they work in a way/speak a language that autistic people have an advantage in understanding.
I agree that selecting autism out of the gene pool or otherwise "curing" it would be a self-defeating tragedy. But I also don't see a future where everyone is autistic. Our resilience comes from our variation.
For all the people eager to jump up and say "autistic people are assholes too!" Yes, obviously a certain percentage of people in every group is composed of assholes. But I think you also need to look at that in the context of the extreme prejudice and bullying that autistic people face (and the more insidious but equally damaging social pressure to not be or at least not appear to be autistic) which leave many of them feeling embittering and antisocial.
Who knows where we would be at now if Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg had been able to get laid in high school because being really smart and into computers was considered an attractive trait instead of something to pick on people for. Maybe they would still be awful, and maybe not. I say we give that kind of world a try though, test the evidence, and find out.
Iggo
(49,269 posts)Im not seeing the advantage.
edhopper
(36,709 posts)But the way Evolution works is a if a new mutation allows those individuals survive better and produce more offspring, then the species will adopt that trait.
There is no upward thrust to evolution. Just better survival.
If you see that autism will lead to more offspring from those with it, than it will become more prevalent. I don't see it doing that.