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drray23

(8,843 posts)
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 07:21 PM 11 hrs ago

I get the feeling that if Trump dies and Vance succeeds him

The war with Iran will quickly end since its not good for his oligarch friends in the long run. As long as Trump is president, nobody can successfully negotiate a peace agreement.

We saw it again today. Vance makes some semi reasonable statements aimed at reaching resolution, and hour later Trump undermines it with a deranged rant, threatening further bombing and the takeover of the strait.

Heck, even if Trump had send a skilled team of diplomats, the end result would be the same. Until he shuts up, nothing will work.

I am not sure why foreign countries even bother attempting to negotiate anything with us ( not just the war but tariffs, economic treaties, etc..) since all of that can be invalidated by Trump the minute its inked and signed.




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I get the feeling that if Trump dies and Vance succeeds him (Original Post) drray23 11 hrs ago OP
How can anybody bargain with Trump when the United States is not keeping its word on anything? Walleye 11 hrs ago #1
Never take the word of an oathbreaker Ponietz 11 hrs ago #5
But consider this: calimary 11 hrs ago #2
I'd prefer voting for Kamala Harris again. KS Toronado 8 hrs ago #8
Frankly, so would I! calimary 7 hrs ago #12
Vance is definitely pulling a bait and switch right now. Initech 11 hrs ago #3
;-{) ASPIRATIONS Goonch 11 hrs ago #4
there are open windows dave99 10 hrs ago #6
Trump's behavior in negotiations is... paulkienitz 8 hrs ago #7
Why would Iran negotiate anything with Witless and dead eyes blue blues 8 hrs ago #9
Trump is incapable of agreeing to anything Renew Deal 8 hrs ago #10
The difference is that Vance can sometimes appear to be a human being tavernier 8 hrs ago #11

Walleye

(45,780 posts)
1. How can anybody bargain with Trump when the United States is not keeping its word on anything?
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 07:25 PM
11 hrs ago

calimary

(91,378 posts)
2. But consider this:
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 07:29 PM
11 hrs ago

It’s just a guess on my part, but I’d bet whoever our next President is (and yes, it will be another man), most, if not all, of the crap trump initiated or fully implemented will be reversed. Or otherwise undone. Maybe via the new President’s executive order on his first day on the job.

Well, hey, let’s think positive at least some of the time! For all we know, thinking positive might just become contagious!

calimary

(91,378 posts)
12. Frankly, so would I!
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 11:14 PM
7 hrs ago

I've already done it once, and I remain supremely confident in her intellect, talents, and the wealth of serious, high-level experience she has. And at a mere 61 years old, she's still plenty young enough to serve, and serve with vigor and vitality!

Initech

(109,566 posts)
3. Vance is definitely pulling a bait and switch right now.
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 07:29 PM
11 hrs ago

Makes you wonder if our billionaire oligarch overlords are up to something. You know these scumbags will do anything to keep their ill gotten power.

paulkienitz

(1,556 posts)
7. Trump's behavior in negotiations is...
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 10:20 PM
8 hrs ago

...almost Russian in its unreliability and duplicity.

Add dementia on top and it’s basically not even worth including him in the discussion.

blue blues

(89 posts)
9. Why would Iran negotiate anything with Witless and dead eyes
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 10:26 PM
8 hrs ago

Just look at the last time those two had a deal
This makes no sense

Renew Deal

(85,465 posts)
10. Trump is incapable of agreeing to anything
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 10:28 PM
8 hrs ago

He only has bad options and isn't brave enough to do the one Americans want. End the war. Most Americans don't care about Iran as much as the care about gas prices and healthcare.

tavernier

(14,567 posts)
11. The difference is that Vance can sometimes appear to be a human being
Sun Jun 21, 2026, 10:28 PM
8 hrs ago

Until you see the tail and tentacles start creeping out between the seams of his clothing.

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