Any Talk About A Civil War Should have A Unified Message

[gab13by13]

The Poor vs the Rich. We will gladly take in any rich who want to fight with us.

The billionaires want us to fight among ourselves, to kill each other, fuck them.

Taking away our healthcare is like saying, "Let them eat cake."

All we need is enough unwashed Magats to get on board. The majority of people on Medicaid, Obamacare, SNAP are unwashed Magats.

[Fiendish Thingy]

1. Nuclear powers don't have civil wars.

Plenty of real life challenges and evils to face without resorting to dystopian hyperbole.

[Maru Kitteh]

3. The dissolved states of the Soviet Union seem to be having some disagreements.

So there’s that.

[berkerly6240]

4. Ukrainians would say they were never a "state" of the Soviet Union..

there was coercion involved in that. Secondly what is going on between them is NOT a civil war.

Also they do not have nuclear weapons.

[stopdiggin]

9. and Ukraine is no longer a nuclear state -(nt)-

[Fiendish Thingy]

13. None of them have nukes. Nt

[berkerly6240]

2. I dont understand your message.. alot to unpack here..

You seem to want Civil war between Rich and poor? Don't think that is called a Civil War.

You calling poor people "unwashed" is an elitist style term or you just Magats that are poor are unwashed?

If Magats lose their healthcare maybe they will come to the correct side of thinking and calling them magats probably wont assist in any type alliance..

[Jack Valentino]

6. Their reps calling us 'far left terrorists' doesn't assist in any type of 'alliance' either....

[berkerly6240]

8. Agreed but I dont think the poster proposing this alliance is their rep..

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[H2O Man]

11. It would seem

rather unlikely that any finding of common ground will hinge on what a DUer posts. Even on the tiny, itty-bitty chance a maga who recognizes they have been betrayed by the felon-in-chief happen to read this, it likely won't hurt their feelings.

Any building of bridges that have positive potential will come from personal relationships between relatives, neighbors, friends, and/or co-workers, at the grass roots' level. That is something that no "leader" can deliver at this time -- or likely ever. It is up to us as human beings.

However, I think that even if some or all forum members started trying to build bridges, that it is not only okay, but even good to keep in mind that the DU community has long had the benefit of having harsh, cruel statements and rude, vicious jokes aimed at the opposition. It's good to blow off steam every now in then.

[LudwigPastorius]

5. The thing is,...

violent revolutions don't usually usher in a new system of love and equity.

When you talk about destruction, don't you know that you can count me out

[berkerly6240]

10. True.. I'm a combat vet who is far left but I am the rare exception..any dystopian type conflict will depend

these troop and they lean heavily RIGHT especially the young ones. It's crazy when I see our side call for violence/civil war and for the army to jump in because you are ignorantly wishing for your own destruction. Our movement only wins through discussion, convincing etc.

[stopdiggin]

7. talk about a 'civil war' should be quashed

and ridiculed for the ignorant and inexperienced nonsense that it is.

... and out of the same mouths that anguish and deplore the cruelties, injustice, suffering and horrors inflicted upon the poor and innocent in other conflicts ....

(and please do not sing me your tired old, "people are already suffering" mantra. not like in wartime they aren't! you have no idea what you are talking about!)

[W_HAMILTON]

12. We're well past the Poor vs the Rich stage -- we are at the pro-democracy vs fascists stage.

[Metaphorical]

14. There are many kinds of civil war

The secessionist civil war (and for that matter the revolutionary war) were aberrations in that regard in that there were clear sides, and declarations essentially that one part of the Union (the South in the case of the CW, the American Colonists in the case of the Revolutionary War) were essentially no longer recognizing the authority of their unifying country.

What we have going on here is much uglier. It is a fascist coup in which one political party has taken over all the reins of power and are now consolidating their position. The West here does not really want to leave the Union, but increasingly they are realizing that the union itself is effectively disintegrating (in the broadest sense of the word) as outer regions are being targeted for control.

I think at one point there was a class dynamic at play, but I don't think that's really what's happening here (at least not completely). Instead, what you're seeing is the deliberate destruction of government (a la 1930s Germany) and the suppression of opposition. When one side no longer recognizes the established laws as being valid, then you are in effect in a civil war.