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speak easy

(12,443 posts)
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 05:38 PM Sunday

Trump does not get humiliated.

He gets angry, incandescently angry, blaming everyone but himself. Video clickbait titles saying Trump was humiliated are ridiculous. That would require a degree of self awareness and self criticism which are absent in the psychopathic monster that he is. A defining feature of psychopaths is that they have no empathy nor guilt, nor shame let alone remorse. Trump is never wrong, never in the wrong, only wronged. Humiliation is nowhere in his reptile brain.

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Trump does not get humiliated. (Original Post) speak easy Sunday OP
He's got "buttons." Everyone does. paleotn Sunday #1
"Laughing at him and treating him like he's a second rate" speak easy Sunday #2
Could rage be covering for humiliation? electric_blue68 Sunday #28
He is clearly not immune to humiliation. returnee 17 hrs ago #36
Yip, am clickbaited to no end, from otherwise solid podcasters, about how "disastrous," UTUSN Sunday #3
All the hyperbole is just too annoying so my revenge is no clicking on it ms liberty Sunday #4
But...but ALL CAPS! ALL CAPS!!! N/ T. Tom Dyer Sunday #7
He is incapable of shame or accepting blame. surfered Sunday #5
Hard core 3auld6phart Sunday #22
The click bait is out of control Cirsium Sunday #6
Makes you wonder if there is a kickback. Many have no summary or just list guests. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Sunday #11
Yes Cirsium Sunday #15
Trump does not GET humiliation,he GIVES humiliation. BattleRow Sunday #8
Well shit - calimary Sunday #9
... ancianita Sunday #10
Well, I guess it's because he IS humiliated, by his little ol' self, calimary Sunday #13
Wishful thinking Cirsium Sunday #16
I see. Yes, we see his public humiliation, but that doesn't mean HE feels it. One can be humiliated without ancianita Sunday #18
I agree with your assessment...and more... Escape Sunday #12
Quoted from the 1993 movie "Tombstone" AverageOldGuy Sunday #14
The act of publicly humiliating someone... Joinfortmill Sunday #17
Thank you for saying it, click bait headlines have become absolutely ridiculous Bev54 Sunday #19
Psychopathy and Dementia bmichaelh Sunday #20
Couldn't it be both ? Is embarrassed different from humiliation ? JI7 Sunday #21
One also has to has a conscience to be humiliated kimbutgar Sunday #23
Oh, he feels humiliated GenThePerservering Sunday #24
He felt humiliated at the White House correspondence dinner where Obama roasted him. iemanja Sunday #25
Agreed. True Dough Sunday #26
I don't think he was humiliated. llmart Sunday #30
Made a joke? True Dough Sunday #33
I can think of one time Maru Kitteh Sunday #27
Obama frosted him. He wasn't humiliated. pandr32 11 hrs ago #40
It is literally impossible to shame him. The Mouth Sunday #29
My (faint) hope is that seeing him humiliated GopherGal Sunday #31
Krasnov believes he is never wrong & therefore he AnotherMother4Peace Sunday #32
If tRump was a normal human being capable of feeling shame or embarrassment -- Grammy23 Sunday #34
Yeah. speak easy Sunday #35
Idiots don't understand humiliation. demosincebirth 12 hrs ago #37
You have to have normal human feelings to be humiliated. He has none. appleannie1 12 hrs ago #38
You hit this one out of the park. pandr32 11 hrs ago #39
Yes and nothing will happen to him until it does. themaguffin 11 hrs ago #41
A tantrum is a tantrum, regardless of its source. Torchlight 11 hrs ago #42
A trait he shares with almost all of his Cabinet of Curiosities, and the Dunning-Kruger Caucus in the House. nt eppur_se_muova 10 hrs ago #43
Psychopaths do feel shame -- but not "normal" shame pat_k 8 hrs ago #44
Do not rely on AI slop speak easy 7 hrs ago #45
I evaluated against my knowledge, which is admittedly from the 1990's pat_k 6 hrs ago #46

paleotn

(21,017 posts)
1. He's got "buttons." Everyone does.
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 05:43 PM
Sunday

Laughing at him and treating him like he's a second rate nobody pushes his.

speak easy

(12,443 posts)
2. "Laughing at him and treating him like he's a second rate"
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 05:45 PM
Sunday

triggers rage, not humiliation.

returnee

(695 posts)
36. He is clearly not immune to humiliation.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 07:34 AM
17 hrs ago

The moment he experiences it he responds with rage. This is why he is referred to as “thin-skinned.”

UTUSN

(76,024 posts)
3. Yip, am clickbaited to no end, from otherwise solid podcasters, about how "disastrous,"
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 05:51 PM
Sunday

mentally collapsing he is daily, how he ran off from a press conference, how physically deteriorated he is, how yesterday/today/tomorrow he is in imminent explosion - then, there he is on the screen, yes babbling his b.s., but not being collapsed. He must be pumped on drugs, but there there there without being gone.




3auld6phart

(1,640 posts)
22. Hard core
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 07:15 PM
Sunday

He definitely is a hard core narcissist mysoginnist piece of excrement… not even taking a shit on…

Cirsium

(2,995 posts)
6. The click bait is out of control
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 06:06 PM
Sunday

Most of the videos feature no more than someone regurgitating stories from various news outlets, with little or no analysis, nothing new or interesting. It is manipulative and dishonest. It is counterproductive. They are grifting off of the people who are already opposed to Trump and MAGA.

People are profiteering from this unfolding humanitarian crisis. It is depraved.

ancianita

(42,277 posts)
10. ...
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 06:30 PM
Sunday

How is the "humiliated" label true when it's also true that the man lacks humility and shame?
How can they both be true at the same time?

calimary

(88,062 posts)
13. Well, I guess it's because he IS humiliated, by his little ol' self,
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 06:33 PM
Sunday

every time he opens his mouth.

At least for me.

Cirsium

(2,995 posts)
16. Wishful thinking
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 06:37 PM
Sunday

Most of the video titles rep[reset wishful thinking, and people lap it up. It is a con.

ancianita

(42,277 posts)
18. I see. Yes, we see his public humiliation, but that doesn't mean HE feels it. One can be humiliated without
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 06:42 PM
Sunday

even knowing it or feeling it. Sometimes what humiliates one person only enrages another -- it depends on whether or not they have a functioning conscience. You have one. But does he?

Escape

(298 posts)
12. I agree with your assessment...and more...
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 06:32 PM
Sunday

People who think Trump is stressed, frustrated or scared, are probably not understanding who (and what) he really is.

He has spent his entire life cheating people, lying, stealing, blaming and ridiculing.....He has spent the last 50 years in courtrooms losing legal battles.
He doesn't know anything else. He doesn't know or care anything about fairness, compassion or compromise and he has never experienced guilt or remorse.

He's an ugly, cold-hearted empty suit.

When he rants incoherently at 2:00 in the morning, he's not hurting, or crying out for help. He's celebrating. He's thrilled to be hurting people. It's what makes him tick.

He is a very confident and very content...... monster.

AverageOldGuy

(3,052 posts)
14. Quoted from the 1993 movie "Tombstone"
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 06:34 PM
Sunday
Wyatt Earp: What makes a man like Ringo, Doc? What makes him do the things he does?

Doc Holliday: A man like Ringo has got a great big hole, right in the middle of him. He can never kill enough, or steal enough, or inflict enough pain to ever fill it.

Wyatt Earp: What does he need?

Doc Holliday: Revenge.

Wyatt Earp: For what?

Doc Holliday: Bein' born.

bmichaelh

(1,001 posts)
20. Psychopathy and Dementia
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 06:59 PM
Sunday

Has there ever been one person in Trump's life that went to him and said: "You have problems and need professional help"

If they did, he or she would be an enemy of life to Trump.

Not sure at this point it would do much good.

It appears he is combining psychopathy and dementia.

He blamed "BIden's FBI" for January 6th when he and his FBI director were in charge and there was still 2 weeks before Biden took the oath of office.

He fits most of the following checklist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_Checklist

Item 1: Glibness/superficial charm
Item 2: Grandiose sense of self-worth
Item 3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
Item 4: Pathological lying
Item 5: Conning/manipulative
Item 6: Lack of remorse or guilt
Item 7: Shallow affect
Item 8: Callous/lack of empathy
Item 9: Parasitic lifestyle
Item 10: Poor behavioral controls
Item 11: Promiscuous sexual behavior
Item 12: Early behavior problems
Item 13: Lack of realistic, long-term goals
Item 14: Impulsivity
Item 15: Irresponsibility
Item 16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
Item 17: Many short-term marital relationships
Item 18: Juvenile delinquency
Item 19: Revocation of conditional release
Item 20: Criminal versatility


JI7

(92,778 posts)
21. Couldn't it be both ? Is embarrassed different from humiliation ?
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 07:02 PM
Sunday

Like when Obama made fun of Trump at that dinner. He felt embarrassed or humiliated and got angry as a result ?

There are people who might first feel one way and then be angry over it.

kimbutgar

(26,231 posts)
23. One also has to has a conscience to be humiliated
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 07:19 PM
Sunday

And that is a trait the tuckfrump has never had in his lifetime!

GenThePerservering

(3,132 posts)
24. Oh, he feels humiliated
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 07:38 PM
Sunday

when he's not worshipped. It's all black and white to him, and that prick of humiliation leads instantly to rage.

llmart

(16,952 posts)
30. I don't think he was humiliated.
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 08:33 PM
Sunday

I think he thought they were laughing because he made a joke. They went on to clap for him and that's what he thrives on. I can't believe they clapped for him either. That just emboldens him.

True Dough

(24,735 posts)
33. Made a joke?
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 09:14 PM
Sunday

The line that elicited the laughter was Trump claiming that his administration had accomplished more in two years than almost any administration in the history of the country.

That wasn't intended as humor.

Maru Kitteh

(30,806 posts)
27. I can think of one time
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 08:10 PM
Sunday




But that’s the only time that comes to mind. I think actual humiliation for him is anything he thinks his dad would disapprove strongly of, that would make his dad say he looked like a loser, specifically. That seems to be the only thing approximating a conscience he ever had.

pandr32

(13,501 posts)
40. Obama frosted him. He wasn't humiliated.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 01:12 PM
11 hrs ago

He marked that moment--the moment a black man was bold enough to heckle him in public. He would make sure he made Obama pay for his perceived lack of respect.

GopherGal

(2,640 posts)
31. My (faint) hope is that seeing him humiliated
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 08:33 PM
Sunday

will puncture the bubble of invincibility that his moronic slavering followers seem to see around their god-emperor.

Unfortunately, their extreme and unreasoning identification with the stinking sack of shortcomings just seems to cause them to somehow add it to their list of grievances against the hated "elites"

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,895 posts)
32. Krasnov believes he is never wrong & therefore he
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 08:48 PM
Sunday

cannot be humiliated. He never apologizes. Any mistakes are other people’s fault. Any cruelty Krasnov has inflicted upon others is that person’s fault. He said that all his business corruption is fine because that’s how business works. I would consider Krasnov a monster.

Grammy23

(6,056 posts)
34. If tRump was a normal human being capable of feeling shame or embarrassment --
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 09:17 PM
Sunday

He’d be humiliated. Red faced and shamed. But he will not feel any of those things. As pointed out, he gets a belly full of rage and anger and vents his spleen openly. In the privacy of the office or private quarters in the WH, we’d probably get a
shocking taste of the depth of his rage. But we won’t be privy to that scene. What we’ll get is descriptions from those who’ve seen him melt down or psychiatrists can describe his tantrums.

Years from now, there will be books that reveal it all. The lengths he will go to seek revenge will be spelled out. We shouldn’t be shocked to find out that he is perhaps a murderous psychopath…..who gets other people to carry out his vicious wishes. And he keeps his hands clean but gleefully watches it unfold.

Just my arm chair psychologist prediction….

speak easy

(12,443 posts)
35. Yeah.
Sun Oct 12, 2025, 09:26 PM
Sunday

When he’s dead, maybe the full horror will be told.

Still, how can you feel humiliated if you’re never wrong, never in the wrong, only wronged. That is Trump in a nutshell.

appleannie1

(5,358 posts)
38. You have to have normal human feelings to be humiliated. He has none.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 12:46 PM
12 hrs ago

Somewhere around the age of 3 his development stopped. He is like a 3 year old that lays on the floor kicking his feet if he does not get his own way.

Torchlight

(5,851 posts)
42. A tantrum is a tantrum, regardless of its source.
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 01:25 PM
11 hrs ago

Tantrums are often just the visible end-product of internal bruising, whether self-acknowledged or not.

eppur_se_muova

(40,300 posts)
43. A trait he shares with almost all of his Cabinet of Curiosities, and the Dunning-Kruger Caucus in the House. nt
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 02:15 PM
10 hrs ago

pat_k

(12,035 posts)
44. Psychopaths do feel shame -- but not "normal" shame
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 04:42 PM
8 hrs ago

Google AI provided a halfway decent explanation.

Psychopaths experience a deep shame, but it stems from their own perceived weaknesses, not from harming others. Unlike typical shame, which arises from violating social norms, their shame is triggered when they are exposed as vulnerable, weak, or helpless, or when they fail to achieve a goal. Research suggests this shame is linked to their psychopathic traits, especially when their facade of power and control is threatened.

What causes this shame?

Exposure of weakness: Psychopaths feel shame when their carefully constructed image of power and control is shattered, revealing vulnerability, desperation, or helplessness.

Failure: They experience shame and anger when they fail to achieve a goal, especially if it makes them look weak or incompetent.

Lack of accountability: Their shame is not for the harm they cause, but for being caught or failing, which they may then project onto others by blaming them.

How this differs from typical shame

Typical shame: In most people, shame is a reaction to violating moral or social standards, leading to remorse for hurting others.

Psychopathic shame: A psychopath's shame is a self-focused emotion related to their own perceived failures and vulnerabilities, not empathy for their victims.

Other emotional responses

Lack of guilt for harming others: Psychopaths do not feel guilt or shame for hurting others; instead, they may rationalize their actions.

Fear and anger: They fear being exposed by people who are mentally stronger than they are or who they cannot control, which can lead to anger.

Emotional suffering: Despite their often-unempathetic nature, psychopaths can experience emotional pain from things like separation, divorce, or dissatisfaction with their own actions.

speak easy

(12,443 posts)
45. Do not rely on AI slop
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 05:15 PM
7 hrs ago

A review of the literature tells a different story
Shame coping and psychopathy:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047235221000659

For example
Indeed, the empirical evidence linking psychopathy and the experience of shame has been mixed,

1.1. Shame and psychopathy
Negative emotions, and shame in particular, are of great relevance for theory and clinical work in forensic psychology and criminal justice, as they have been linked – theoretically and empirically – with aggression and antisociality, including recidivism (Baumeister and Lobbestael, 2011; DeLisi and Vaughn, 2014; Garofalo and Velotti, 2017; Tangney et al., 2011a; Tangney et al., 2011b; Tangney et al., 2014). Shame is defined as a self-conscious emotion arising from an individual's perception that something indecorous, dishonorable, and essentially wrong characterizes the self (e.g., “I am a bad person”; see Tangney et al., 2007). From a developmental perspective, shame proneness has been connected with the early experience of abuse and neglect (Schimmenti, 2012), which in turn have been linked to psychopathic traits (Blonigen et al., 2012; Craparo et al., 2013; Dargis et al., 2015). In contrast to the long-standing belief that psychopathic individuals are devoid of emotions, accumulating empirical evidence suggests that psychopathic traits are in fact related with increased levels of some negative emotions (most notably, anger and contempt) as well as with reduced experience of positive emotions, such as happiness (Garofalo et al., 2019; Hoppenbrouwers et al., 2016; Kosson et al., 2016; Spantidaki Kyriazi et al., 2021).

With regard to shame, early accounts posited that psychopathy is characterized by attenuated experience of shame (Cleckley, 1941; McCord and McCord, 1964; Meloy, 1988; Millon, 1981). Cleckley (1941), for example, wrote that “Whether judged in the light of his conduct, of his attitude, or of material elicited in psychiatric examination, he shows almost no sense of shame” (p. 389). This assumption rested on indirect or anecdotal evidence, that is, on the basis of the callous, manipulative, and aggressive behavior that would be difficult to reconcile with the experience of shame. Yet, the previously cited literature that has accumulated linking shame and externalizing behavior broadly construed challenges this traditional view. While it is plausible that psychopathic individuals do not experience shame in response to their criminal or otherwise antisocial behavior (e.g., Mossière et al., 2020), extending this to assume that psychopathic individuals do not experience shame at all may not be warranted. Indeed, the empirical evidence linking psychopathy and the experience of shame has been mixed, with more consistent, positive associations between the behavioral (lifestyle and antisocial) traits of psychopathy and shame, and less consistent associations in different directions between the interpersonal and affective traits of psychopathy and shame (Lanciano and Curci, 2019; Lyons, 2015; Morrison and Gilbert, 2001; Spice et al., 2015).

pat_k

(12,035 posts)
46. I evaluated against my knowledge, which is admittedly from the 1990's
Mon Oct 13, 2025, 06:39 PM
6 hrs ago

I appreciate the literature review.

I posted the AI summary, not as some definitive source, but because it was aligned with what I picked up as a grad student in the Clinical Psychology, Ph.D. program at Rutgers in the early 1990's (left for a job in IT after a couple years).

I should have looked deeper.

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