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CousinIT

(12,792 posts)
Mon May 25, 2026, 12:27 PM Monday

"The American experiment is over..."

I'm not saying to give up or stop fighting. That's IMO not an option. But this is where we are ar at the moment.

Sadly, every word is true. The American experiment is over. Killed in the middle of Fifth Avenue and no one in power blinked an eye to stop it.

Mark T. Sneed (@marktsneed.bsky.social) 2026-05-25T07:50:43.169Z
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"The American experiment is over..." (Original Post) CousinIT Monday OP
I said the same thing to a friend this morning. Irish_Dem Monday #1
that bluesky post is illiterate defeatist bullshit Blues Heron Monday #2
No it's not. It's the bucket of cold water thrown in the faces FoxNewsSucks Monday #8
it's still defeatist, especially the idea that Dems are impotent and that we can't win the midterms LymphocyteLover Monday #14
It's not just the media portraying them as such, FoxNewsSucks Monday #20
I'm not saying Dems couldn't do more against this administration and suspend some of those norms, however they have LymphocyteLover Tuesday #27
Pretty god damned impotent ABC123Easy Tuesday #31
Trump was INDICTED MULTIPLE TIMES by Garland's DOJ. It was the fucking Supreme Court who fucked over those cases. LymphocyteLover Tuesday #32
Not BS ABC123Easy Tuesday #33
You don't know what exactly he did. Anyway, if SCOTUS has interfered and massively delayed the cases, Dump would have LymphocyteLover Tuesday #34
Thats a giant load of wishy washy BS ABC123Easy Tuesday #35
I disagree that he did nothing. I agree he could've acted more urgently but he did pursue the cases and the LymphocyteLover Wednesday #38
I disagree. ABC123Easy Wednesday #39
you seriously think SCOTUS would've just left the case alone and not interfered if Garland rushed the prosecutions? LymphocyteLover Wednesday #41
Again ABC123Easy Wednesday #42
"You've never actually responded to the fact that Garland is to blame for this." LymphocyteLover Thursday #43
That is completely delusional ABC123Easy Thursday #44
Why doesn't the buck stop with Biden? He's the one who appointed Garland. LymphocyteLover Thursday #45
Wow ABC123Easy Thursday #46
No, I don't. I asked a simple question since Biden hired the guy and the buck famously stop with the president. LymphocyteLover Thursday #47
Simple question ABC123Easy 18 hrs ago #49
There's a difference between realistic and defeatist. wnylib Monday #17
There are way too many people FoxNewsSucks Monday #21
And there are quite a few people who are eager to call others Polyannas wnylib Monday #22
Who are the pollyannas? MorbidButterflyTat Monday #19
Revolution Pollyannas: don't threaten us with the Supreme Court or tell us to vote blue no matter who. betsuni Monday #24
I really hate this snowybirdie Monday #3
Where does it say to give up and walk away? FoxNewsSucks Monday #9
That's not what it says. Scrivener7 Tuesday #30
I won't be celebrating the 250th Easterncedar Monday #4
THIS. n/t CousinIT Monday #6
Cheer up and take the opportunity that is offered bucolic_frolic Monday #5
This time, put the women in charge. Men just cause problems and BS wars. OMGWTF Monday #7
Men have little ground to stand on when claiming that women.. CousinIT Monday #12
Is it being challenged? Absolutely! Phoenix61 Monday #10
I think the US can have a real democracy - but it needs a real constitution first. harumph Monday #11
I agree it's over. It will take a hundred years to rebuild, if ever. Our sinkingfeeling Monday #13
Fuck the Borg struggle4progress Monday #15
Word! yellow dahlia Monday #16
Happy to report this guy's damning post mortem of America didn't keep him from hyping his podcast MorbidButterflyTat Monday #18
Somebody posts something on social media ... so who is this guy anyway FakeNoose Monday #23
"This is OUR government. Yes, we can change our government whenever we want. Don't ever betsuni Tuesday #25
There is an irrefutable Step One that has to happen this year... BH liberal Tuesday #28
Sneed is a click master. Peddle despair, make a buck. delisen Tuesday #26
Yes. As we have known it, it is indeed over. But there is an opportunity here to build something different. Scrivener7 Tuesday #29
The experiment includes a step, "What if someone says the experiment is over when it's not?" gulliver Tuesday #36
If giving up is not an option sarisataka Tuesday #37
Mixed messages: "It's over and we lost, but don't give up." Torchlight Wednesday #40
Patent Bullshit! MineralMan Thursday #48

Irish_Dem

(82,578 posts)
1. I said the same thing to a friend this morning.
Mon May 25, 2026, 12:29 PM
Monday

250 years is not a bad run.

But our democracy is over now.
Ironic on the 250th anniversary of our democracy.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,969 posts)
8. No it's not. It's the bucket of cold water thrown in the faces
Mon May 25, 2026, 01:09 PM
Monday

of all the pollyannas who think 'everything will just be fine, you'll see'.

Realistic points of view are often uncomfortable.

LymphocyteLover

(10,224 posts)
14. it's still defeatist, especially the idea that Dems are impotent and that we can't win the midterms
Mon May 25, 2026, 03:25 PM
Monday

Dems have no real power, so of course they seem impotent to people not paying attention.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,969 posts)
20. It's not just the media portraying them as such,
Mon May 25, 2026, 09:07 PM
Monday

here's an example. Blue slips. Dick Durbin honored that policy for republicon senators even after they refused to do the same for Democratic Senators.

Time and time again, we are "nice". That's why it's easy for the media to push that image.

And many see the contrast with times that republicons are in the minority yet manage to successfully obstruct and thwart Democrats anyway.

We need to fight the same way, or we will soon lose it all.

LymphocyteLover

(10,224 posts)
27. I'm not saying Dems couldn't do more against this administration and suspend some of those norms, however they have
Tue May 26, 2026, 07:20 AM
Tuesday

done important things in the past year, like shut down the govt over ACA subsidies, shut down DHS over ICE tactics and getting Epstein files released. And they won in the latter two cases.

It's tricky, because Dems need to show they can work within the system to get things done and not be seen as harming the country, while still obstructing the administration.

ABC123Easy

(361 posts)
31. Pretty god damned impotent
Tue May 26, 2026, 09:47 AM
Tuesday

....when they're IN power as well. See Merrick Garland. I hope he's happy now and has all of those pearls he clutched safe somehwere.

LymphocyteLover

(10,224 posts)
32. Trump was INDICTED MULTIPLE TIMES by Garland's DOJ. It was the fucking Supreme Court who fucked over those cases.
Tue May 26, 2026, 03:27 PM
Tuesday

Blaming Garland is BS.

ABC123Easy

(361 posts)
33. Not BS
Tue May 26, 2026, 04:03 PM
Tuesday

Giving Garland credit is BS. He did NOTHING for 2 whole years. Sat on his ass. Jack Smith should've been appointed in January 2021!

LymphocyteLover

(10,224 posts)
34. You don't know what exactly he did. Anyway, if SCOTUS has interfered and massively delayed the cases, Dump would have
Tue May 26, 2026, 04:48 PM
Tuesday

easily convicted of many serious crimes and almost certainly thrown in jail.

ABC123Easy

(361 posts)
35. Thats a giant load of wishy washy BS
Tue May 26, 2026, 05:47 PM
Tuesday

SCOTUS didn't interfere until 4 years in. Check the timeline. Garland screwed around and clutched his precious pearls and DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for 2 whole years. Then he appointed TWO special counsels to investigate BIDEN AND HUNTER BIDEN.

LymphocyteLover

(10,224 posts)
38. I disagree that he did nothing. I agree he could've acted more urgently but he did pursue the cases and the
Wed May 27, 2026, 12:40 PM
Wednesday

cases would've gone to trial before the election if SCOTUS did fuck them up.

it does take time to build a strong case against a former POTUS.

Also of course Dump was helped massively in the classified doc case by fucking Aileen Cannon.

ABC123Easy

(361 posts)
39. I disagree.
Wed May 27, 2026, 01:34 PM
Wednesday

Did there need to be much of an investigation of January 6th? Couldn't he have found the backbone to appoint special counsels immediately to investigate that? Did he need to wait 2 years to look into it?

It doesn't matter what SCOTUS did YEARS later or what the stooge judge Cannon in Florida did. Hell, Cannon may not have even been the judge if Jack Smith had been appointed TWO and a half years prior.

This is Garland's fault and failure. There's absolutely no reason to go easy on him. He is emblematic of why people are upset with the establishment Dems.




LymphocyteLover

(10,224 posts)
41. you seriously think SCOTUS would've just left the case alone and not interfered if Garland rushed the prosecutions?
Wed May 27, 2026, 10:36 PM
Wednesday

I don't.

Also the legal system is just slow and favors rich people like the orange shit who can just keep appealing.

You can blame Garland for some of this problem but putting all the blame on him is fucking ridiculous.

ABC123Easy

(361 posts)
42. Again
Wed May 27, 2026, 10:50 PM
Wednesday

You skip over EVERYTHING to get to the SCOTUS.

I'm not even reading your responses anymore because I already know what you're going to say. You're just making excuses.

You can only focus on the SCOTUS while skipping directly over the fact that Garland DID NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for 2 years.

SCOTUS NEVER ruled on 75% of the indictments.

You've never actually responded to the fact that Garland is to blame for this.



LymphocyteLover

(10,224 posts)
43. "You've never actually responded to the fact that Garland is to blame for this."
Thu May 28, 2026, 08:08 AM
Thursday

I said more than once that Garland deserves some blame.

Still, ultimately he was NOT the main problem, and we can agree to disagree on that.

I think it's clear SCOTUS played an important role interfering with his prosecutions.

Another big problem I didn't mention here, is that the Republican party NEVER took these charges seriously and used their media apparatuses to continually undercut the justice system. Hence half the country downplayed the charges, even for the Manhattan felony convictions, which were soundly agreed on by the jury.

Ultimately the GOP-MAGA-Trump cult is a massive lawless organization that is wrecking the country.

ABC123Easy

(361 posts)
44. That is completely delusional
Thu May 28, 2026, 08:50 AM
Thursday

I'm not sure why you can't bring yourself to see the big picture. You just can't put the blame where it's deserved. Apparently, something in your mind just can't bear to blame Garland. He will go down in history as one of the worst AGs ever......a coward, a terrified, incompetent, little shrew, afraid to do his job.

There has never been a more straightforward, obvious case to prosecute than the crimes we as a nation watched LIVE ON TV on January 6th. A first year law student could've prosecuted that case. Any AG or prosecutor in the country could've taken care of it. Gift wrapped and presented on his lap with a bow. Even the ultra corrupt Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham admitted Dump was guilty and stated the DOJ should take care of it!

But no, you don't see it as Garland's fault because of what came after. Have you stopped to think that what came after was CAUSED by Garland's pathetic non-action? Do nothing and just hope the GOP will exile Dump? How naive. Garland gave the GOP time to sow doubt and come up with propaganda just like they always do. Who would have imagined?

Because of his utter cowardice and just plain terror at doing his job, we now have Dump back in office. He sat around dithering, going after the scum foot soldiers from January 6th, all of which are pardoned now, instead of starting with the main culprit. The buck stops with Garland. Garland decided not to do his job. The 2nd Dump term and all of the horror it brings lies on Garland's table.

ABC123Easy

(361 posts)
46. Wow
Thu May 28, 2026, 03:06 PM
Thursday

Unlike Dump, BIDEN didn't interfere with the DOJ. He didn't even want to give the IMPRESSION that he was influencing or coordinating with DOJ.

It appears based upon your question that you prefer the current regime under Dump. So I guess you would prefer that Biden had interfered with the investigations under Garland?

LymphocyteLover

(10,224 posts)
47. No, I don't. I asked a simple question since Biden hired the guy and the buck famously stop with the president.
Thu May 28, 2026, 08:17 PM
Thursday

ABC123Easy

(361 posts)
49. Simple question
Fri May 29, 2026, 01:35 PM
18 hrs ago

As a Dem who has apparently been alive during the duration of Biden's term until now, I'd hope you were aware that Biden did not influence the DOJ. So this wasn't a genuine, honest question. You knew the answer, I have to assume.

You knew that the buck stopped with Garland.

You know Garland as the AG was the head of the DOJ.

You know Garland was in control of ANY investigations into Dump.

You know Garland is to blame.

Please stop wasting my time with this.

wnylib

(26,567 posts)
17. There's a difference between realistic and defeatist.
Mon May 25, 2026, 07:40 PM
Monday

Realism says things are bad, even very bad, but by facing up to each problem with open eyes, we can tackle the problem.

Defeatism says that things are so bad, that we should just give up and accept that they will never improve and we can't do anything about it.

Realism is good because it brings focus and definition to solving problems. Defeatism is giving in to hopelessness.

FoxNewsSucks

(11,969 posts)
21. There are way too many people
Mon May 25, 2026, 09:09 PM
Monday

right here who seem to eagerly look for things they can call "defeatist" to silence critics.

wnylib

(26,567 posts)
22. And there are quite a few people who are eager to call others Polyannas
Mon May 25, 2026, 09:57 PM
Monday

for believing that we can and should push back strongly and steadily against the destruction of democracy.

The struggle against authoritarian oligarchs currently taking over the country and trying to take over the world seems impossible to win sometimes. There are so many setbacks, so many insane things going on at once, so much money and power on the other side. But they are fallible human beings, not gods. They can be defeated.

It takes a united effort and determination to seize every opportunity, exploit every weakness that we detect in them, and keep on resisting.






MorbidButterflyTat

(4,786 posts)
19. Who are the pollyannas?
Mon May 25, 2026, 08:17 PM
Monday

Who said, 'everything will just be fine, you'll see'?

"The American experiment is over" is realistic?

betsuni

(29,332 posts)
24. Revolution Pollyannas: don't threaten us with the Supreme Court or tell us to vote blue no matter who.
Mon May 25, 2026, 11:06 PM
Monday

Both sides corrupt billionaires wealthy donors lobbyists oligarchs Wall Street superPACs AIPAC ANYPAC neoliberals status quo warmongers coastal elite establishment centrists ignore working class not progressive identity politics Trump listens to working class rigging old guard corporate Dems true roadblock to progress don't stand up to don't fight for earn my vote hold feet to the fire take my vote for granted teach them a lesson vote my conscience lesser of two evils but I just don't like her but he's old but the price of eggs my vote doesn't matter anyway uncommitted revolution solidarity both sides.

What could possible happen.

snowybirdie

(6,755 posts)
3. I really hate this
Mon May 25, 2026, 12:35 PM
Monday

Giving up and walking away with you tails between your legs. Shame on the defeatist and shame on not trying. As a nation, we've been down before and got back up! We all are better than this and this gets posted on Memorial Day! Double shame!

FoxNewsSucks

(11,969 posts)
9. Where does it say to give up and walk away?
Mon May 25, 2026, 01:10 PM
Monday

I read the opposite, the problem is those who have power but done nothing.

Easterncedar

(6,511 posts)
4. I won't be celebrating the 250th
Mon May 25, 2026, 12:42 PM
Monday

Democracy died here already. But acknowledging that isn't being defeatist. It doesn't mean we should stop fighting against the fascist authoritarian regime. We have to build a better government and society. We have to keep fighting, together, with all we have in every way we can.

bucolic_frolic

(55,982 posts)
5. Cheer up and take the opportunity that is offered
Mon May 25, 2026, 12:47 PM
Monday

The collapse of the financial and economic system loom. AI debt will level everything. We build anew from the ashes.

CousinIT

(12,792 posts)
12. Men have little ground to stand on when claiming that women..
Mon May 25, 2026, 01:28 PM
Monday

...are not leaders or are "too emotional" to do so, or whatever. Not after Trump. Not before either, but Trump just put the cap on their invalid arguments.

Phoenix61

(18,899 posts)
10. Is it being challenged? Absolutely!
Mon May 25, 2026, 01:11 PM
Monday

But it's been challenged in the past and we're still here. The Civil War, the Great Depression, the anti-war demonstrations during the Vietnam War, the Civil Rights movement and the atrocities that were committed during it. We will get through this the same way we got through those, determination and hard work because failure is not an option.

harumph

(3,433 posts)
11. I think the US can have a real democracy - but it needs a real constitution first.
Mon May 25, 2026, 01:18 PM
Monday

Anything else we do is just building a temporary dam. Article V. Maybe the only thing that will provide the motivation to fundamentally amend (more than just bandaid) the constitution will be when we hit rock bottom - and I mean rock bottom. One, private money needs to be banned
from elections. Two, bodily autonomy. Three, right to privacy - which means inter alia, no surveillance state. Four, right to basic healthcare. Five, right to a standardized world class education for all children K-12. Six, absolute separation of church and state. Seven, curtail presidential pardon power. Firewalls between the president and the DOJ. Create and fund virtually untouchable independent agencies charged with ferreting out accounting fraud and corruption. National secrecy cannot extend to more than 20 years before public disclosure ( accountability for those involved before they die). Representatives and senators must put their money in a blind trust. Penalties for defrauding the public include inability to run for election or to even serve in government - forever.

sinkingfeeling

(58,099 posts)
13. I agree it's over. It will take a hundred years to rebuild, if ever. Our
Mon May 25, 2026, 01:36 PM
Monday

leadership in science, education, medicine, engineering, and foreign relations is gone. The America I knew and loved died in November 2025.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,786 posts)
18. Happy to report this guy's damning post mortem of America didn't keep him from hyping his podcast
Mon May 25, 2026, 08:04 PM
Monday

And he publishes on the evil, dreaded Amazon!!


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Mark T. Sneed (@marktsneed.bsky.social) 2026-05-25T21:36:56.268Z



FakeNoose

(42,585 posts)
23. Somebody posts something on social media ... so who is this guy anyway
Mon May 25, 2026, 10:02 PM
Monday

They all have their own opinions, but I don't have to waste my time reading them.

betsuni

(29,332 posts)
25. "This is OUR government. Yes, we can change our government whenever we want. Don't ever
Tue May 26, 2026, 04:36 AM
Tuesday

forget that we get to choose."

Heather Cox Richardson

BH liberal

(177 posts)
28. There is an irrefutable Step One that has to happen this year...
Tue May 26, 2026, 08:11 AM
Tuesday

Those who are stating the obvious are spot-on. The first step in turning this mess around is to turn out for the midterms in numbers so high that the GOP redistricting, their dirty tricks, and their voter suppression tactics will not work. If we can't even manage that, we deserve what we get. No excuses!

delisen

(7,437 posts)
26. Sneed is a click master. Peddle despair, make a buck.
Tue May 26, 2026, 06:33 AM
Tuesday

He is mini-Bezos.
Bezos sells us Fascism with a fake smile; Sneed is selling Despair with a fake frown.

Know this: all marketing is lies

Scrivener7

(60,121 posts)
29. Yes. As we have known it, it is indeed over. But there is an opportunity here to build something different.
Tue May 26, 2026, 08:33 AM
Tuesday

We can all see it is over, and those violently denying it in this thread just seem to me to be simply showing their understandable reluctance to look at the fact that it is obviously over.

BUT. This disaster has shown us the unworkable parts of our system that need to go. These show us the road to build a better system if we have the will. Whether we have the will is the unanswered question.

The biggest fissure is that our system depends on its participants having a modicum of decency. We have learned that at least a third of our countrywomen and men don't have that decency. So depending on that decency just won't work anymore. That's done.

We can build something different when we regain power by first addressing those areas this third have exploited. The areas where they have been able to pillage the country for their own ends. That includes corporations and politicians. This requires a concerted effort to PROSECUTE the offenders without mercy. Our mistake in the Biden years was not doing that. Inevitably, I will be accused of trashing Biden for saying that. It's not trashing. Some of us saw his mistake in real time. A lot more can see it in retrospect. He made a mistake. People do. But the appointment of a "go along to get along" prosecutor has had disastrous consequences. This time, if "Just move ahead" is the road taken, it will truly be the end of anything resembling a Democracy.

But also, somewhere down the line when things settle into the new system - because it WILL be a new system, for better or worse depending on what WE do - we need to look at WHY so many of our countrywomen and men are such shits. Why there is no honesty, no character on the right. Bring back civics classes and make them mandatory in high school. Address the income inequality that makes the weaker among us create enemies of their neighbors. This is a lot more elusive than the goal of prosecution, and it's beyond my psychological understandings, but it is something smarter heads than mine need to address.

The same group that will accuse me of trashing Biden will take issue with my saying that WE have to fix this. They will say republicans broke it and therefore should fix it. Which is asinine. Of course they should. But that's not how the world works. They won't. We all know they won't. So if we want it fixed, we have to do it ourselves.

gulliver

(14,098 posts)
36. The experiment includes a step, "What if someone says the experiment is over when it's not?"
Tue May 26, 2026, 06:02 PM
Tuesday

Step 411.5 "What if someone says the experiment is over when it isn't?"
Continue to Step 412.

sarisataka

(22,848 posts)
37. If giving up is not an option
Tue May 26, 2026, 06:21 PM
Tuesday

why post a piece declaring its's over and there is nothing we can do about it?

Torchlight

(7,102 posts)
40. Mixed messages: "It's over and we lost, but don't give up."
Wed May 27, 2026, 01:42 PM
Wednesday

Which dichotomous assertion do I take at face value?

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