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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump does not get humiliated.
He gets angry, incandescently angry, blaming everyone but himself. Video clickbait titles saying Trump was humiliated are ridiculous. That would require a degree of self awareness and self criticism which are absent in the psychopathic monster that he is. A defining feature of psychopaths is that they have no empathy nor guilt, nor shame let alone remorse. Trump is never wrong, never in the wrong, only wronged. Humiliation is nowhere in his reptile brain.

paleotn
(21,017 posts)Laughing at him and treating him like he's a second rate nobody pushes his.
speak easy
(12,443 posts)triggers rage, not humiliation.
electric_blue68
(24,276 posts)returnee
(695 posts)The moment he experiences it he responds with rage. This is why he is referred to as thin-skinned.
UTUSN
(76,024 posts)mentally collapsing he is daily, how he ran off from a press conference, how physically deteriorated he is, how yesterday/today/tomorrow he is in imminent explosion - then, there he is on the screen, yes babbling his b.s., but not being collapsed. He must be pumped on drugs, but there there there without being gone.
ms liberty
(10,696 posts)Tom Dyer
(279 posts)surfered
(9,734 posts)3auld6phart
(1,640 posts)He definitely is a hard core narcissist mysoginnist piece of excrement
not even taking a shit on
Cirsium
(2,995 posts)Most of the videos feature no more than someone regurgitating stories from various news outlets, with little or no analysis, nothing new or interesting. It is manipulative and dishonest. It is counterproductive. They are grifting off of the people who are already opposed to Trump and MAGA.
People are profiteering from this unfolding humanitarian crisis. It is depraved.
Bernardo de La Paz
(59,499 posts)Cirsium
(2,995 posts)It makes me wonder if they are really allies, or if they are just opportunists.
BattleRow
(1,899 posts)calimary
(88,062 posts)Whaddya do when that labels still true?
How is the "humiliated" label true when it's also true that the man lacks humility and shame?
How can they both be true at the same time?
calimary
(88,062 posts)every time he opens his mouth.
At least for me.
Cirsium
(2,995 posts)Most of the video titles rep[reset wishful thinking, and people lap it up. It is a con.
ancianita
(42,277 posts)even knowing it or feeling it. Sometimes what humiliates one person only enrages another -- it depends on whether or not they have a functioning conscience. You have one. But does he?
Escape
(298 posts)People who think Trump is stressed, frustrated or scared, are probably not understanding who (and what) he really is.
He has spent his entire life cheating people, lying, stealing, blaming and ridiculing.....He has spent the last 50 years in courtrooms losing legal battles.
He doesn't know anything else. He doesn't know or care anything about fairness, compassion or compromise and he has never experienced guilt or remorse.
He's an ugly, cold-hearted empty suit.
When he rants incoherently at 2:00 in the morning, he's not hurting, or crying out for help. He's celebrating. He's thrilled to be hurting people. It's what makes him tick.
He is a very confident and very content...... monster.
AverageOldGuy
(3,052 posts)Doc Holliday: A man like Ringo has got a great big hole, right in the middle of him. He can never kill enough, or steal enough, or inflict enough pain to ever fill it.
Wyatt Earp: What does he need?
Doc Holliday: Revenge.
Wyatt Earp: For what?
Doc Holliday: Bein' born.
Joinfortmill
(19,155 posts)does not necessarily mean they feel humiliated.
Bev54
(12,953 posts)bmichaelh
(1,001 posts)Has there ever been one person in Trump's life that went to him and said: "You have problems and need professional help"
If they did, he or she would be an enemy of life to Trump.
Not sure at this point it would do much good.
It appears he is combining psychopathy and dementia.
He blamed "BIden's FBI" for January 6th when he and his FBI director were in charge and there was still 2 weeks before Biden took the oath of office.
He fits most of the following checklist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_Checklist
Item 1: Glibness/superficial charm
Item 2: Grandiose sense of self-worth
Item 3: Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
Item 4: Pathological lying
Item 5: Conning/manipulative
Item 6: Lack of remorse or guilt
Item 7: Shallow affect
Item 8: Callous/lack of empathy
Item 9: Parasitic lifestyle
Item 10: Poor behavioral controls
Item 11: Promiscuous sexual behavior
Item 12: Early behavior problems
Item 13: Lack of realistic, long-term goals
Item 14: Impulsivity
Item 15: Irresponsibility
Item 16: Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
Item 17: Many short-term marital relationships
Item 18: Juvenile delinquency
Item 19: Revocation of conditional release
Item 20: Criminal versatility
JI7
(92,778 posts)Like when Obama made fun of Trump at that dinner. He felt embarrassed or humiliated and got angry as a result ?
There are people who might first feel one way and then be angry over it.
kimbutgar
(26,231 posts)And that is a trait the tuckfrump has never had in his lifetime!
GenThePerservering
(3,132 posts)when he's not worshipped. It's all black and white to him, and that prick of humiliation leads instantly to rage.
iemanja
(56,929 posts)True Dough
(24,735 posts)I believe he was also humiliated here:
llmart
(16,952 posts)I think he thought they were laughing because he made a joke. They went on to clap for him and that's what he thrives on. I can't believe they clapped for him either. That just emboldens him.
True Dough
(24,735 posts)The line that elicited the laughter was Trump claiming that his administration had accomplished more in two years than almost any administration in the history of the country.
That wasn't intended as humor.
Maru Kitteh
(30,806 posts)
But thats the only time that comes to mind. I think actual humiliation for him is anything he thinks his dad would disapprove strongly of, that would make his dad say he looked like a loser, specifically. That seems to be the only thing approximating a conscience he ever had.
pandr32
(13,501 posts)He marked that moment--the moment a black man was bold enough to heckle him in public. He would make sure he made Obama pay for his perceived lack of respect.
The Mouth
(3,396 posts)GopherGal
(2,640 posts)will puncture the bubble of invincibility that his moronic slavering followers seem to see around their god-emperor.
Unfortunately, their extreme and unreasoning identification with the stinking sack of shortcomings just seems to cause them to somehow add it to their list of grievances against the hated "elites"
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,895 posts)cannot be humiliated. He never apologizes. Any mistakes are other peoples fault. Any cruelty Krasnov has inflicted upon others is that persons fault. He said that all his business corruption is fine because thats how business works. I would consider Krasnov a monster.
Grammy23
(6,056 posts)Hed be humiliated. Red faced and shamed. But he will not feel any of those things. As pointed out, he gets a belly full of rage and anger and vents his spleen openly. In the privacy of the office or private quarters in the WH, wed probably get a
shocking taste of the depth of his rage. But we wont be privy to that scene. What well get is descriptions from those whove seen him melt down or psychiatrists can describe his tantrums.
Years from now, there will be books that reveal it all. The lengths he will go to seek revenge will be spelled out. We shouldnt be shocked to find out that he is perhaps a murderous psychopath ..who gets other people to carry out his vicious wishes. And he keeps his hands clean but gleefully watches it unfold.
Just my arm chair psychologist prediction .

When hes dead, maybe the full horror will be told.
Still, how can you feel humiliated if youre never wrong, never in the wrong, only wronged. That is Trump in a nutshell.
demosincebirth
(12,797 posts)appleannie1
(5,358 posts)Somewhere around the age of 3 his development stopped. He is like a 3 year old that lays on the floor kicking his feet if he does not get his own way.
pandr32
(13,501 posts)He is a psychopath without doubt.
themaguffin
(4,736 posts)Torchlight
(5,851 posts)Tantrums are often just the visible end-product of internal bruising, whether self-acknowledged or not.
eppur_se_muova
(40,300 posts)pat_k
(12,035 posts)Google AI provided a halfway decent explanation.
What causes this shame?
Exposure of weakness: Psychopaths feel shame when their carefully constructed image of power and control is shattered, revealing vulnerability, desperation, or helplessness.
Failure: They experience shame and anger when they fail to achieve a goal, especially if it makes them look weak or incompetent.
Lack of accountability: Their shame is not for the harm they cause, but for being caught or failing, which they may then project onto others by blaming them.
How this differs from typical shame
Typical shame: In most people, shame is a reaction to violating moral or social standards, leading to remorse for hurting others.
Psychopathic shame: A psychopath's shame is a self-focused emotion related to their own perceived failures and vulnerabilities, not empathy for their victims.
Other emotional responses
Lack of guilt for harming others: Psychopaths do not feel guilt or shame for hurting others; instead, they may rationalize their actions.
Fear and anger: They fear being exposed by people who are mentally stronger than they are or who they cannot control, which can lead to anger.
Emotional suffering: Despite their often-unempathetic nature, psychopaths can experience emotional pain from things like separation, divorce, or dissatisfaction with their own actions.
speak easy
(12,443 posts)A review of the literature tells a different story
Shame coping and psychopathy:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047235221000659
For example
Indeed, the empirical evidence linking psychopathy and the experience of shame has been mixed,
Negative emotions, and shame in particular, are of great relevance for theory and clinical work in forensic psychology and criminal justice, as they have been linked theoretically and empirically with aggression and antisociality, including recidivism (Baumeister and Lobbestael, 2011; DeLisi and Vaughn, 2014; Garofalo and Velotti, 2017; Tangney et al., 2011a; Tangney et al., 2011b; Tangney et al., 2014). Shame is defined as a self-conscious emotion arising from an individual's perception that something indecorous, dishonorable, and essentially wrong characterizes the self (e.g., I am a bad person; see Tangney et al., 2007). From a developmental perspective, shame proneness has been connected with the early experience of abuse and neglect (Schimmenti, 2012), which in turn have been linked to psychopathic traits (Blonigen et al., 2012; Craparo et al., 2013; Dargis et al., 2015). In contrast to the long-standing belief that psychopathic individuals are devoid of emotions, accumulating empirical evidence suggests that psychopathic traits are in fact related with increased levels of some negative emotions (most notably, anger and contempt) as well as with reduced experience of positive emotions, such as happiness (Garofalo et al., 2019; Hoppenbrouwers et al., 2016; Kosson et al., 2016; Spantidaki Kyriazi et al., 2021).
With regard to shame, early accounts posited that psychopathy is characterized by attenuated experience of shame (Cleckley, 1941; McCord and McCord, 1964; Meloy, 1988; Millon, 1981). Cleckley (1941), for example, wrote that Whether judged in the light of his conduct, of his attitude, or of material elicited in psychiatric examination, he shows almost no sense of shame (p. 389). This assumption rested on indirect or anecdotal evidence, that is, on the basis of the callous, manipulative, and aggressive behavior that would be difficult to reconcile with the experience of shame. Yet, the previously cited literature that has accumulated linking shame and externalizing behavior broadly construed challenges this traditional view. While it is plausible that psychopathic individuals do not experience shame in response to their criminal or otherwise antisocial behavior (e.g., Mossière et al., 2020), extending this to assume that psychopathic individuals do not experience shame at all may not be warranted. Indeed, the empirical evidence linking psychopathy and the experience of shame has been mixed, with more consistent, positive associations between the behavioral (lifestyle and antisocial) traits of psychopathy and shame, and less consistent associations in different directions between the interpersonal and affective traits of psychopathy and shame (Lanciano and Curci, 2019; Lyons, 2015; Morrison and Gilbert, 2001; Spice et al., 2015).
pat_k
(12,035 posts)I appreciate the literature review.
I posted the AI summary, not as some definitive source, but because it was aligned with what I picked up as a grad student in the Clinical Psychology, Ph.D. program at Rutgers in the early 1990's (left for a job in IT after a couple years).
I should have looked deeper.