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Ocelot II

(130,145 posts)
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 11:09 AM 6 hrs ago

So I just got this email from an in-law:

Subject line: "Glad i left 26 yrs ago"
"What a shit hole, Mn has become. A real shame," with links to racist and false YouTube videos about Somalis.

I haven't spoken to this nasty old bat in those 26 years since she moved to Arkansas, and I don't know why she sent me this crap. She said years ago that she moved to AR to get away from high taxes and black people. What upsets me that this rhymes-with-witch is married to an actual relative with whom I am on good terms, but who seems to be the original source of the YouTube links. My blood pressure went through the roof when I read it and my first impulse to respond with a comment like "I'm glad you left, too," with links to US News and Wallet Hub ranking the states (MN #4 vs. AR #44, https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings, and MN #5 vs. AR #48, https://wallethub.com/edu/best-states-to-live-in/62617), but I suspect that said nasty old bat is trying to stir the pot. I am deeply disappointed in the relative and angry at his nasty old bat wife but life is too short; I know that mine isn't the shit hole state, and my Somali neighbors are better people than she is. I deleted the email.






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So I just got this email from an in-law: (Original Post) Ocelot II 6 hrs ago OP
She got away from black people by moving to Arkansas? Norrrm 6 hrs ago #1
She's in the northern part of the state in a county that's about 1% minority. Ocelot II 6 hrs ago #2
Sundown town, eh? Norrrm 1 hr ago #39
Fraud is a crime and should be handled in a court of law Walleye 6 hrs ago #3
The fraud in question has been handled in court and a bunch of people Ocelot II 6 hrs ago #5
Well, it's stupid and Republican to blame all Somali refugees for crimes of a few Walleye 5 hrs ago #10
Those are two good facts. I'd send it. CrispyQ 6 hrs ago #4
I'm ignoring it, which will probably bug her more than any response I could provide. Ocelot II 6 hrs ago #7
Remember George Bernard Shaw Randomthought 5 hrs ago #23
You can't fix stupid. Katinfl 1 hr ago #40
Dear Ocelot UpInArms 6 hrs ago #6
Sorry, but your response was appropriate. pandr32 5 hrs ago #8
My final response was no response at all except to delete the email. Ocelot II 5 hrs ago #9
Being a void to her vindictive posts is a good choice IMO irisblue 5 hrs ago #12
Sometimes silence is the very best Fuck You. Ocelot II 5 hrs ago #14
You consider creating a file to transfer her hate screeds to? irisblue 5 hrs ago #20
Not worth the effort. He's probably lost now too. Ocelot II 5 hrs ago #21
I'm sorry for your disappointment. pandr32 5 hrs ago #13
The best choice! niyad 5 hrs ago #16
Based on my own life, Dear_Prudence 4 hrs ago #32
LOL popsdenver 4 hrs ago #33
If she ever asks you if you read the email, tell it it's probably in your Spam folder. nt Ilsa 4 hrs ago #35
You absolutely did the right thing. Katinfl 1 hr ago #41
Yes, don't feed the trolls BWdem4life 5 hrs ago #11
The trolls that should be fed the least are the ones you know. Ocelot II 5 hrs ago #15
Awwww, can't we feed them to the alligators? or to whatever lives in the bayous? niyad 5 hrs ago #17
Forget about it AverageOldGuy 5 hrs ago #18
I've done exactly that. This mean old troll isn't getting fed. Ocelot II 5 hrs ago #22
My advice in these situations is always - don't engage. Hit delete and go about your day. flashman13 5 hrs ago #19
I did. Ocelot II 5 hrs ago #28
Wouldn't a good response be Quanto Magnus 5 hrs ago #24
I have one like that. mn9driver 5 hrs ago #25
DO NOT RESPOND. If you respond she wins. 617Blue 5 hrs ago #26
I did not respond, for exactly that reason. Ocelot II 5 hrs ago #27
She should check the relative standard of living and education levels of Arkansas. vs MN viva la 5 hrs ago #29
Delete is your friend. Clouds Passing 5 hrs ago #30
I used to think that not responding to people like that was the correct thing to do, you know, the higher road but Escurumbele 4 hrs ago #31
It's really difficult to hear such stupidity from people you respected mdbl 4 hrs ago #34
Afraid I wouldn't have been able to restrain myself relayerbob 3 hrs ago #36
Smart move. AltairIV 3 hrs ago #37
There is no harm in sending her factual information like the rankings of MN vrs AR. I think we should be educating Maraya1969 2 hrs ago #38
Waste of time. Ocelot II 54 min ago #43
The GOP doesn't say things like, "It's a waste of time" and that is one of the reasons they keep their talking points. Maraya1969 39 min ago #44
This isn't political, it's personal and has nothing to do with the GOP's methods. Ocelot II 36 min ago #45
Reply with facts KT2000 1 hr ago #42
remind your in-laws of the facts. SleeplessinSoCal 21 min ago #46
My grandparents, parents and family have lived in MN for their entire lives (it is a well run state with decent people). waterwatcher123 10 min ago #47
Not responding was the correct choice. OldBaldy1701E 3 min ago #48

Walleye

(44,418 posts)
3. Fraud is a crime and should be handled in a court of law
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 11:15 AM
6 hrs ago

Not by some rando right wing Internet influencer. These gullible people will believe anything.

Ocelot II

(130,145 posts)
5. The fraud in question has been handled in court and a bunch of people
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 11:17 AM
6 hrs ago

were convicted. The ringleader of the fraud scheme is a White woman.

Walleye

(44,418 posts)
10. Well, it's stupid and Republican to blame all Somali refugees for crimes of a few
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 11:40 AM
5 hrs ago

And if crime is to be blamed on the governor, Greg Abbott has a lot to answer for

CrispyQ

(40,878 posts)
4. Those are two good facts. I'd send it.
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 11:15 AM
6 hrs ago

Maybe minus the "I'm glad you left, too," comment.

Ocelot II

(130,145 posts)
7. I'm ignoring it, which will probably bug her more than any response I could provide.
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 11:18 AM
6 hrs ago

There's no convincing people like that with actual facts.

Randomthought

(1,047 posts)
23. Remember George Bernard Shaw
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 12:11 PM
5 hrs ago

"Don't wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.
Delete and ignore

UpInArms

(54,698 posts)
6. Dear Ocelot
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 11:17 AM
6 hrs ago

With them, it is always projection

That is their shithole state, whether where they live or how they think, not yours

pandr32

(14,152 posts)
8. Sorry, but your response was appropriate.
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 11:33 AM
5 hrs ago

You could sign off with: "I look forward to not hearing from you and your vile nonsense again."
I'll bet most of us (including myself) have at least one relative or old friend who has taken a dark turn so I understand how it affects you. If someone like your two ever have a light bulb turn on in their heads/hearts I'm sure they will reach out to those who once mattered.

Ocelot II

(130,145 posts)
9. My final response was no response at all except to delete the email.
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 11:38 AM
5 hrs ago

I'm sure she wanted to get a rise out of me and I wasn't going to give her the satisfaction. I'm just deeply disappointed in my relative who was crazy enough to marry her.

irisblue

(37,295 posts)
20. You consider creating a file to transfer her hate screeds to?
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 12:06 PM
5 hrs ago

Just in case your blood relative smartens up?

pandr32

(14,152 posts)
13. I'm sorry for your disappointment.
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 11:48 AM
5 hrs ago

I hope you have other people who give you lift in your life. We also have this wonderful community.

Dear_Prudence

(1,151 posts)
32. Based on my own life,
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 12:51 PM
4 hrs ago

It is possible that your relative was unaware of the depth of her vile views when he married her. Or maybe she has become more vile over the years. Or they have a bond based on her cooking, sports, horse riding, or whatever. My own husband is not hateful, but he is deep into conspiracy crap, so we don't talk politics. He is highly educated, but irritable and not persuadable. Some 46 years ago, I never ssked him "Who shot Kennedy?" Back then, it was most important to me that he loved animals. He still does. So sometimes I share DU pet forum items with him, and he responds positively to those posts. I never ever share other DU content. Maybe your relative is similarly situated. I agree with your non-response to her ugly email. She is trying to stab you with her hat pin, but you have wisely remained out of her reach.

popsdenver

(2,094 posts)
33. LOL
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 12:51 PM
4 hrs ago

I would have said: Remember What Trump said repeatedly, in 2024: "I LOVE THE UN-EDUCATED"........

Ilsa

(64,200 posts)
35. If she ever asks you if you read the email, tell it it's probably in your Spam folder. nt
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 01:17 PM
4 hrs ago

Katinfl

(758 posts)
41. You absolutely did the right thing.
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 03:57 PM
1 hr ago

I had a family member try to engage me in a conversation I had no intention of getting into on FB. He is on the same side politically but then he got into religion (he’s an atheist, nothing wrong with that) and said I should be ashamed of my religion. That did it. I did not respond, just let him rant. He took down the thread the next day. No more contact.

AverageOldGuy

(3,684 posts)
18. Forget about it
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 12:00 PM
5 hrs ago

Don't reply. Remove her comment if you can.

When you wrestle with a pig, nothing is solved, you get very dirty, and the pig just loves it.

Quanto Magnus

(1,328 posts)
24. Wouldn't a good response be
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 12:12 PM
5 hrs ago

"Awwwww.... Bless your heart!"

Isn't that supposed to be some slight in the eyes of the fascists?

mn9driver

(4,842 posts)
25. I have one like that.
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 12:13 PM
5 hrs ago

We don’t communicate unless they are especially riled up by some
nasty right wing, racially tinged agitprop.

There is something about Race that is irresistible to these folks. It shuts down all of their critical thinking.

Ocelot II

(130,145 posts)
27. I did not respond, for exactly that reason.
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 12:19 PM
5 hrs ago

You see crap like that and you want to slap them down but you're just feeding a troll. The best fuck you is total silence.

viva la

(4,572 posts)
29. She should check the relative standard of living and education levels of Arkansas. vs MN
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 12:21 PM
5 hrs ago

But of course, none of that matters to her.

Escurumbele

(4,074 posts)
31. I used to think that not responding to people like that was the correct thing to do, you know, the higher road but
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 12:41 PM
4 hrs ago

I don't think that anymore. What I would have done in that case is to respond how you were planning to "I am glad you left too.", which in a way is polite, not abusive, but it will eat her up, and the best thing later is to delete all her future emails, so she is going to be left with your last comment, and bullies do not like that.

Anyway, one must do what our conscience, our instinct and feelings at the time tell us to do. You are a good person.

mdbl

(8,505 posts)
34. It's really difficult to hear such stupidity from people you respected
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 01:12 PM
4 hrs ago

That's why I don't talk to them anymore. I don't want to feel bad all day.

relayerbob

(7,410 posts)
36. Afraid I wouldn't have been able to restrain myself
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 01:38 PM
3 hrs ago

I wouldn't put forth the effort for the links, but the "I'm glad you left, too" part .... think I might have l blasted it out. Good self-control.

Maraya1969

(23,488 posts)
38. There is no harm in sending her factual information like the rankings of MN vrs AR. I think we should be educating
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 02:33 PM
2 hrs ago

these people. They obviously need it.

Ocelot II

(130,145 posts)
43. Waste of time.
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 04:37 PM
54 min ago

She's trolling, and the reason has nothing to do with facts. She wants me to feel defensive. Knowing how she has behaved in the past she just wants me to feel upset and angry. I refuse to engage.

Maraya1969

(23,488 posts)
44. The GOP doesn't say things like, "It's a waste of time" and that is one of the reasons they keep their talking points.
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 04:52 PM
39 min ago

I don't believe that a person who is trying to appear superior will not be affected by news that their state is at the bottom of the barrel. I've watched people be embarrassed by information about the groups they belong to that they think are so superior find out that they are not that at all.

That and why the Hell does the GOP continue to win when there is so much evidence that they are the losers? Because they stick together with their idiocy.

Ocelot II

(130,145 posts)
45. This isn't political, it's personal and has nothing to do with the GOP's methods.
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 04:55 PM
36 min ago

It's a person who's trying to upset me solely for personal reasons by trolling me with hateful political messages that she knows I would find offensive. I'm sure she knows Arkansas is ranked at the bottom but she doesn't care because she has enough money to live well. I do not feed trolls.

waterwatcher123

(506 posts)
47. My grandparents, parents and family have lived in MN for their entire lives (it is a well run state with decent people).
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 05:21 PM
10 min ago

My suggestion would be to find that clip of Walz where he mentions people minding their own dam business and send it without comment. She might have an epiphany that it is the same message many of us used to get from our parents.

I used to work in state government trying to conjure up ways to get people to protect streams, lakes, rivers, and wetlands. It works in MN because we have always had this "we are all in the same boat" ethic due to the harsh weather and settlement patterns. The state works and continues to be successful economically largely because we believe in social capital (the sum is greater than the individual parts). If one looks, you can see evidence of it on the streets of Minneapolis and in the number of cooperatives and nonprofit organizations in the state (much higher than any neighboring state).

OldBaldy1701E

(10,917 posts)
48. Not responding was the correct choice.
Wed Mar 4, 2026, 05:28 PM
3 min ago

If I had done so, it would have been to print the ROFL emoji over and over and over... maybe with the crazy one interspersed here and there for good measure.

But, that would have been all.

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