Columbia University expels some students who seized building last year, suspends others
Source: CBS News
Columbia University says it has expelled or suspended some students who took over a campus building during pro-Palestinian protests last spring, and had temporarily revoked the diplomas of some students who have since graduated.
In a campus-wide email sent Thursday, the university said its judicial board had issued its sanctions against dozens of students who occupied Hamilton Hall based on its "evaluation of the severity of behaviors."
The university did not provide a breakdown of how many students were expelled, suspended or had their degree revoked.
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JohnSJ
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MarineCombatEngineer
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womanofthehills
(9,688 posts)Trump is very wrong in doing this but it looks like he’s doing what his billionaire donors want.
I assume you have avoided looking at the daily horrific images of the shredded, burnt and mutilated toddler bodies. You think college kids should be just fine with watching a real life genocide on their phones everyday?
Jewish Voice for Peace -
“As Jews, we are taking over the Trump Tower to register our mass refusal. We will not stand by as this fascist regime attempts to criminalize Palestinians and all those calling for an end to the Israeli government’s US-funded genocide of the Palestinian people. And we will never stop fighting for a free Palestine.“
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19 million Americans who voted for Joe in 2020 stayed home in 2024 according to YouGov poll - main reason- genocide!!
NoRethugFriends
(3,294 posts)Now that the election's over, and Trump is doing horrible stuff, they don't give a damn.
Fuck em.
moonshinegnomie
(3,316 posts)i would think the students would have a strong case for suing
Dumpy
(101 posts)Degrees are generally revoked for reasons such as:
Academic Misconduct: This includes fraud, misrepresentation, plagiarism, or falsification of data during the degree-earning process. For example, if a student cheated on exams, fabricated research, or lied on their application, the university could determine the degree was not legitimately earned.
Severe Violations Pre-Graduation: Serious breaches of university policy committed before graduation, even if discovered later, can lead to revocation. This might include ethical violations or criminal behavior tied to the academic process.
Administrative Authority: The power to revoke a degree typically rests with high-ranking officials, such as the Provost or a governing board (e.g., the University Senate or Trustees), following a formal investigation and review process. This ensures due process, including notifying the individual and allowing them to respond.
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moniss
(7,129 posts)student the f**king tuition and fees back. They bought and paid for that diploma. It is a tangible thing of value.
iemanja
(55,877 posts)the free speech those students engaged in is disgusting. It’s support for authoritarianism. Columbia is doing this because of Trump’s revocation of millions of dollars in grants, something the anti-free speech proponents likely support. While they applaud the attack on higher education, they stand with the far right and its efforts to turn the USA into Russia or Nazi Germany. It’s incredibly short-sighted since the right’s ultimate goal is to see all Jews dead. If anyone believes Trump cares about antisemitism, they are woefully gullible. Neo-Nazis fill his base as well as close advisors like Miller and Musk. What Trump hates is Muslims, while he promotes the same ethnic cleansing as championed by Israel’s current government. Bibi, for example, voiced no opposition to Trump’s plan to remove all Palestinians from Gaza and turn it into a resort.
I wonder if those who applaud these actions wanted Vietnam protestors stripped of their degrees or deported as well, or perhaps their embrace of authoritarianism is limited to Muslims? Do they also support the shackling and deportation of Latinos and Canadians, the latter for a crime of an incomplete visa, the former for being undocumented or American citizens born to undocumented parents? The actions are all connected. This pretense of a concern about crime is a transparent ruse to abolish free speech.
Striking workers regularly engage in the kind of civil disobedience that these students did. The result is fines, not being stripped of their jobs or deported. Does no one learn any history? Haymarket was a crime, a rather serious one. It’s also part of the history of labor formation in this country. Anarchism and Socialism were crimes, but those movements gave us the 8 hr day.
Then there is the Civil Rights movement, where civil disobedience was common. They occupied buildings through sit ins. Would you have had them expelled, stripped of Degrees and deported as well? If the answer is no, the only explanation is hypocrisy of the worst kind, since it is aligned with authoritarianism.
intelpug
(127 posts)While the right's of student's to protest against policies and for various causes is a paramount right to exercise upon campus when they go to the extreme of taking over buildings, At what point do they violate the right's of other student's who are not part of their protest of their right to attend a college free of disruption and harassment while they try to get their education in a non hostile, positive environment? While activism is encouraged on one hand such as peaceful protest the universities primarily function is as a place for higher learning, Not to provide a format for airing one's political views
iemanja
(55,877 posts)and respond to the points I made. Perhaps you did read it and chose to ignore the historical parallels? I take it then, that you opposed the Civil Rights movement, Vietnam protests, and union movements? Or is your scorn reserved for Muslims alone? If so, you have proved my point.
intelpug
(127 posts)Your point's are your view's, That's it. "Historical parallels" often superficaly resemble each other but diverge other way's after that. Thirty year's ago we often heard then that " well America is exactly in the same place the Roman empire was in at this point in time'' , " Ohh lord, This country is going the way of the Roman empire'' down to ruin, ect, ect ad nauseum. As for civil rights, Vietnam protest's ect. you take it then that I must be against all of these movements, The last, "labor movements' is especially hilarious given that I am an active member in my union. Is my scorn for Muslims alone? I do not recall anywhere saying that I was against the subject of their protest, just the way they carried out part's of it, By your logic then I guess you also approved of the Bundy's taking over the Malheur wildlife refuge offices in order to advance their "protest. Since you do not know me you cannot possibly even guess what I am thinking about these other topics however if you have "Proved your point'' to yourself right on, no problem for me at all, I'll just stand by what I said
iemanja
(55,877 posts)What I demonstrated, factually, is that the movements I sited used similar and more violent tactics than did the pro-Palestinian protests. Most Democrats, yourself included, support these movements, at least retroactively. The difference lies in the content of their speech, something you welcome seeing punished despite the fact that entails an alliance with the Trump administration’s authoritarian efforts to undermine and eradicate the First Amendment. You may think all that is happening now is fine because Trump has chosen easy targets, among them Palestinians and universities. You don’t like the pro-Palestinian protestors and are happy to see them punished, yet you seemingly fail to see the context: that this is one prong in Trump’s efforts to destroy constitutional protections and establish a fully totalitarian state. The First Amendment doesn’t exist to protect speech we all agree with. Its importance lies in its protection of speech we find disagreeable. The evocation of crimes such as occupying buildings is not a legitimate reason to support the administration’s actions if you support the historical movements you claim to. It is rather hypocritical and dangerously so.
maxsolomon
(36,391 posts)The "right's of other student's who are not part of their protest of their right to attend a college free of disruption and harassment while they try to get their education in a non hostile, positive environment"?
That's not a right.
Polybius
(19,822 posts)The rest of your point stands.
maxsolomon
(36,391 posts)Yes, some kinds of harassment are illegal.
I am not talking about their right's to stage a protest however when it comes to taking over buildings they certainly are disrupting and impacting other students, Do other student's at the college have a valid expectation to be able to access these buildings to carry on their normal activities or is it contingent only upon what protest group may have decided to "Use'' it for that day?
Well then if it is not a right someone forgot to tell the Governor of New York Kathy Hochul that since she practically made the same statement word for word at the time
Jose Garcia
(3,163 posts)This isn't a Right vs Left issue. It's a Most People vs Far-Left one.
President Biden rightly condemned what was happening at Columbia:
The situation at Columbia has even drawn the attention of the White House, joining local leaders in urging calm.
“While every American has the right to peaceful protest, calls for violence and physical intimidation targeting Jewish students and the Jewish community are blatantly antisemitic, unconscionable, and dangerous,” White House spokesperson Andrew Bates said in a statement shared with CNN on Sunday. The statement did not include examples of those incidents.
President Joe Biden similarly said Sunday, “Even in recent days, we’ve seen harassment and calls for violence against Jews. This blatant antisemitism is reprehensible and dangerous – and it has absolutely no place on college campuses, or anywhere in our country.” The situation at Columbia has even drawn the attention of the White House, joining local leaders in urging calm.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/21/us/columbia-university-jewish-students-protests/index.html
iemanja
(55,877 posts)Why are there no criminal charges against them? That tells me they did not engage in physical intimidation. Biden's comments were not about these particular individuals. Yet you would paint them all with a broach brush because you oppose their cause.
And thanks for confirming that your opposition is entirely due to their speech, which regardless of its content is protected by the First amendment, as you well know. Nazis marched in Skokie, Illinois and participated in the hateful protests in Charlotte, yet regardless of how reprehensible we find their speech, it is protected by the Constitution. Siding with Trump over the constitution is nothing to feel proud of. I also find interesting that those who would see Palestinians deported can't find a word of condemnation about Musk's Holocaust denial.
Beastly Boy
(12,063 posts)They didn't beat the Jew up, but they intimidated him into leaving, accompanied by shouts of "keep walking!"
Why are there no criminal charges against them? Good question. Hopefully, some of them got suspended or expelled, as per the OP.
EX500rider
(11,778 posts)......breaking the law and taking over campus buildings can have negative effects, who'd guessed?
iemanja
(55,877 posts)Citizen status of protestors. The repercussions have nothing to do with visas or citizenship. In Khalil’s case, the Trump administration has stipulated that he is charged with no crime.
This is all part of the Trump administration’s efforts to undermine the First Amendment and establish a fully totalitarian state. He’s selected easy targets, so easy that Democrats like yourself are willing to go along with Trump’s totalitarian actions. I would suggest you think about the broader context before so gleefully accepting this particular component of his agenda.
EX500rider
(11,778 posts)Hijacking a campus Building and barricading yourself in and forcing the police to remove you might also have consequences.
iemanja
(55,877 posts)Not expulsion and revocation of degrees. Moreover, this is far more important than the fate of these students. It's about
Trump's efforts to establish authoritarian rule. Discussions on this and other issues have shown me how Hitler was able to rise to power.
MichMan
(14,970 posts)How does that counter my point that legal punishments are usually fines?
MichMan
(14,970 posts)If taking over a building, preventing employees from leaving and acts of vandalism is not worthy of being expelled, what is?
iemanja
(55,877 posts)At my university, protesters occupied the administrative building. Employees were locked inside. The protesters were arrested and shortly released. That would not have happened had there been a charge of false imprisonment.
You are ignoring my main point, that this is all connected to the Trump administration's efforts to impose authoritarian rule. You are supportive of Columbia's retaliation against students, which is turn came about as a result of Trump's revocation of 400 million dollars in grants and its demands to control the content of instruction and admissions in its international affairs program. Do you support that as well? Do you justify governmental control over private education and speech because you dislike the content of the speech the protesters engaged in? Do you not understand that would amount to collaboration with authoritarianism? Would you see institutions of higher education decimated and civil liberties revoked simply because you don't like the content of speech? Because that is what this is about. Your points are distraction designed to justify your support for the eradication of this particular kind of speech.
if you think occupying buildings justifies any and all actions that the government takes against protesters and an institution of higher education, how do you not apply the same standard to the Civil Rights movement? The difference lies in the content of the speech and their causes. Is that how you justify authoritarianism in the modern case--simply because you disagree with it?
If we don't stand up to authoritarianism, what hope is there for our country?
Note that this is also connected to Trump's assault on the press. The goal is both cases is an authoritarian state. It is short-sighted to put your disagreement with the protesters' cause over the authoritarian project it is connected to.
MichMan
(14,970 posts)Neither is anti semitism towards Jewish students. I guess we just disagree.
iemanja
(55,877 posts)Is most certainly free speech. Speech is not limited to noble ideas but also the most repugnant, and that is what the First Amendment protects.
I’m sorry you refuse to see the larger picture. America cannot afford its denial.
rollin74
(2,165 posts)which, in New York, carries a possible prison sentence of up to 7 years
the ones getting expelled or suspended are getting off easy
MichMan
(14,970 posts)as a form of protest.
iemanja
(55,877 posts)including occupying buildings and sit ins. Those consequences are typically fines, not deportation, expulsion, and revocation of degrees.
womanofthehills
(9,688 posts)BREAKING: Jewish Voice for Peace is leading a sit-in in the lobby of Trump tower to demand the release of Mahmoud Khalil.
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NoRethugFriends
(3,294 posts)is mostly anti-Jewish. You could look it up if you cared to.
LudwigPastorius
(12,286 posts)But, revoking a person's degree should only come into play for more serious crimes, like insurrection, theft of classified documents, or sexual assault.
snot
(11,025 posts)"And Henry David Thoreau he went to prison, he refused to pay his poll tax [levied as a fixed sum without reference to income or resources], and [Ralph Waldo] Emerson, I'll call them HT and RW, and RW came to visit HT and said what are you doing here, buddy? And HT said, why aren’t you here? This is the only place for a moral person in an immoral world."
stoned
(334 posts)Did anyone bother to read the campus policies when they enrolled and paid tuition? If they actually "seized a building" then I assume this, at a minimum, violates campus policy, and whatever punishments laid out in the student handbook (theoretically up to and including diploma revocation) can occur.
As others have said, FAFO.
BlueHurricane
(50 posts)This is so obviously because the Felon (R) just cancelled $400M of grant money to Colombia. Throw a whole bunch of students under the bus and try to save your precious grant money. You think it stops here? What will the Felon (R) want next?