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AStern

(849 posts)
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 11:31 AM 22 hrs ago

Former Alex Jones employee says: 'It was nonsense, it was lies'

Alex Jones, founder of the media company Infowars, had made a fortune promoting conspiracy theories online. He's insisted that the Sept. 11 attacks were an inside job and claimed that the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting was a hoax, staged by the government to justify seizing the firearms of American citizens.

Josh Owens spent four years in his 20s as a video editor and field producer for Jones and his media company. "In Jones' world, it was all about making things look cinematic," Owens says. "We would go out there, we would shoot videos and almost like Vice News — like, we were in the weeds, we were showing what was really going on. ... But it was nonsense, it was lies."

At one point, Owens was dispatched to El Paso, Texas, because a conservative website had alleged that ISIS had established a training base just across the border in Juarez, Mexico. Finding no evidence of ISIS, Owens says the Infowars team dressed a reporter up to look like an ISIS operative and filmed him crossing "the border" while holding a prop of a severed head. Except it wasn't actually the border.

"We just happened to find a little stream that looked like it could be the Rio Grande," Owens says. "We said we were on the border. The reporter I was with simulated the beheading, walked across, and that's what we posted."

Owens says the video of the fake ISIS agent garnered a million views overnight. Infowars did not respond to a request for comment.

https://www.npr.org/2026/03/31/nx-s1-5763689/alex-jones-infowars-josh-owens-the-madness-of-believing
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Former Alex Jones employee says: 'It was nonsense, it was lies' (Original Post) AStern 22 hrs ago OP
Note to Josh: this isn't surprising for anyone who isn't an idiot. harumph 22 hrs ago #1
also note to Josh ... You (intentionally) lied to people (on repeat) stopdiggin 22 hrs ago #3
The Knowledge Fight Podcast Hstch05 18 hrs ago #27
Yeah, love the way those guys expose and mock this oversized nitwit. Marie Marie 18 hrs ago #29
Say it isn't soooo ! (content creaters actually 'creating', 'fictionalizing' - content ?) - - - - - - - - -(nt)- stopdiggin 22 hrs ago #2
Wow,... berksdem 21 hrs ago #4
Josh Owens' book cbabe 21 hrs ago #5
So, Alex Jones isn't paying him directly anymore, but he's found a way for Alex Jones to pay him indirectly . . . hatrack 21 hrs ago #10
As Owens said in the interview, he was warned by Alex Jones his name was forever cbabe 21 hrs ago #11
I blame Alex Jones for the mess the United States is in. Initech 21 hrs ago #6
Agreed. Limbaugh and Faux are the other two, one of which still feeds the orange beast. At least El Rushbo passed on.... Evolve Dammit 19 hrs ago #16
Exactly. yellow dahlia 13 hrs ago #32
Eff that guy big time! Shambala 21 hrs ago #7
Can't seem to find my pearls...... Just Jerome 21 hrs ago #8
OMG, I'm shocked! 😱😭 I'm shocked, I tells ya! mwmisses4289 21 hrs ago #9
I listened to the interview on NPR tonekat 21 hrs ago #12
Hey, josh, WTF are you ACTIVELY doing to correct some of the harm niyad 20 hrs ago #13
gotta say wally baby 50 min ago #34
I would be interested to hear your thoughts when you do. niyad 32 min ago #35
These days you wouldn't need such an elaborate hoax; you now have AI to promote your lies. MLWR 20 hrs ago #14
Any sane person who listened to any part of his program would have come to the same conclusion. Martin68 20 hrs ago #15
Gotta sell those fake supplements lame54 19 hrs ago #17
"There was no evidence... but we 'just knew' it was true... so we staged it." Beartracks 19 hrs ago #18
"they are eating the dogs" rampartd 17 hrs ago #31
"There was no evidence... but we 'just knew' it was true... so we staged it." Beartracks 19 hrs ago #19
Sure thing, Josh AverageOldGuy 19 hrs ago #20
Grifters all the way down Politicub 19 hrs ago #21
All the people sucked into that nonsense are horrible human beings wolfie001 19 hrs ago #22
For those haven't read the whole article... ShazzieB 19 hrs ago #23
Only the lame D00ver66 19 hrs ago #24
So can the remaining copies Delmette2.0 19 hrs ago #25
Now, imagine if they had AI back then. Buddyzbuddy 18 hrs ago #26
And AI seems to favor MAGA Christian megachurch bullshit. Initech 18 hrs ago #28
Another member of the "buy my book" club. mucifer 18 hrs ago #30
It's called 'reverse engineering'. Aussie105 4 hrs ago #33

stopdiggin

(15,462 posts)
3. also note to Josh ... You (intentionally) lied to people (on repeat)
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 11:54 AM
22 hrs ago

in the millions, in earning your own scurvy paycheck. That makes you (along with your boss) pretty much a scumbag too. Hope you have a good life - but I sure wouldn't want anyone I cared about spending any time in your company. That moral compass there is already a thoroughly tattered wreck.

Hstch05

(237 posts)
27. The Knowledge Fight Podcast
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 03:11 PM
18 hrs ago

does deep dives on Alex Jones. Not just the current mess, but how he started, and deep historical dives into his worst moments. Their coverage of Sandy Hook is exceptional. It is well worth a listen.

stopdiggin

(15,462 posts)
2. Say it isn't soooo ! (content creaters actually 'creating', 'fictionalizing' - content ?) - - - - - - - - -(nt)-
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 11:43 AM
22 hrs ago

cbabe

(6,642 posts)
5. Josh Owens' book
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 12:00 PM
21 hrs ago

Barnes & Noble
https://www.barnesandnoble.com › w › the-madness-of-believing-josh-owens › 1147952894

The Madness of Believing: A Memoir from Inside Alex Jones's Conspiracy ...
An unvarnished and immersive dive into the world of conspiracy theories, propaganda, and disinformation from a former Infowars insider caught in the orbit of

(How naive country kid got sucked in and chewed up. Calls infowars a cult.)

hatrack

(64,883 posts)
10. So, Alex Jones isn't paying him directly anymore, but he's found a way for Alex Jones to pay him indirectly . . .
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 12:44 PM
21 hrs ago

Got it.

cbabe

(6,642 posts)
11. As Owens said in the interview, he was warned by Alex Jones his name was forever
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 12:50 PM
21 hrs ago

tarnished by working for infowars. Why Owens was afraid to leave the cult. Who would hire him in the future? Jones choose his victims carefully. Jones is like a mini t, corrupting everyone he touches.

Initech

(108,772 posts)
6. I blame Alex Jones for the mess the United States is in.
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 12:01 PM
21 hrs ago

He turned politics into a game of chicken. And not to mention what he did to Sandy Hook is absolutely unforgivable. Why that piece of shit continues to walk free is a mystery.

Evolve Dammit

(21,774 posts)
16. Agreed. Limbaugh and Faux are the other two, one of which still feeds the orange beast. At least El Rushbo passed on....
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 01:58 PM
19 hrs ago

And of course all the spawn following the same models laid out by the afore-mentioned.

Shambala

(280 posts)
7. Eff that guy big time!
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 12:08 PM
21 hrs ago

Four years knowingly peddling lies and conspiracies and ruining people’s lives. Eff him

mwmisses4289

(4,179 posts)
9. OMG, I'm shocked! 😱😭 I'm shocked, I tells ya!
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 12:39 PM
21 hrs ago

Not!!

I used to find it strange that so many conservative sites would post stories that were outright lies and/or easily debunked, but not anymore. I have finally concluded that most conservatives are just seriously mentally ill, and should be on meds and in therapy.

tonekat

(2,528 posts)
12. I listened to the interview on NPR
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 12:54 PM
21 hrs ago

With Josh Owens. Can't say I have any respect for him.

niyad

(132,439 posts)
13. Hey, josh, WTF are you ACTIVELY doing to correct some of the harm
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 01:00 PM
20 hrs ago

that you, and everyone at that cesspit of propaganda, lies, and deceit has done? Nobody in the cult is going to read your book, and nobody outside the cult needs to, since we alredy know this.

HOW WILL YOU MAKE AMENDS???

MLWR

(1,025 posts)
14. These days you wouldn't need such an elaborate hoax; you now have AI to promote your lies.
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 01:09 PM
20 hrs ago

Martin68

(27,741 posts)
15. Any sane person who listened to any part of his program would have come to the same conclusion.
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 01:32 PM
20 hrs ago

Beartracks

(14,591 posts)
18. "There was no evidence... but we 'just knew' it was true... so we staged it."
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 02:23 PM
19 hrs ago

That's the whole rightwing conservative Republican ethos right there.

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rampartd

(4,628 posts)
31. "they are eating the dogs"
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 04:26 PM
17 hrs ago

vance explained, at the time, that they these things so that the press will run with the story. here is the quote.....

“The American media totally ignored this stuff until Donald Trump and I started talking about cat memes," Sen. Vance said. "If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do." j d vance

Beartracks

(14,591 posts)
19. "There was no evidence... but we 'just knew' it was true... so we staged it."
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 02:23 PM
19 hrs ago

That's the whole rightwing conservative Republican ethos right there.

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AverageOldGuy

(3,831 posts)
20. Sure thing, Josh
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 02:26 PM
19 hrs ago

You didn’t give a damn when you were getting paid to generate lies.

Your mea culpa is too late . . . when the trials of the Nazis start in 2029, there’s a spot for you on the gallows.

Politicub

(12,328 posts)
21. Grifters all the way down
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 02:27 PM
19 hrs ago

Everyone who worked for that odious organization is complicit in spreading hate and lies. Hope it was worth it.

wolfie001

(7,665 posts)
22. All the people sucked into that nonsense are horrible human beings
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 02:30 PM
19 hrs ago

Also, tRUMP voters. The absolute worst of us Americans.

ShazzieB

(22,582 posts)
23. For those haven't read the whole article...
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 02:33 PM
19 hrs ago

This is the last paragraph:

I don't want to be a person that just moves on from it and doesn't take accountability, because then I don't feel like you can grow. And I would love to grow. I would love to continue growing. I would be a better person. I just felt like I needed to clear things up for myself. Why was I there? Why did I do these things? Why did I stick around for so long? I don't have all the answers now, but I think exploring it and asking those questions and taking accountability was just sort of part of the process.


Okay, so taking accountability is a good thing, on the face of it. And I get how a young, naive kid could get sucked into something like this and have a hard time leaving. The whole thing does sound very cultlike. But where's the remorse for the terrible things he did while working for Jones? I'm just not getting it here. This is all about him, about his need to explain his actions to himself. He seems to realize what he did was bad and wrong, sort of. But I'm not sure he realizes just HOW DEEPLY bad and wrong his support of Jones' evil doings was. His attitude, as based on this article and nothing else, doesn't come off well at all. I hope there's more genuine remorse, contrition, even shame in the book itself, but I sure can't tell from this article.

The audio of the interview just went up at NPR. I'm going to give it a listen and see how this guy sounds, and what got left out of the article.

D00ver66

(24 posts)
24. Only the lame
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 02:50 PM
19 hrs ago

Brained people would believe anything infowars or for that matter Fox/ Trump media says. It just shows they cater to the uber stupid to help the uber wealthy.

Delmette2.0

(4,503 posts)
25. So can the remaining copies
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 02:51 PM
19 hrs ago

Of the program and videos be scrubbed from the internet? At least flagged as Verified Fake.

Buddyzbuddy

(2,617 posts)
26. Now, imagine if they had AI back then.
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 02:59 PM
18 hrs ago

It's going to get so much worse, in my opinion.

It's becoming harder and harder to discern reality from AI.

Initech

(108,772 posts)
28. And AI seems to favor MAGA Christian megachurch bullshit.
Tue Mar 31, 2026, 03:16 PM
18 hrs ago

Yeah let's deregulate AI, what could possibly go wrong?

Aussie105

(7,920 posts)
33. It's called 'reverse engineering'.
Wed Apr 1, 2026, 05:27 AM
4 hrs ago

You start with the desired psychological and emotional response you want to elicit from an audience, then spin reality into a story that aims to do just that.
Complete with actors.

But that isn't how you normally do news.
(Despite this being quite common in the media. Alex Jones didn't invent this type of thing.)

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