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BumRushDaShow

(151,210 posts)
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 12:45 PM Mar 13

Tens of thousands of fired federal workers must be reinstated immediately, judge rules

Source: Politico

03/13/2025 12:35 PM EDT

A federal judge on Thursday ordered federal agencies to reinstate tens of thousands of probationary employees who were fired amid President Donald Trump's turbulent effort to drastically shrink the federal bureaucracy.

U.S. District Judge William Alsup described the mass firings as a "sham" strategy by the government's central human resources office to sidestep legal requirements for reducing the federal workforce.

Alsup, a San Francisco-based appointee of President Bill Clinton, ordered the Departments of Defense, Treasury, Energy, Agriculture and Veterans Affairs to "immediately" offer all fired probationary employees their jobs back. The Office of Personnel Management, the judge said, had made an "unlawful" decision to terminate them.

The order is one of the most far-reaching rejections of the Trump administration's effort to slash the bureaucracy and is almost certain to be appealed.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/13/fired-federal-probationary-employees-court-ruling-00228721



Just breaking. Short article at post time.

Interesting part from CNN's article -

Judge orders Trump administration to reinstate thousands of fired employees at VA, Defense Department and other agencies

By Devan Cole, CNN
Updated 12:52 PM EDT, Thu March 13, 2025

(snip)

The ruling came after Alsup unloaded on the Justice Department for not making the acting head of the Office of Personnel Management available to testify about the Trump administration’s decision to fire scores of probationary employees. He had ordered acting OMB director Charles Ezell to testify Thursday, where he would likely face tough questions from attorneys representing labor unions and others that are challenging his agency’s role in the firings.

But the Justice Department refused to make him available and instead withdrew a declaration Ezell submitted last month that had served as the government’s only evidence in the case. “You’re afraid to do so because you know cross-examination will reveal the truth,” Alsup told DOJ attorney Kelsey Helland. “I tend to doubt that you’re telling me the truth.”

Alsup told the DOJ attorney Thursday: “You can’t just say, ‘here’s a declaration, you have to accept it without question’ when there is a question.” “You’re not helping me get at the truth. You’re giving me press releases – sham documents,” the judge said, referring to documents submitted by the DOJ to the court that they say shows how the agencies were making the termination decisions themselves.

The declaration from Ezell said that OPM did not “direct” other agencies to terminate probationary employees — the central issue in the case brought by labor unions and others. But Alsup has already said that the evidence in the case “points in favor” of the plaintiffs, and he’s cast doubt on the Justice Department’s argument that various federal agencies fired probationary employees because of their own decision-making.

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Tens of thousands of fired federal workers must be reinstated immediately, judge rules (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 13 OP
Good ruling, will shall see if they do it as per the ruling. republianmushroom Mar 13 #1
About to find out if he ignores court orders and... NotHardly Mar 13 #14
What happens when they ignore it? XanaDUer2 Mar 13 #2
That's gonna leave a mark! Ford_Prefect Mar 13 #3
I notice HHS is not on this list tonekat Mar 13 #4
They only recently started doing that BumRushDaShow Mar 13 #7
So and then Abstractartist Mar 13 #5
Judge orders Trump officials to offer jobs back to fired probationary workers LetMyPeopleVote Mar 13 #6
"I tend to doubt that you're telling me the truth." GiqueCee Mar 13 #9
'I'm getting mad': Judge reams Trump lawyers and threatens mass rehiring over 'sham' docs LetMyPeopleVote Mar 13 #19
Courts are where brakester Mar 14 #22
As the employer you must abide by the law. That is new territory to Trump. He never has. twodogsbarking Mar 13 #8
You are about to see the Reason DENVERPOPS Mar 13 #10
excuse me? NJCher Mar 13 #12
Obama and Biden did the same with a plethora of liberal/progressive jurists BumRushDaShow Mar 13 #13
Now let's see if they follow the judge's orders. wordstroken Mar 13 #11
What ever you do for employees they will do for you. Whatever you do to employees they will do to you. twodogsbarking Mar 13 #15
Fuck you Elon! Initech Mar 13 #16
What a total cluster fuck this admin is. Bristlecone Mar 13 #17
GOOD NEWS!!! elleng Mar 13 #18
Trump is begging SCrOTUS intervene. pfitz59 Mar 13 #20
They NEED to refuse to hear that ridiculousness and bat it away BumRushDaShow Mar 13 #21
Trump and Musk answer: "Make me!" So how does the judge make them obey his ruling? elocs Mar 14 #23

NotHardly

(2,072 posts)
14. About to find out if he ignores court orders and...
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:39 PM
Mar 13

if we are at the point the Criminal Empire and ignore the court orders. Sh*t met fan.

BumRushDaShow

(151,210 posts)
7. They only recently started doing that
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:31 PM
Mar 13

This was an earlier case.

There was a suit filed a couple days ago that covered HHS -

Trump administration sued over mass firings by workers at five agencies

By Daniel Wiessner
March 11, 2025 3:22 PM EDT Updated 2 days ago


March 11 (Reuters) - A group of U.S. government employees who lost their jobs as part of President Donald Trump's purge of the federal workforce filed a lawsuit on Tuesday claiming the mass firings of recently-hired workers is illegal and should be reversed. The proposed class action in Washington, D.C. federal court appears to be the first of its kind against the Trump administration by probationary government employees, who typically have spent less than a year in their current roles and have fewer job protections than other federal workers.

Unions that have sued over the mass firings of thousands of probationary workers are facing procedural hurdles, and Tuesday's lawsuit says political turmoil at the board that hears federal workers' appeals of their terminations may render that process futile.
"What is needed is for this court to order the defendant agencies to return all affected employees to work for at least the pendency of this litigation," the plaintiffs said in the complaint.

(snip)

The lawsuit was filed by eight probationary employees who were fired over the last few weeks and are seeking to represent a class of more than 4,000 people at the five agencies where they worked. They claim the mass firings violated workers' due process rights under the U.S. Constitution and were improper because agencies did not identify performance issues on a case-by-case basis or give workers an opportunity to respond.

The plaintiffs worked at the Department of Veterans Affairs, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Treasury Department, the Commerce Department, and the General Services Administration.

(snip)


Also earlier "class action" with some other agencies - https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143411938

Abstractartist

(226 posts)
5. So and then
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:13 PM
Mar 13

And then what? Probationary employees will then be fired in 90 days. They will come up with bullshit reasons. The left in congress MUST vote against anything coming up for vote and Senate must filibuster to get 60 vote for passage…. This shit must stop.

DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS……TIME TO GROW A PAIR AND QUIT BRINGING A STICK TO A GUN FIGHT…..HELP YOUR CONSTITUENTS OR STEP DOWN AND GET OUT.

LetMyPeopleVote

(162,013 posts)
6. Judge orders Trump officials to offer jobs back to fired probationary workers
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:20 PM
Mar 13

These firings were all in violation of the Reduction in Force Act. This judge is really pissed at the DOJ and is accusing them of lying



https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2025/03/13/trump-probationary-federal-worker-firings-judge-ruling/

SAN FRANCISCO — A federal judge on Thursday ordered the Trump administration to offer jobs back to all probationary employees who were fired last month from the departments of Agriculture, Defense, Energy, Interior, Treasury and Veterans Affairs under directions by the Office of Personnel Management, a ruling that could reinstate thousands of employees who were ousted as part of the president’s push to slash the federal workforce.

Judge William Alsup said at a hearing in U.S. District Court in San Francisco that OPM — which serves as the federal government’s human resources agency — had no legal authority to direct the mass firings in phone calls and written communications last month. He added that individual agencies could follow the steps laid out in a federal law called the Reduction in Force Act to pare back their staffs.

The ruling marked the most significant challenge so far to President Donald Trump’s effort to shrink and reshape the sprawling, 2.3-million person federal workforce. Alsup also extended a temporary restraining order he had granted last month to a group of labor unions and advocacy groups who sued over the terminations.

This judge is accusing the DOJ of lying and presenting false documents
Alsup castigated a Justice Department attorney arguing on behalf of the Trump administration for submitting “sham” documents and “stonewalling” efforts to gather facts and testimony, incensed that the acting director of OPM, Charles Ezell, refused to testify in court Thursday as the judge had previously ordered.

“I tend to doubt that you’re telling me the truth,” Alsup told Assistant U.S. Attorney Kelsey Helland, the lone Justice Department lawyer at the hearing.

“You will not bring the people here to be cross-examined,” the judge said. “You’re afraid to do so, because … it would reveal the truth. This is the U.S. District Court. … I’ve been practicing or serving in this court for over 50 years, and I know how we get to the truth.”

Lying to a federal judge is never a good idea

GiqueCee

(2,143 posts)
9. "I tend to doubt that you're telling me the truth."
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:16 PM
Mar 13

Well, Judge Alsup, as you say, you've been at this for 50 years and change, and you're starting to get the hang of it, so I'm sure you know that, if a Republican's lips are moving, it is lying. Truth is to a Republican as water is to the Wicked Witch of the West. But, sadly, they do not melt.

LetMyPeopleVote

(162,013 posts)
19. 'I'm getting mad': Judge reams Trump lawyers and threatens mass rehiring over 'sham' docs
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 04:27 PM
Mar 13

You do not lie or try to mislead a federal judge. This judge is pissed
https://bsky.app/profile/dwilliams1210.bsky.social/post/3lkbl2qvhk22i



https://www.rawstory.com/william-alsup-trump-lawyers/

U.S. District Court Judge William Alsup blasted attorneys for the Trump administration after he said he suspected they were lying and giving him "sham" documents.

At a hearing on Thursday, Alsup became angry after acting Office of Personnel Management (OPM) Director Charles Ezell refused an order to testify on the Trump administration's mass firings. The case was brought in February by the American Federation of Government Employees.

"You will not bring the people in here to be cross-examined. You're afraid to do so because you know cross-examination would reveal the truth," the judge told government lawyers, according to Slate's Mark Joseph Stern.

"I tend to doubt that you're telling me the truth whenever we hear all the evidence eventually. Why can't you bring your people in to be cross-examined or deposed at their convenience?" he continued. "I said two hours for Mr. Ezell. A deposition at his convenience. And you withdrew his declaration rather than do that? Come on. That's a sham. It upsets me, I want you to know that."

"I've been practicing in this court for over 50 years and I know how we get at the truth. And you're not helping me get at the truth. You're giving me press releases, sham documents. I'm getting mad."

brakester

(332 posts)
22. Courts are where
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 04:14 PM
Mar 14

the rubber meets the road. Finally a group of educated and morally upright officials that believe in Truth! How refreshing!!!

One question, though, the judge stated, "I’ve been practicing or serving in this court for over 50 years, and I know how we get to the truth.”

How come he didn't order the LEOs to bring Ezell to his courtroom or send him to jail to cool his jets?

So, did Alsup really get to the Truth?

DENVERPOPS

(11,848 posts)
10. You are about to see the Reason
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:23 PM
Mar 13

that for decades, the Republicans have been stuffing the "Appellate" courts with appointed Judges who are hard core Republicans.....

NJCher

(39,859 posts)
12. excuse me?
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:32 PM
Mar 13

It's more a 50/50 type of situation.

snip

As of January 2, 2025, of the 179 Courts of Appeals judges, 89 were appointed by Republican presidents, and 88 by Democratic presidents. Out of the 13 federal appeals courts, Democratic appointees have a majority on 7 courts, whereas Republican appointees have a majority on 6 courts.[4]

snip

above from Wikipedia.

I'm not aware of any study that guages whether a republic judge is "hard core." If you would, please, advise me of the attitudinal study for that statement.

BumRushDaShow

(151,210 posts)
13. Obama and Biden did the same with a plethora of liberal/progressive jurists
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:36 PM
Mar 13

We have spent the past couple years seeing case after case of GOP loons specifically going to that same one set of Districts under the 5th Circuit.

But now you are seeing Democrats going to the Districts under OTHER Appellate jurisdictions (1st & 9th, along with D.C.).

twodogsbarking

(13,430 posts)
15. What ever you do for employees they will do for you. Whatever you do to employees they will do to you.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:40 PM
Mar 13

Boss don't wanna hear that shit though.

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