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highplainsdem

(58,612 posts)
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 12:09 PM Yesterday

"AI is a Ponzi scheme designed to harvest large investments....a way to destroy IP for the individual and vest it to the

Broligarchs"

From Robert Young Pelton - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Young_Pelton - who unfortunately is not on Bluesky.

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Robert Young Pelton
@RYP__
AI is a Ponzi scheme designed to harvest large investments. Much like crypto it attracts stupid money with an illogical endstate. AI is just a way to destroy IP for the individual and vest it to the Broligarchs.


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"AI is a Ponzi scheme designed to harvest large investments....a way to destroy IP for the individual and vest it to the (Original Post) highplainsdem Yesterday OP
The crash is going to be huge Diraven Yesterday #1
Ed Zitron has done a great job showing how unstable the AI industry is. highplainsdem Yesterday #6
I just wish people wouldn't get sucked into the dark rabbithole of using it! SheltieLover Yesterday #2
The people hyping AI flatter users by saying it shows users' creativity, which is bullshit. And the chatbots highplainsdem Yesterday #3
Sickening! SheltieLover Yesterday #9
Creative people wouldn't touch ai SheltieLover Yesterday #12
It's sadly hilarious. I don't use it moonscape Yesterday #14
Every time I come across someone using it/posting it here, it just expands my blocklist. Blue_Adept Yesterday #4
A lot of people on Bluesky automatically block anyone using it or posting it. AI is very harmful to highplainsdem Yesterday #5
Absolutely! SheltieLover Yesterday #11
Yuppers! SheltieLover Yesterday #10
Obvious AI satire is not worth blacklisting. For example Bernardo de La Paz 23 hrs ago #18
No, it is worth blocking for the aforementioned ethical and environmental issues Blue_Adept 3 hrs ago #22
GenAI satire isn't okay. Use AI-free photo-editing tools. Think of EarlG's great Pic Of The Moment images. highplainsdem 2 hrs ago #23
There's some glowing omissions from that chart. Hugin Yesterday #7
I'm guessing it's from an article that's mostly about OpenAI. highplainsdem Yesterday #8
Google and Meta, as well. Hugin Yesterday #13
Fellow criminals who are desperate not to be held accountable for the IP theft powering their AI, or any highplainsdem 23 hrs ago #15
I'd be okay with them stealing the yard work or cleaning the grout. Hugin 23 hrs ago #16
Amazon and Apple are more self-funding than the rest. Little or no circular financing. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz 23 hrs ago #19
Circular financing is a feature of bubbles. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz 23 hrs ago #17
Beat Me To It ProfessorGAC 22 hrs ago #20
AKA Self licking ice cream cones... Hugin 22 hrs ago #21

Diraven

(1,658 posts)
1. The crash is going to be huge
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 12:16 PM
Yesterday

I read an article the other day that just maintaining all the current and planned AI data centers will cost almost half a trillion dollars a year. And how much profits do all the AI companies make from it? About $20 billion per year. That's not even close to sustainable. They all seem to be hoping for a completely unforseen breakthrough that will lead to massively greater profits by throwing ever more money at it before the whole industry implodes.

SheltieLover

(74,385 posts)
2. I just wish people wouldn't get sucked into the dark rabbithole of using it!
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 12:21 PM
Yesterday

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highplainsdem

(58,612 posts)
3. The people hyping AI flatter users by saying it shows users' creativity, which is bullshit. And the chatbots
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 12:43 PM
Yesterday

are designed to flatter users and tell them how smart, perceptive, etc., they are, to keep them engaged and ideally get them hooked on that AI model.

moonscape

(5,589 posts)
14. It's sadly hilarious. I don't use it
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 01:21 PM
Yesterday

much but confess to occasionally. On a lark I asked Chat GPT about a dilemma - it responded with advice, I said but xyz - it told me how perceptive I was, how absolutely correct, and reiterated what I had said as its new position. Then it tried to bait me into further discussion and resulting flattery but I bailed.

highplainsdem

(58,612 posts)
5. A lot of people on Bluesky automatically block anyone using it or posting it. AI is very harmful to
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 12:57 PM
Yesterday

discussion boards and other social media.

Including via AI companies stealing content for training data, rarely showing where the content they stole came from, diverting traffic from the sites they stole from, and scraping content so often they drive up those websites' costs. As EarlG has mentioned happening here at DU, with the AI companies' bots.

AI companies are doing tremendous damage to the internet, and much faster than I'd expected. And the AI-befuddled people posting AI slop are helping them do that damage.

Bernardo de La Paz

(59,468 posts)
18. Obvious AI satire is not worth blacklisting. For example
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 02:35 PM
23 hrs ago

I had an idea to ask one to make a picture of tRump's cabinet in the cabinet room but with every face but tRump's replaced by Epstein's face. It would be obviously AI and obviously satire and would make an effective point.

Blue_Adept

(6,475 posts)
22. No, it is worth blocking for the aforementioned ethical and environmental issues
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 10:19 AM
3 hrs ago

If you say that using GenAI is acceptable for satire, that just leaves me wondering if you actually understand the environmental impact of it.

highplainsdem

(58,612 posts)
23. GenAI satire isn't okay. Use AI-free photo-editing tools. Think of EarlG's great Pic Of The Moment images.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 11:30 AM
2 hrs ago

Hugin

(36,953 posts)
7. There's some glowing omissions from that chart.
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 01:01 PM
Yesterday

Amazon and Apple, for instance. Trillions (with a tee) more there.

Hugin

(36,953 posts)
13. Google and Meta, as well.
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 01:14 PM
Yesterday

Gads! How’d I miss those? :smdh:

They’re all one big incestuous derivative of one another. Much like South Park’s infamous hump ball.

You may be right about the focus of the article accounting for the omission.

highplainsdem

(58,612 posts)
15. Fellow criminals who are desperate not to be held accountable for the IP theft powering their AI, or any
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 02:10 PM
23 hrs ago

of the many harms done by their companies.

Hugin

(36,953 posts)
16. I'd be okay with them stealing the yard work or cleaning the grout.
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 02:16 PM
23 hrs ago

But, that doesn’t seem to be an option.

Bernardo de La Paz

(59,468 posts)
19. Amazon and Apple are more self-funding than the rest. Little or no circular financing. . . . . nt
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 02:36 PM
23 hrs ago

ProfessorGAC

(74,765 posts)
20. Beat Me To It
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 02:44 PM
22 hrs ago

The one item in that chart I still find stunning is Microsoft having a market cap of $3.8 trillion against an asset base of $620 billion.
The company is 50 years old & a dominant player for 40.
Where does the 6x potential come from in a company that mature?

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