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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI substitute taught a third grade class today and they had an assignment based on a city in Denmark who is almost 100%
Totally sustainable alternative energy. I never knew about this island city in Denmark. A teacher in Samso Denmark inspired his kids to explore alternate energy. The kids told their parents and convinced the local government to try it out by utilizing Solar, Wind and growing crops that can be used for fuel and energy. I have never heard of this place and was blown away by how they utilized alternative energy.
Its so sad we can never explore these alternative energy sources in the US became oil and gas industries own our government and president.
That said I was blown away by what I read.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,720 posts)on oil for energy.
Deuxcents
(27,816 posts)To be more serious about this matter. There are pockets of efforts here and there but we arent investing or funding clean energy.
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hamsterjill
(17,805 posts)It breaks my heart not only for now but for our future generations who are going to be left in the dark and so far behind.
BeneteauBum
(828 posts)Renewable energy sources are available if people would just make the change. It does require a change in lifestyle as Ive opted to live w/o AC (I have fans) or TV
.I do have refrigeration. Not a big deal. Its funny to have solicitors call and tell me I can lower my power bill
..Im off the grid and I get to read a lot.
Peace ☮️
OAITW r.2.0
(32,720 posts)After 5 years of data...I think I could g0 off grid with another bank of batteries. Right now I donate 500K watts to the grid and I get to pay a $35.00 connection fee,
Melon
(1,767 posts)This works for a village in Norway because
.its small. I read an article that stated to supply Dallas with 5 million people would take 5 million acres of solar or 500,000 acres of wind. That is destructive in a different way. Norway is the same size as Dallas population wise with more land. Giant solar fields also affect the the local climate.
30% of Texas power on our grid is renewable, and you can opt to pay more but receive 100% of that energy.
Bev54
(13,531 posts)They are way ahead overall.
delisen
(7,437 posts)During the Carter presidency there was a wonderful nurturing of alternative energy experimentation There was hope and excitement about a sole future.
Then along came Reagan who ripped the solar panels off the White House.
I am happy for the part of the world which has been choosing the good and unburdening themselves from the bad and the ugly.
Figarosmom
(13,781 posts)On one of the foreign channels or maybe even on Monti Don's channel. Can't remember.
hunter
(40,890 posts)... and imported electricity from Norway and Sweden. They also have some of the most expensive electricity in the "developed" world. (A similar situation exists in California.)
Their electric grid has about four times the greenhouse gas emissions of nuclear powered France.
What gas Denmark doesn't burn in their own electric power plants they export to other nations. Their greenhouse gas emissions are most honestly judged by the amount of fossil fuels they are extracting from the earth, whether or not those fossil fuels are used domestically or exported.
Denmark has many fine qualities but I don't think their electric grid is worthy of emulation.
Trashing the ocean with short-lived wind turbines isn't anything environmentalists should support. In the long term these wind turbines will have done nothing to reduce the total amount of greenhouse gasses humans ultimately dump into earth's atmosphere, or even buy us any time to better deal with the global heating crisis that is upon us.
That there is any sort of energy transition happening now is a lie. We are building these huge industrial scale wind and solar projects to make ourselves feel better. If we humans want to quit fossil fuels we just have to do it, and that is not going to be easy. If we don't do it we'll go out the same way as all the other novel species on earth whose populations exploded and suddenly collapsed.
Listening to all the people complaining about gasoline prices does not make me hopeful. Within our current economic system it is damned near impossible for any affluent or wealthy person to reduce their own environmental footprint in any meaningful way.
This thing we call "economic productivity" is a direct measure of the damage we are doing to the earth's natural environment and our own human spirit.
muriel_volestrangler
(106,660 posts)figure 2 is by country
latest year there is 2024: France 43g CO2/kWh; Denmark 76g .
hunter
(40,890 posts)A standard methodology ought to apply across all electric grids. I'm using 2025 numbers that add maintenance and manufacturing emissions to the statistics. Nuclear power has the advantage here.
Unfortunately if you go down the rabbit hole the numbers get squishy. My most pessimistic numbers have Denmark emitting six times the greenhouse gas emissions of France per kilowatt hour in 2025.
Denmark's biomass, waste incineration, gas, and coal power plants are not doing them any favors. The 800 megawatt + district heating Avedøre Power Station burns everything. For unfathomable reasons the "green" community is quite fond of it. I guess it's better than dirty old coal power plants. "Better than coal" is a very low standard.
Politically wind power has to be doing great in Denmark. Denmark is a major manufacturer of wind turbines and when people pay their large electric bills they have to feel there's a good reason for it.
Personally, I don't get any warm fuzzy feelings when I see giant wind turbines littering the land and ocean.