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dalton99a
(91,514 posts)
Attilatheblond
(8,026 posts)You know that this statement, reputedly was said by Pete Hegseth, not RFK, jr., right?
Don't misunderstand..I think this idea, like that of Junior heading up the HHS in itself, is horrible..I just feel it's important we keep facts straight. 
slightlv
(7,229 posts)Who are they to make ANY binding rules?
E. Normus
(111 posts)Health and Human Services.
slightlv
(7,229 posts)That's not HHS... that's police enforcement/military enforcement under HLS. Or is this one of the guys tasked with multiple departments thanks to orange aid not being able to find enough low lifes?
whathehell
(30,323 posts)which is the Dept of Health and Human Services.
slightlv
(7,229 posts)who I call kegsbreath by rights of his being an alcoholic. Kegsbreath isn't part of HHS... which *should* be RFK and his irresponsible bunch. But kegsbreaths name was mentioned... and I didn't think he had anything to do with health OR human services, other than throwing people out of the country.
Main point should be we not only have to get trump out of office... we have to completely demolish everything he has done, replace what he's stripped, and start trials on treason for a whole LOT of people. Either that, or find yourself a nice little country to retire to, if you have the money. Or find out what awaits in the next life, if you don't. 
whathehell
(30,323 posts)I realized that you were correct -- I'd sent my response to the wrong poster..My bad.
IbogaProject
(5,505 posts)Like the old children's toy with the overlay outfits on people. Are RFK Jr's actions significantly less "lethal" than Major Keg'sBreath? I'd wager until we are in a active war, RFK's and Cheetolini's disbanding of USaid have both caused more excess death than our Military has as of now.
whathehell
(30,323 posts)to frame the statement..That makes it false attribution.
IbogaProject
(5,505 posts)Thank you
whathehell
(30,323 posts)Non-defensive replies around here can be rare, so I appreciate them.
markodochartaigh
(4,788 posts)I have it straight. Hagueseth is over the Department of War which is in charge of killing people outside of the US, and RFK is over the HHS which is in charge of killing people inside the US.
Ilsa
(63,702 posts)hasten their deaths, make Donald happy again.
B.See
(7,545 posts)gives a damn about nursing homes. He can't drop dead soon enough for my druthers.
Maru Kitteh
(31,111 posts)I won’t be a part of killing off the vulnerable and elderly on purpose. Unnecessary deaths already happen. Neglect as a policy will bring the logical outcome of expanding that number into a state-powered atrocity.
Hugin
(37,242 posts)Hopefully those are followed.
Prairie Gates
(7,007 posts)and investors who have taken giant stakes in the nursing home business. Unsatisfied with the massive profits they already draw down from nursing homes, they want to reduce the labor costs (for which they pay mostly minimum wage and slightly above) in order to pull even more profit from these places.
The Trump administration is doing the bidding of the owners and managers, who are those "nice" people you meet who go over the cost structure with you when you move your aging parent or loved one into one of these facilities. Through the smiles, those people are scraping for every last dime, even if it means that your parent is at greater risk of falling, of laying in their own fluids, of eating filthy food, of dying before their time.
Look into the way private equity has taken over the senior care industry. They're coming for every last dime.
CousinIT
(12,111 posts)....the hospital system, the education system, the pharmaceutical industry, and the housing system.
NOW they are running our government: IRS, SSA, FAA, etc. Eventually, all of our government will be turned over to them to make private equity billionaires LOTS of profit.
The costs of running government services and agencies Americans rely on will skyrocket due to the new profit motive, and the services Americans pay for and deserve will be ABYSMAL, insecure, fraudulent, and error-prone.
THAT is what's going on right now, mainly behind the scenes. We'll only find out about it when we notice services we rely on are enshittified or gone, and after the Republicans are no longer in power - IF that ever happens.
I think Americans have no idea yet how fucked they genuinely are.
PRIVATIZING the entire government for private, corporate profit has been the Republican wet dream for DECADES. They are making it a reality right now.
leftstreet
(38,637 posts)popsdenver
(1,314 posts)and nursing places, are merely "warehousing"...........absolute minimum staffing with minimum pay. A little bit better during the working day, but at night and on weekends, they turn into an absolute house of horrors.
At one point in the recent past, here in Colorado, we had a Republican Governor named Owens......and there was a man and his wife that owned hundreds of nursing homes here in Colorado. The State of Colorado had a couple of thousand nursing homes that all needed to be inspected by the state. This man and his wife gave huge campaign donations to Owens. There were a paltry four inspectors for all those nursing homes, and after the donation, Owens reduced the inspectors to just two for the entire state...............
I saw a recent article about how the Private Equity Corporations have suddenly realized a whole new business worthy of invading, that has huge profit centers, just ripe for the picking...........privately owned and operated Hospices
Iris
(16,811 posts)
MineralMan
(150,436 posts)Visit that person frequently and regularly. That is the best assurance that your loved one will be helped on a regular basis. People working in those facilities notice when you visit. They do not want complaints and reports of poor care. Sadly, it is those who get visits who get the best care available in any facility. Those who have been forgotten by family do not get the best care.
It should not be that way, but it is. Don't assume that someone under care is getting the care they deserve. Go there frequently and see that they are getting care. If not, speak up. Insist on it.
moonscape
(5,621 posts)my mom with alz until the last 9 months of her life. Makes me terrified of ending up in one since I don’t have a caregiver as I was for her. Exiting altogether is my plan.
Adding: a friend who’s 90 yo is a retired nurse. She stays in shape and does 2-min planks every morning, motivated solely she said to stay out of nursing homes because she has seen too much,
slightlv
(7,229 posts)scary as hell, isn't it? I cared for my mom for 2 years in our home. But when she couldn't recognize my husband any longer, and had a number of falls which necessitated calling for help to get her off the floor, I knew she'd gone beyond how I could help. Plus, she called EMS to go to the hospital with imagined pains so many times, I got notice she wasn't going to be able to do that much more unless we paid in full for those costs. In addition, she'd gotten violent and belligerent (like trump) in her dementia. It was heartbreaking.
We had a weekend to find a memory care home for her. The one we found was too far for me to visit every day, but we went up often and made sure she was a part of all holidays, birthdays, etc. We were bringing her back home for day visits when we realized she was too far gone, and we needed to bring the parties to her, instead. I lost her a few days before my birthday this year.
I don't have anyone here who can serve as a caregiver for me. I'm taking care of my husband, who at times can be just as big a handful as my mom ever was! LOL. but me? My daughter is a narcissist who knows everyone in the family has said to get out from the guy she's living with before he kills her. She won't have anything to do with any of us since then. The only thing my daughter would do would be whatever was best for her and not caring at all about anything else.
I've pretty much assumed when it comes time I'm free of my hubby needing me, and I can feel myself getting worse, that I'd work hard to save up some of my pain meds and take myself out that way. It's the only way forward I can see...
OldBaldy1701E
(9,799 posts)There will be no one around to advocate for myself once I get too far gone.
I do not plan to wait that long.
Hey Joe
(346 posts)Every fucking thing this bunch of ghouls does is to hurt, injure, impede or destroy people and their chances of having any kind of quality of life.
I swear they want most of us dead to Hoover up all of the property and wealth.
Their blood lust is palpable at this point.
Prairie Gates
(7,007 posts)patphil
(8,599 posts)It was deliberate dehumanization of large numbers of people, for the purpose of justifying their elimination.
Pinback
(13,476 posts)“Non-Player Characters” are the equivalent of extras in a movie scene or supernumeraries in an opera or ballet, the characters that are basically just part of the scenery. That’s how many of today’s tech and business moguls see the vast majority of us these days.
spanone
(140,845 posts)Maru Kitteh
(31,111 posts)their own profit and entertainment.This is not unrelated to:
1) For profit prisons
2) Privatization of schools and eliminating standards
3) The recent calls from billionaires for things like a return to public executions
4) The proliferation of Curtis Yarvin’s ideals into mainstream politics and policy.
leftstreet
(38,637 posts)
applegrove
(129,613 posts)
Biophilic
(6,352 posts)Nursing homes and rehab centers have large populations of immigrants staffing them.
70sEraVet
(5,191 posts)Without the immigrants to staff the homes, the owners of the homes would be forced to close them down if they can't meet the minimum requirements. The answer -- get rid of the requirements.
There's ALWAYS a solution to a problem, when you don't care about the little people that are affected.
Biophilic
(6,352 posts)slightlv
(7,229 posts)it's the GREED... always the damned greed. When I have money, I willingly share it to pay forward the good that has been done for me at times. Of course, my "extra" may be $50-$100 at times. Most of the time, we're flat broke since hubby had his heart attack... too many medical bills and scans with high copays to be done. How do they expect someone on SS to pay $350 for a CTScan or an MRI? Honestly! I guess when it gets around to me, I'll die not knowing what was wrong.
Money is a response to the greed. It doesn't cause the greed... greed is an addiction, of which money is the drug.
Biophilic
(6,352 posts)
jfz9580m
(16,359 posts)Class warfare plain and simple..what parasites these oligarchs and their puppets are..
I wonder when Turner Diaries style he wants to take over everything. What happened to annexing Canada etc? Short attention span I guess..
Stuckinthebush
(11,191 posts)Still waiting to see when we get great again.
Beowulf42
(315 posts)Is its own reward.
Initech
(107,093 posts)
bronxiteforever
(11,022 posts)The GOP joined with the billionaire class to kill all useless citizens like Nazis doctrine.
llmart
(17,218 posts)Reagan emptied the mental health institutions and they got thrown out into the streets causing a huge surge in our homeless population. Newt Gingrich wanted to channeled Scrooge by wanting to bring back orphanages. Their party has been this cruel for decades.
Scalded Nun
(1,578 posts)bucolic_frolic
(53,597 posts)Orthopedics is a growth industry.
Beck23
(405 posts)Wiz Imp
(8,472 posts)orangecrush
(27,835 posts)
undergrounddemsunite
(14 posts)His pocket! Screw everyone else. If it doesn't serve him one way, he gets rid of it. It's pure greed!
hay rick
(9,269 posts)Stephen Feinberg was a founder of Cerberus Capital Management which is a major investor in nursing homes and other healthcare properties. He is now a pro-Russian Deputy Secretary of Defense.
I suspect Feinberg is just the tip of this particular iceberg.
Figarosmom
(9,388 posts)They blame for her diaper being so full of shit and piss it's leaking on the floor as they push her wheelchair to the lounge? Or she falls in the shower and lays there for hours before anyone finds her? Or she wanders away outside and freezes to death or found miles away?
hadEnuf
(3,492 posts)
Martin68
(26,811 posts)He always sides with the predatory capitalist against the vulnerable, needy customer. He is a vile human being. Poetic justice would have him end up penniless in the worst assisted living care possible.
bluestarone
(20,975 posts)THIS should be a huge campaign slogan come 2026!!
William Seger
(12,119 posts)Fucking fuckwads are fucking up every fucking thing they can get their fucking hands on! Who paid, and how much, for this bullshit?!
Torchlight
(6,239 posts)Defense, Education, Welfare, Law, etc. being a few others. Once profit becomes the goal, the original goals become subservient and tertiary if not irrelevant.
Silent Type
(12,287 posts)midterms.
The "new" rules from 2024:
https://www.chcs.org/what-to-know-about-nursing-home-staffing-minimums/
C_U_L8R
(48,684 posts)What fuckers.
Vinca
(53,129 posts)
Irish_Dem
(78,729 posts)
yellow dahlia
(4,126 posts)When are they gonna run out of things to break? They find them all.
TomSlick
(12,839 posts)Too many nursing homes staff at the minimum levels allowed by Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) and will rush to cut the number of employees.
Old people will be left laying in their own urine and feces and will develop bedsores. Medications will not be given on time - if at all. Old people will die.
I suspect that money has changed hands.
summer_in_TX
(3,973 posts)My friend's dad broke his hip in a fall. After the surgery and initial recovery he went to a nursing home in my town. It took a week before a wound care specialist looked at his bedsores that he had arrived with. They told his daughter he had dementia, but couldn't prove he actually had it by referring to any test. (He seemed quite lucid in our visits.)
He kept losing weight, no appetite, had trouble keeping food down.
When he declared he wanted to be moved to another facility, that evening they started him on a new medication that they claimed was to help his loss of appetite. When I read up, it caused passivity and brain fog. Some people's appetite did improve, but mostly not. He did a medical power of attorney naming her, but they refused to honor it.
He developed pneumonia while there. Someone told the daughter, but others denied it. Only when he went to have his sutures out did someone finally document the pneumonia and they finally moved him to a hospital. His daughter made very sure he didn't go back there.
Shockingly I am in agreement with the daughter that they were determined to keep him there for the insurance and medicare payments, against his best interests and against his will and his daughter's.
love_katz
(3,186 posts)Women are more likely to end up in nursing homes because we usually live longer than men. And women are more likely to be the care givers and staff in a nursing home.
The brutality, the cruelty, and the endless greed are the point.
usaf-vet
(7,736 posts)to eventually get our greedy hands on those dollars.
We don't need the seniors, WE WANT THEIR money.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(24,540 posts)... that's higher than the federal floor.
travelingthrulife
(4,100 posts)Just like all those cases prosecutors on which have worked their asses off being thrown out with his pardons.
tblue37
(67,905 posts)
Dear_Prudence
(986 posts)I was a nurses aid, for a few years, fifty years ago. After that experience, I decided not to go into the field of medicine. Staffing at the home was tight, too tight. I failed residents, I still remember some incidents, but the task was beyond what is humanly possible. Yes, I did hold the hand of a woman moaning in pain because the morphine was not enough to erase the pain of her terminal cancer. But another day I forgot that I had wheeled Tom, a paranoid schizophrenic wheel chair-bound resident, out on the front porch. I was flying around, taking care of too many residents, getting them to dinner, spoon feeding some. When I finally remembered Tom, he was chilled, upset, and late for dinner. It was horrible. But instead of launching into his near-constant, loud, angry, paranoid rant of "You are trying to poison me", Tom forgave me. I'll never forget that moment of grace, his voice, his humanity shining through his disease and through my failure. But it should never have happened and, given how cold Colorado gets after sundown, it could have ended in tragedy. There needs to be Congressional hearings that explain what happens when staff are overwhelmed and patients are neglected. The impacts are staggering.
