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BumRushDaShow

(151,210 posts)
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:09 AM Mar 14

'We did not vote for this': Trump-backing farmers in 'state of shock' over tariff chaos

Source: Raw Story

March 14, 2025 7:50AM ET


The nonstop chaos that President Donald Trump is delivering with his erratic tariff policies and spending cuts is already hurting many farmers who voted for him in the 2024 presidential election.

In an interview with NBC News, West Virginia farmer Jennifer Gilkerson revealed that cuts to a key United States Department of Agriculture program have left her with a large stash of unsold freeze-dried fruits that she had spent thousands of dollars producing under the assumption that they would be bought by local schools.

“We’re just in such a state of shock," she told NBC. "We just don’t really even know how to respond to all this. We thought that this was sacred and really untouchable. So it’s just quite a shock and very devastating. Everyone thinks all farmers voted for this, but we did not vote for this."

Iowa farmer Bob Hemesath, meanwhile, told NBC that he cannot handle a long-term trade war with America's top trading partners. "I know that this is the way President Trump believes he’s going to create better markets long term," he said. "I hope he’s correct. But my fear is that once you lose those markets to other suppliers, it’s very hard to get them back."

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/trump-farmers-2671327372/



You voted to get rid of the "illegals" and "woke" and "DEI" and to "own the libs". Everyone saw what happened with the tariff fiasco during the first term (which at that time was ONLY China), so why anyone would expect that this wouldn't happen again is naive - especially since this time, it's global. You just wait until they slash through that Farm Bill. I am sorry for all the farmers who are Democrats who are paying a price for those who voted for the face-eating Leopard party and thought they were "one of the leopards".
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'We did not vote for this': Trump-backing farmers in 'state of shock' over tariff chaos (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 14 OP
"Stupid is as stupid does" SSJVegeta Mar 14 #1
They Absolutely DID vote for this... B.See Mar 14 #92
Ive made horrible mistakes before too. SSJVegeta Mar 14 #110
Yup. tRump had to use taxpayer dollars. The bill came to ONE THIRD of farm income Bernardo de La Paz Mar 14 #127
That's right. And even after the bailouts, B.See Mar 15 #132
One goal of tRump & Oligarch destruction of government is to buy up farms of bankrupt farmers, so first bankrupt them.nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 15 #133
No empathy until it hits them... amusing & sad, but f*ck them. NotHardly Mar 14 #97
There are none so blind as those that choose not to see. Midnight Writer Mar 14 #2
Yep, they didn't vote for their crops and money going to rot and waste... brush Mar 14 #16
WillFULLY deaf,dumb,AND blind. BattleRow Mar 14 #36
They voted for a 34-times convicted fraudster Trust_Reality Mar 14 #44
Uh, yes you actually did vote for this and... kerouac2 Mar 14 #3
Agree 100%. mwmisses4289 Mar 14 #4
And enlarge your hen house,lots of chickens returning to the roost. BattleRow Mar 14 #33
So...you farmers going to vote for Democrats in the mid-terms?? Bengus81 Mar 14 #5
Nice joke about them voting Democratic.... Old Crank Mar 14 #12
That's why it's so pointless to beat up on Democrats for the things done by Republicans. travelingthrulife Mar 14 #64
Its julmur Mar 14 #76
Reporters should follow up a response like "I didn't vote for this!" with "Well, what did you vote for?" sop Mar 14 #6
You did vote for this. Renew Deal Mar 14 #7
They stopped listening...... SergeStorms Mar 14 #98
WAIT, STOP!!! HE'S FUCKING OVER THE WRONG PEOPLE!!! Wingus Dingus Mar 14 #8
Exactly. Ray Bruns Mar 14 #18
Wwaaa-aaahh-hhh. I voted for leopards to eat those other people's faces. nt hvn_nbr_2 Mar 14 #49
These people ALL voted for trump. mwb970 Mar 14 #9
Trump stated again and again that his primary economic policy was tariffs Prairie Gates Mar 14 #10
IIRC, he wanted to "replace income taxes with tariffs". BumRushDaShow Mar 14 #15
I didn't vote for "this" either, BUT BOSSHOG Mar 14 #11
Yes you did vote for that Vogon_Glory Mar 14 #13
He did it to them in his first term. They are stupid to be surprised he did it to them again Bernardo de La Paz Mar 14 #125
Sorry dude. He told you. We told you. Project 2025 told you Old Crank Mar 14 #14
plato told Prairie Gates Mar 14 #19
They still believed his LIES! Justice matters. Mar 14 #86
Boo hoo we can do it Mar 14 #17
During trump's first term Americanme Mar 14 #20
And that was a trade war with only ONE country - China BumRushDaShow Mar 14 #25
Wrong. tRump also put tariffs on Canada for about a year in 2018, there were global tariffs and retaliatory tariffs Bernardo de La Paz Mar 14 #123
Thank you BumRushDaShow Mar 14 #124
Only difference is k55f5r Mar 14 #99
Those farmers are probably like we didn't vote for this oldmanlynn Mar 14 #21
Yeah, you did fucking vote for it. Autumn Mar 14 #22
Oh yes, you did vote for this CountAllVotes Mar 14 #23
Fuck you, trump-voting farmers. Paladin Mar 14 #24
but but buttt CountAllVotes Mar 14 #28
Yes you did. BlueTsunami2018 Mar 14 #26
Yes they certainly did vote for this ... FakeNoose Mar 14 #72
trump supporters voted for this and much worse - they just believed it would be other people being hurt samsingh Mar 14 #27
GD idiots. Irish_Dem Mar 14 #29
Thoughts and prayers, morons GoYouPackersGo Mar 14 #30
No you voted for mass deportation, denying reproductive rights, LuvLoogie Mar 14 #31
To paraphrase The Dalai Lama "When you realize you have fucked up take immediate steps to correct it". twodogsbarking Mar 14 #32
He was only supposed to hurt other people, not me Mr. Sparkle Mar 14 #34
He even TOLD them he didn't need them, didn't care about them Attilatheblond Mar 14 #47
Y'all were too drunk on nationalism and xenophobia to listen to the truth. harun Mar 14 #35
No you didnt vote for this.. Playingmantis Mar 14 #37
TSF clearly stated that he would use tariffs! Hope22 Mar 14 #38
Yup. Full immersion hate. They reveled in it. travelingthrulife Mar 14 #69
BOO HOO robleb Mar 14 #39
They knew, they chose Blue Full Moon Mar 14 #40
Did they ignore his major campaign issues and his entire life? IronLionZion Mar 14 #41
To quote the character played by Samuel L. Jackson in "Pulp Fiction" before... NNadir Mar 14 #42
This is what happens when you allow generations of inbreeding in a high arsenic environment. Gum Logger Mar 14 #43
Awww, buyer's remorse. hadEnuf Mar 14 #45
Anybody see some farmer's faces? Botany Mar 14 #46
Ok, I couldn't help but chuckle at "sacred and untouchable " Raven123 Mar 14 #48
It - and specifically the Farm Bill BumRushDaShow Mar 14 #50
Jeez, stop whining and start pulling on those bootstraps. Personal responsibility and all that. Hotler Mar 14 #51
Trump loves the uneducated. C_U_L8R Mar 14 #52
BumRushDaShow,,,,,,,,,, Upthevibe Mar 14 #53
Yes. You. Did. underpants Mar 14 #54
If you voted for trump kacekwl Mar 14 #55
Welcome them to the resistance Nasruddin Mar 14 #56
If we can tear them away from Faux Noise and talk radio long enough Wednesdays Mar 14 #71
Plus, they don't read. Any thinking person who reads LuckyLib Mar 14 #111
Reaping what they sow. Sneederbunk Mar 14 #57
Earth to farmers: ermmm, yes you did! ananda Mar 14 #58
We farm. We are Democrats. murielm99 Mar 14 #59
... orangecrush Mar 14 #60
The face-eating Leopard party Wednesdays Mar 14 #61
No pity UpInArms Mar 14 #84
The stupid burns. Good. Tootbsb Mar 14 #62
Great slogan I saw the other day - Eva Jo Mar 14 #63
Midterm political sign: Trueblue Texan Mar 14 #65
"I hope he's correct." ToxMarz Mar 14 #66
The trouble with Trump supporters is that they can't cherry pick the horrible stuff that Trump promised to do. patphil Mar 14 #67
They can wear their MAGA hats to their foreclosures. dem4decades Mar 14 #68
They hate Socialism, except for multigraincracker Mar 14 #74
My buddy was a dairy farmer, he got a nice check from the government every year. dem4decades Mar 14 #81
Lots of science in dairy farming. Production and breeding. multigraincracker Mar 14 #89
Too bad they wouldn't listen to warnings just because the warnings came from Democrats. Beartracks Mar 14 #70
Stupid, idiotic Trump-supporting farmers. He already did this during his first term. What did these morons Martin68 Mar 14 #73
King Minus, everything he touches turns rusty orange. multigraincracker Mar 14 #75
How's that border wall coming along? GITMO? Simple solutions make for simple minded voters. GreenWave Mar 14 #77
Trump told these morons he was going to enact tariffs. GoodRaisin Mar 14 #78
You did vote for this. You voted for the white man. Demobrat Mar 14 #79
Huh? Beowulf42 Mar 14 #80
Yes, you did Brett! Yes you did! ck4829 Mar 14 #82
Actually, ya dumbasses, you DID vote for that. You just thought it would only hurt those "other" people and not you. nt CousinIT Mar 14 #83
Oh FFS av8rdave Mar 14 #85
Hard to feel sorry for them. calimary Mar 14 #87
"But my fear is that once you lose those markets to other suppliers, it's very hard to get them back." orleans Mar 14 #88
I've been using this meme a lot lately... CaptainTruth Mar 14 #90
Excellent! BumRushDaShow Mar 14 #95
It's great isn't it??? CaptainTruth Mar 14 #131
Farm Around and Find Out perdita9 Mar 14 #91
Sorry there, Farmer Bill, but you DID vote for this. Aristus Mar 14 #93
They did vote for it creon Mar 14 #94
You DID vote for this... EarthFirst Mar 14 #96
Yes, West Virginia farmer Jennifer Gilkerson... sarisataka Mar 14 #100
Yes you did. Dawson Leery Mar 14 #101
True. You voted for him because you thought he'd hurt OTHER people. Scrivener7 Mar 14 #102
"Ha ha. Suckers and losers. Ha ha." - Krasnov-47 (R -Felon) & Billionaire Bros (R) BoRaGard Mar 14 #103
Something just occurred to me. Maybe this is part of the plan? Buddyzbuddy Mar 14 #104
"Fool me once, shame on you.. Fool me twice shame on me." TexLaProgressive Mar 14 #105
Oh yes you did! JustAnotherGen Mar 14 #106
You voted for Trump, then you voted for everything happening right now. Solly Mack Mar 14 #107
It isn't relevant that they are farmers Cirsium Mar 14 #108
Republicans Represent 81 of Top 100 Ag Production Districts progressoid Mar 14 #114
Sure Cirsium Mar 14 #119
Regarding this - BumRushDaShow Mar 14 #117
No question Cirsium Mar 14 #120
Boo Hoo, I'm a farmer, you owe me, you are hurting my bottom line. republianmushroom Mar 14 #109
Actually, They Did erpowers Mar 14 #112
Voting Against One's Self Interest erpowers Mar 14 #113
FAFO evolves Mar 14 #115
Oh yes you DID. calimary Mar 14 #116
Remember, We didn't vote for this, Old Crank Mar 14 #118
Farmers most certainly did vote for this. He did it to them last time and he promised to do it again ... marble falls Mar 14 #121
Strange bedfellows: We were betrayed, we did not vote for this, said ... JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 14 #122
That is a LIE. This is EXACTLY what you voted for. RockRaven Mar 14 #126
better luck next time idiots. Blues Heron Mar 14 #128
"we did not vote for this" Ruby the Liberal Mar 14 #129
FFS. Maybe next time know something about who you vote for. D23MIURG23 Mar 14 #130

B.See

(5,195 posts)
92. They Absolutely DID vote for this...
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 12:18 PM
Mar 14

Because Trump did this to them during his LAST occupation, yet they all skedaddled out to vote for him again.

Serves em right, imo.

SSJVegeta

(397 posts)
110. Ive made horrible mistakes before too.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 03:07 PM
Mar 14

But usually learn the first time after something as horrible as Trump (like burning my groin with an iron, or wilingly stepping on sharded glass). If they don't learn after this, I don't know what to say about this country...

Bernardo de La Paz

(54,847 posts)
127. Yup. tRump had to use taxpayer dollars. The bill came to ONE THIRD of farm income
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 07:11 PM
Mar 14

In July 2018, the Trump administration announced it would use a Great Depression-era program, the Commodity Credit Corporation (CCC), to pay farmers up to $12 billion, increasing the transfers to farmers to $28 billion in May 2019.[13] The USDA estimated that aid payments constituted more than one-third of total farm income in 2019 and 2020.[14][15]


A study published in fall 2019 in the Journal of Economic Perspectives found that by December 2018, Trump's tariffs resulted in a reduction in aggregate U.S. real income of $1.4 billion per month in deadweight losses, and cost U.S. consumers an additional $3.2 billion per month in added tax.[24] The study's authors noted that these were conservative measures of the losses from the tariffs, because they did not take account of the tariffs' effects in reducing the variety of products available to consumers, or the tariff-related costs attributable to policy uncertainty or the fixed costs incurred by companies to reorganize their global supply chains.[24] A study by Federal Reserve Board economists found that the tariffs reduced employment in the American manufacturing sector.[206][207]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Trump_tariffs

B.See

(5,195 posts)
132. That's right. And even after the bailouts,
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 01:08 PM
Mar 15

Many farmers suffered and some even LOST THEIR FARMS, quiet as Trump's s--- is always kept, relatively speaking.

Bernardo de La Paz

(54,847 posts)
133. One goal of tRump & Oligarch destruction of government is to buy up farms of bankrupt farmers, so first bankrupt them.nt
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 01:24 PM
Mar 15

brush

(59,625 posts)
16. Yep, they didn't vote for their crops and money going to rot and waste...
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:27 AM
Mar 14

but they did vote for trump. Too bad, they FAFO. Rethus'll do it to you every time.

Trust_Reality

(2,154 posts)
44. They voted for a 34-times convicted fraudster
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 10:39 AM
Mar 14

Not to mention numerous additional accusations.
Twice impeached.
And numerous other indications of missing integrity.
Voting like a fool has consequences.

kerouac2

(1,157 posts)
3. Uh, yes you actually did vote for this and...
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:12 AM
Mar 14

Since you're a farmer, you can reap what you sow.

Bengus81

(8,713 posts)
5. So...you farmers going to vote for Democrats in the mid-terms??
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:17 AM
Mar 14

Nah...they'll vote all Republicans just knowing it will all be different this time. You'd think some of these reporters might think to ask them that question just to watch them squirm.

travelingthrulife

(2,117 posts)
64. That's why it's so pointless to beat up on Democrats for the things done by Republicans.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 11:25 AM
Mar 14

It doesn't matter what Democrats say or how they say it. The problem is that 30+% of the country has been completely radicalized into hating Democrats by our media. They have been taught since Reagan to also disbelieve government documents and statistics. You cannot use facts with them.

They don't even know why they hate Democrats. Our response to Schumer proves to them that Democrats are bad. They are now even more likely to believe the bs spewed by the GOP. It is counterproductive.

sop

(13,815 posts)
6. Reporters should follow up a response like "I didn't vote for this!" with "Well, what did you vote for?"
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:17 AM
Mar 14

It's obvious what these folks voted for, but it would be revealing if they were forced to actually explain it..

Renew Deal

(83,833 posts)
7. You did vote for this.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:18 AM
Mar 14

Maybe you didn't listen when he said he was going to throw around tariffs, but he told you and you supported it.

SergeStorms

(19,585 posts)
98. They stopped listening......
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 01:18 PM
Mar 14

after they heard "deport brown people," and "Murica first." After that they just switched back to AM Talk Radio and crop reports.

Prairie Gates

(4,913 posts)
10. Trump stated again and again that his primary economic policy was tariffs
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:22 AM
Mar 14

This is beyond question. He did it at every speech.

Here's something Trump never said on the campaign (that I know of): We should annex Canada.

If people claimed to be surprised by that, I couldn't blame them. But the tariffs? He has been crystal clear on this. These people didn't want to listen because they wanted the other things, and they wanted to own the libs, and they wanted to feel superior. Trump was clear on tariffs.

Vogon_Glory

(9,782 posts)
13. Yes you did vote for that
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:24 AM
Mar 14

Rural farmers who voted for Trump DID vote for what is happening, whether they want to believe it or not. Electing Trump was a package deal, whether they want to admit it or not. That means they get ALL of it, not just some of it. They didn’t just get the immigrant-bashing and bigotry, but the wholesale whirlwind they’re going through because they chose to ignore the warnings and believed the lies: lies they knew came from a habitual liar.

My sympathy is limited: they should have known better.

Bernardo de La Paz

(54,847 posts)
125. He did it to them in his first term. They are stupid to be surprised he did it to them again
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 07:05 PM
Mar 14
Canada imposed matching retaliatory tariffs on July 1, 2018.[10][11] China implemented retaliatory tariffs equivalent to the $34 billion tariff imposed on it by the U.S.[12] In July 2018, the Trump administration announced it would use a Great Depression-era program, the Commodity Credit Corporation (CCC), to pay farmers up to $12 billion, increasing the transfers to farmers to $28 billion in May 2019.[13] The USDA estimated that aid payments constituted more than one-third of total farm income in 2019 and 2020.[14][15]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Trump_tariffs

Old Crank

(5,549 posts)
14. Sorry dude. He told you. We told you. Project 2025 told you
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:26 AM
Mar 14

and you didn't believe he would do it to you, again.
This time you might not get welfare payments to stay in business like the last time.

I am hoping he will start rounding up the criminals who are hiring undocumented workers.

Prairie Gates

(4,913 posts)
19. plato told
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:28 AM
Mar 14

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(he didn’t believe it,no

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him

Justice matters.

(8,303 posts)
86. They still believed his LIES!
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 11:57 AM
Mar 14

30,000+ documented LIES in his 1st term didn't make them "think"...

And their dear convicted felon's "democrat witch hunt" LIE about his criminal acts

And his irresponsible handling of a pandemic which caused 500K+ citizens to die needlessly

F*cking idiots!

Americanme

(199 posts)
20. During trump's first term
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:29 AM
Mar 14

he started a trade war, which hurt the farmers, and eventually made them welfare queens with the bailout. So they should have known what he would do in a second term. They definitely did vote for this.

BumRushDaShow

(151,210 posts)
25. And that was a trade war with only ONE country - China
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:48 AM
Mar 14

and NOT with Canada and Mexico, let alone globally.

Bernardo de La Paz

(54,847 posts)
123. Wrong. tRump also put tariffs on Canada for about a year in 2018, there were global tariffs and retaliatory tariffs
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 06:58 PM
Mar 14

He lifted them when he signed "his" USMCA (CMUSA) trade deal (NAFTA 2.0).

In January 2018, Trump imposed tariffs on solar panels and washing machines of 30–50%.[1] In March 2018, he imposed tariffs on steel (25%) and aluminum (10%) from most countries,[2][3][4] which, according to Morgan Stanley, covered an estimated 4.1% of U.S. imports.[5] In June 2018, this was extended to the European Union, Canada, and Mexico.[3] The Trump administration separately set and escalated tariffs on goods imported from China, leading to a trade war.[6]

... Canada imposed matching retaliatory tariffs on July 1, 2018.[10][11] ...


A May 2019 analysis conducted by CNBC found Trump's tariffs are equivalent to one of the largest tax increases in the U.S. in decades.[20][21][22] Studies have found that Trump's tariffs reduced real income in the United States, as well as adversely affecting U.S. GDP.[23][24][25] Some studies also concluded that the tariffs adversely affected Republican candidates in elections.[26][27][28]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Trump_tariffs

BumRushDaShow

(151,210 posts)
124. Thank you
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 07:05 PM
Mar 14

I had a bunch of LBN OPs with all the ridiculous laundry lists of China products across a wide array of products.

oldmanlynn

(643 posts)
21. Those farmers are probably like we didn't vote for this
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:29 AM
Mar 14

They are definitely like we didn’t vote for this, but if we had to do it all over again, we’d vote for him again

CountAllVotes

(21,711 posts)
23. Oh yes, you did vote for this
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:30 AM
Mar 14

You damned idiots!

I have no sympathy for any of you greedy, hateful fools.

You were told this would happen but you wanted MORE MONEY and you thought that Don the Con would do that for you.

A little shock and awe dare one suggest?



CountAllVotes

(21,711 posts)
28. but but buttt
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:52 AM
Mar 14

Who will bail them out now?

Answer: NO ONE.

They made their beds and now they must learn to lay in them for the rest of their idiotic lives.





FakeNoose

(37,214 posts)
72. Yes they certainly did vote for this ...
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 11:34 AM
Mar 14

... and we did try to warn them but they weren't listening.

samsingh

(18,038 posts)
27. trump supporters voted for this and much worse - they just believed it would be other people being hurt
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:52 AM
Mar 14

LuvLoogie

(7,971 posts)
31. No you voted for mass deportation, denying reproductive rights,
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 10:09 AM
Mar 14

police immunity, anti DEI, anti LGBTQ-BIPOC,
anti-Ukraine/pro-Russia

You voted white grievance, like you've been doing since Reagan.


twodogsbarking

(13,430 posts)
32. To paraphrase The Dalai Lama "When you realize you have fucked up take immediate steps to correct it".
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 10:09 AM
Mar 14

Attilatheblond

(5,674 posts)
47. He even TOLD them he didn't need them, didn't care about them
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 10:47 AM
Mar 14

What kind of parenting did these people get to be OK with that?

harun

(11,370 posts)
35. Y'all were too drunk on nationalism and xenophobia to listen to the truth.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 10:12 AM
Mar 14

I am not optimistic you will sober up, but fingers crossed.

Playingmantis

(388 posts)
37. No you didnt vote for this..
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 10:15 AM
Mar 14

You voted to screw someone else over.. tough shit...no sympathy from me...reap what you have sown

Hope22

(3,912 posts)
38. TSF clearly stated that he would use tariffs!
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 10:26 AM
Mar 14

He could not have said it in plainer English! Now you have to deal with the disaster and we will all pay the price. But you weren’t worried because eventually your check always comes in the mail. Now this is the part where you find out. You did this! Hunger at home and across the planet. Disease will follow but at least you got to vote for all of the hate crap the R’s were selling.

Blue Full Moon

(2,062 posts)
40. They knew, they chose
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 10:29 AM
Mar 14

The last time he was in office he screwed them over. They just had recovered last year. He repeatedly told them that he was putting tariffs in place again but more of them. Getting whacked upside the head is the only way they will wake up to tRump's lies.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/16/politics/video/ohio-farmer-chris-gibbs-republican-democratic-biden-lcl-digvid

I really do like this guy. He spoke at the statehouse at the protest on March 4th.

IronLionZion

(48,564 posts)
41. Did they ignore his major campaign issues and his entire life?
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 10:30 AM
Mar 14

Why do MAGAts act so surprised that he's doing this? He issued tariffs and trade wars in his first term too. He promised to cut government spending and has lots of Project 2025 people in his administration. It's 2025 now.

They expected he would screw someone else.

NNadir

(35,650 posts)
42. To quote the character played by Samuel L. Jackson in "Pulp Fiction" before...
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 10:30 AM
Mar 14

...shooting his victim, "Yes you did! Yes you did!"

You voted for what you got.

hadEnuf

(3,125 posts)
45. Awww, buyer's remorse.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 10:43 AM
Mar 14

These people shit all over Democrats who were CLEARLY trying to help and defend them and voted for the asshole who openly said he was going to do the opposite. They should be rejoicing.

Botany

(73,927 posts)
46. Anybody see some farmer's faces?
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 10:45 AM
Mar 14


BTW. Dumb ass mouthing breathing Krasnov voting farmers. Didn’t they see how the farmers
had to plow their crops underground because Krasnov’s first term was such a fucking train wreck?


Raven123

(6,610 posts)
48. Ok, I couldn't help but chuckle at "sacred and untouchable "
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 10:48 AM
Mar 14

To be clear, I am not gloating over the pain farmers are feeling, but “sacred and untouchable” is delusional. Sounds like a cult.

BumRushDaShow

(151,210 posts)
50. It - and specifically the Farm Bill
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 10:53 AM
Mar 14

WAS "untouchable" - until it renewed under Obama in 2013 and then the GOP had to do "opposite" and started delaying it and delaying it. Then they started delving into it to find out what was going on there with a sudden desire to eliminate SNAP (among other things). Now it will be open season on it. The 2023 one is already on its 2nd extension.

And none of that is counting what is going on with the tariffs!

Hotler

(13,015 posts)
51. Jeez, stop whining and start pulling on those bootstraps. Personal responsibility and all that.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 10:56 AM
Mar 14

Seems to me you failed to plan.

Upthevibe

(9,485 posts)
53. BumRushDaShow,,,,,,,,,,
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 11:01 AM
Mar 14

I hope the shock wears off soon because then the pain comes.

The pain THEY voted to happen to others but not to themselves.....not one ounce of sympathy for them...

Nasruddin

(997 posts)
56. Welcome them to the resistance
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 11:14 AM
Mar 14

It’s fine to gloat in private, but in public we should be reaching out to these people.
Trump got their attention.

We need to find out more about why they voted for Trump and their Republican reps. What are those people giving them? If these voters are cultists there’s probably little value in working on them too much, but a few will flip hard.

Most of these people (I’m from this class) are like landed gentry. They talk poor, but they are not poor. They are not stupid, but their interests are local and focused and if they’re involved in local politics it is very local. Some of them are more like landlords, some absentee. They are really, really focused on money. They live well but there’s not enough margin to have much FU money. They are sort of like the upper middle class voters that Dems attract in the cities but there are some cultural differences, and many of them live in a very right wing bubble space.

Wednesdays

(20,484 posts)
71. If we can tear them away from Faux Noise and talk radio long enough
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 11:33 AM
Mar 14

As was pointed out above, 99% of them will still vote the same way in upcoming elections.

LuckyLib

(6,964 posts)
111. Plus, they don't read. Any thinking person who reads
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 03:30 PM
Mar 14

knew what the Dumpster was all about. Whenever a farmer sings the blues on a news program my hubby says, “Who’d you vote for, idiot?”

ananda

(31,534 posts)
58. Earth to farmers: ermmm, yes you did!
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 11:17 AM
Mar 14

Trump explicitly said that he would do all
the things he's done so far.

It was never a secret.

murielm99

(31,852 posts)
59. We farm. We are Democrats.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 11:19 AM
Mar 14

We vote for Democrats and we are active here. There are several farmers on our central committee.

Go out and do something instead of griping about the people who oppose you. Before the midterms, those of you who can, contact some farmers and try to persuade them to vote for Democrats.

ToxMarz

(2,364 posts)
66. "I hope he's correct."
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 11:26 AM
Mar 14

Says it all. If your really that stupid, or just a devout cult member, you should know your business better than Trump does and that he's NOT correct and hurting you badly. That these people will allow trump to destroy them rather that say anything to question him or contradict him is unbelievable. They deserve what they get, but WE DON'T

patphil

(7,716 posts)
67. The trouble with Trump supporters is that they can't cherry pick the horrible stuff that Trump promised to do.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 11:26 AM
Mar 14

They zeroed in on the stuff they wanted him to do, and sort of zoned out on the other crap. Now they're beginning to see that when you bought Trump, you bought the whole 50 lb. sack of shit that comes with him.
It's their selective ignorance, selective stupidity, selective hate that's turned on them and bit them in the butt that will be the mark of Trump's "success" as president.
He told everyone what he was going to do, and he's doing his best to deliver on the things he can.
Of course lowering prices and imposing huge tariffs are opposing ideas. Either one or the other isn't going to happen. But this time he seems determined to do the tariff thing; extending his wrecking ball policies to include the whole world.
But probably the biggest shock was how devastating the demise of USAID is to farmers. Who would have guessed that a lot of the food that agency was sending around the world was made in America?
There's an old saying, "we get too soon old, and too late smart".
In this case, smart was about 5 months too late.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2025/02/13/musk-gutting-usaid-american-farms-businesses/78382724007/

dem4decades

(12,676 posts)
81. My buddy was a dairy farmer, he got a nice check from the government every year.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 11:51 AM
Mar 14

But he's not an asshole hypocrite, Hayes MAGA.

Beartracks

(13,859 posts)
70. Too bad they wouldn't listen to warnings just because the warnings came from Democrats.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 11:33 AM
Mar 14

But if they only hang out in the rightwing media echo chamber, they probably never heard the warnings anyway.

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Martin68

(25,537 posts)
73. Stupid, idiotic Trump-supporting farmers. He already did this during his first term. What did these morons
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 11:34 AM
Mar 14

expect? They deserve what they get.

Beowulf42

(255 posts)
80. Huh?
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 11:48 AM
Mar 14

Then you weren't paying attention when Trump was tied directly to the Republicans Plan 2025, and they backed him in the election. Just another lie he told when asked about the Plan. He's dismantling our Democracy according to the plan and putting its authors in high positions.

CousinIT

(11,258 posts)
83. Actually, ya dumbasses, you DID vote for that. You just thought it would only hurt those "other" people and not you. nt
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 11:54 AM
Mar 14

av8rdave

(10,630 posts)
85. Oh FFS
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 11:56 AM
Mar 14

You morons absolutely voted for this. This is exactly what it said it was going to do, and the only consequence you could think of was “owning the libs.”

You should be permanently banned from voting for failing to demonstrating the ability to simply draw a line between two dots.

calimary

(85,966 posts)
87. Hard to feel sorry for them.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 12:00 PM
Mar 14

We DID try to warn them. And we shouldn’t allow them to forget that.

Sorry - I’m just not in much of a forgiving mood right now.

orleans

(35,924 posts)
88. "But my fear is that once you lose those markets to other suppliers, it's very hard to get them back."
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 12:00 PM
Mar 14

really? ya think, farmer bob?



well, at least you voted for the crazy, white, male, republican felon so console yourself with that

Aristus

(69,724 posts)
93. Sorry there, Farmer Bill, but you DID vote for this.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 12:19 PM
Mar 14

Try and learn something from it. Just grow the food, and let people who know what they're doing deal with the political stuff.

creon

(1,497 posts)
94. They did vote for it
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 12:20 PM
Mar 14

Those people are getting what they voted for.

They need to take their personal problem to the chaplain.

EarthFirst

(3,625 posts)
96. You DID vote for this...
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 12:53 PM
Mar 14

There couldn’t have been any clearer indication that could have been laid out in advance during the campaign.

There was literally a 900 page document that YOU decided to ignore.

The xenophobic ranting was on display in full detail; YOU chose to ignore it.

Lay with beasts; wake with fleas…

Buddyzbuddy

(746 posts)
104. Something just occurred to me. Maybe this is part of the plan?
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 01:38 PM
Mar 14

Hear me out, we know the Felon is motivated by money. Maybe breaking farmers was part of an underlying plan to buy acreage cheaply. He was foremost a developer, he doesn't need future votes and he doesn't care about who gets hurt along the way. It could be somebody else's plan and he likes the idea or he's being manipulated again?
We know he likes to watch polls and his favorability is heading straight down and yet he's not changing course. Maybe it's Leon's plan? Maybe he's angry with America about their influence in changing Apartheid? He has all the money in the world, why not buy America?

TexLaProgressive

(12,457 posts)
105. "Fool me once, shame on you.. Fool me twice shame on me."
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 01:47 PM
Mar 14

He did this to them the 1st time, he said he was going to do it agian. I mean, maybe he lies all the time, but when he has a history of doing something and he says he will again BELIEVE HIM I live in a rural area, I would say 80% are trumpians with 15% “I don’t pay attention to politics, it doesn’t affect me.”.

JustAnotherGen

(34,715 posts)
106. Oh yes you did!
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 01:49 PM
Mar 14

Liars liars pants on fire.

You don't buy 3 potato chips - you buy the entire bag.

Solly Mack

(94,843 posts)
107. You voted for Trump, then you voted for everything happening right now.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 02:14 PM
Mar 14

You heard only what you wanted to hear.

Oh, well.

Yeah, it sucks. It sucks for us all.

Cirsium

(2,357 posts)
108. It isn't relevant that they are farmers
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 02:22 PM
Mar 14

There are Trump voters in every line of work. A little over 1% of the population works on farms, and of those a small percentage are farm owners. It is not a significant voting bloc.

Federal agriculture programs are for the benefit of the eaters, not the growers.

There is a "Walter Mitty" effect among Republican voters. Walter Mitty is an American literary character created by author James Thurber a commonplace, and a "Walter Mitty" type has come to mean an unadventurous person with a boring life who seeks to escape reality through daydream and heroic fantasies.

The people voting for Trump aren't really farmers, nor are they cowboys, ranchers, lumberjacks, pioneers, etc. They identify with those professions ad the Republicans know how to cater to that, from Reagan on horseback - literally a Hollywood creation - to W's fake ranch, and Trump's he-man collectibles and YMCA theme music.

Farmers are a poor FAFO example, and the comments that people make on these threads merely illustrate the adage that never before in human existence has there been a population so ignorant about and alienated from the source of their food as contemporary Americans are.

Additionally, the examples of farmers that these stories use are highly unrepresentative. There are a number of strawberry growers here in this fruit district, and none of them are dependent upon a federal buying program. None are 100% dependent upon strawberries, as far as that goes.

The authors of these stories start out with a story line, and then go looking for examples that fit their narrative. Often, that means media savvy people, newcomers, part timers, hobbyists, and very small scale operations, people more likely to be pursuing federal grant money.

Bob Hemesath, the Iowa corn farmer mentioned in the article, is the president of Farmers for Free Trade. They are pretty confident that Trump will take are of them, the large scale livestock, grain and soy producers, and they are probably right.

From the site:

“At a time when the American agricultural economy is facing immense problems, including rising input costs, global competition, and uncertain market conditions, Secretary Rollins’ leadership will be critical in ensuring that U.S. farmers and ranchers remain competitive. Trade is central to American agriculture, with exports accounting for a significant portion of farm revenue. With key partners like Canada, Mexico, and China purchasing half of all U.S. agricultural exports, it is imperative that we maintain and expand our access to these markets. Secretary Rollins’ commitment to strengthening free trade agreements and advocating for policies that support exports will provide much-needed stability and growth for the industry."

The farmers here fall in between the two extremes of small scale quasi-hobby operations and the massive grain and livestock operations. They historically vote Republican, but not by very large margins. There are plenty of very strong Democrats, 40-45%. The problems here are severe labor shortages, caused by the war on immigrants, which has been waged just as aggressively by Democratic administrations as it has been by Republican administrations, and crop loss due to climate change.

progressoid

(51,316 posts)
114. Republicans Represent 81 of Top 100 Ag Production Districts
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 04:09 PM
Mar 14
Agri-Pulse’s Noah Wicks reported Wednesday that “Republicans are tightening their electoral grip on farm country, holding all but 19 of the top 100 congressional districts in terms of agricultural sales, according to an Agri-Pulse analysis of newly released data from USDA’s 2022 Census of Agriculture.”

“Republicans control 21 districts ranked highest for the value of sales of agricultural commodities in 2022, with Adrian Smith’s Nebraska district topping the list with $22.9 billion in sales,” Wicks reported. “Altogether, 81 of the top 100 districts in ag production are represented by Republicans. Three seats are currently vacant, and Republican Vince Fong won a race Tuesday for one of those, California’s 20th District, which was vacated by former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy.”

“The Democrat-held seat that ranks highest in agricultural production is California’s 18th district, which is represented by Rep. Zoe Lofgren,” Wicks reported. “…The districts held by California Democrats Raul Ruiz and Salud Carbajal rank 32nd and 36th, respectively. Mississippi Democrat Bennie Thompson’s seat is 38th on the list, while North Carolina Democrat and House Agriculture Committee member Don Davis’ district is 49th.”

“Even when ranking congressional districts by their overall number of farms, Republicans outnumber Democrats,” Wicks reported. “(Adrian) Smith’s Nebraska district led in 2022 with 34,297 total farms; (Michelle) Fischbach’s Minnesota district followed with 31,267 and (Randy) Feenstra’s Iowa district came in third with 29,941. New Mexico Democrat Teresa Leger Fernandez is the first in her party to appear on that list, with her district ranking 43rd in terms of number of farms.”

etc...
https://farmpolicynews.illinois.edu/2024/05/republicans-represent-81-of-top-100-ag-production-districts/

Cirsium

(2,357 posts)
119. Sure
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 04:40 PM
Mar 14

In the tri-county area here - an ag production region, a small part of district one - there are about 300 growers. Trump got 50,000 votes. (Harris got 45,000 votes).

The districts in the article are "ranked highest for the value of sales." Dollars don't vote.

Even in the districts at the top of the list, like Nebraska 3, close to half of the voters are described as "urban" and farm owners represent less than 5% of the population. In the highest ranking district here in Michigan, 1.2% of the population are farmers, and 74% of the population is listed as urban rather than rural. There are 10,000 growers in that district and Trump got 300,00 votes. Even if all of the farmers voted for Trump, that is only 3% of his total in the district.

BumRushDaShow

(151,210 posts)
117. Regarding this -
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 04:17 PM
Mar 14
Additionally, the examples of farmers that these stories use are highly unrepresentative. There are a number of strawberry growers here in this fruit district, and none of them are dependent upon a federal buying program. None are 100% dependent upon strawberries, as far as that goes.


Here’s what immigration crackdowns mean for Florida’s workforce



Carolina (withheld last name), a field worker, tends to a field of strawberries at Sanchez Farms on Monday, Jan. 27, 2025, in Plant City. [ JEFFEREE WOO | Times ]

By Juan Carlos Chavez Times staff

Published Feb. 20|Updated Feb. 20


Fidel Sanchez remembers how hard things got after Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a law tightening restrictions on immigration in 2023. Out of nearly 80 workers and their families who used to work on his Plant City strawberry and vegetable farm, eight stayed. “I’ve seen it with my own eyes,” said Sanchez, who has been growing in Plant City for more than 25 years. “Honestly, it doesn’t make sense, because we need local workers to harvest the crops.”

With President Donald Trump’s administration promising mass deportations and zero-tolerance immigration policies, Sanchez fears an even greater labor shortage is on the horizon. Without local workers, Sanchez depends on temporary migrant laborers, a visa program known as H-2A. The program allows employers to bring foreign laborers to perform agricultural work in the U.S.

This year, Sanchez is paying subcontractors $23 an hour for each worker they bring from Mexico on a temporary labor visa, about 44% more than the previous rate of $16. He believes the political landscape is linked to the rise in rates. “The impact has been severe, and it costs me more,” Sanchez said. Changes in federal and state immigration policies may influence industries in Florida that rely heavily on migrant labor, including construction, hospitality and agriculture. Workforce shortages in these sectors could become more pronounced amid ongoing uncertainty.

Florida has more than 4.5 million immigrants, including those without permanent status. Immigrants represent more than a quarter of the state’s civilian workers. They make up 47% of the workforce in agriculture, forestry, fishing, hunting and mining; 38% in construction; and 25% in service jobs, such as entertainment, accommodation and food services, according to estimates by the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute.

(snip)


In addition, the current (and past) Farm Bill have subsidies to cover crop insurance, etc. and that includes "strawberries" -

Specialty Crop Producers, We Have You Covered

(snip)

Coming in 2022

First, that PRH policy that was available for Florida strawberries. It’ll now be available for California strawberries in crop year 2022.

Also, next year, Florida producers will be able to insure several citrus commodities under an Actual Production History plan that offers several advantages over the existing Florida Citrus Fruit Dollar Plan. This product provides individualized coverage based on historical yield instead of a state’s average value. It also provides more comprehensive coverage for citrus fruit during the bloom phase until fruit forms on the tree and a simpler loss adjustment process and faster settlement of claims.


Coverage through Product and Revenue History is available to strawberry growers in certain Florida and California counties. USDA photo.

(snip)


Unless they are independently wealthy, I expect most farms are availing themselves of financial federal support and Muskrat is coming for that.

republianmushroom

(19,581 posts)
109. Boo Hoo, I'm a farmer, you owe me, you are hurting my bottom line.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 02:51 PM
Mar 14
You voted for the convicted felon, suck it up. Live and learn.

erpowers

(9,419 posts)
112. Actually, They Did
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 03:44 PM
Mar 14

No matter how you slice the issue, they did vote for what is happening. Trump ran on just about two things, pardoning the January 6th rioters and imposing tariffs. Also, tariffs is not an issue they can say they just did not believe him. He imposed tariffs in his first term.

erpowers

(9,419 posts)
113. Voting Against One's Self Interest
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 03:54 PM
Mar 14

These are clear examples of people working against their own self interest. Why would you vote for someone from a party that is anti-government, constantly proposes reducing the size of government, and constantly calls for the destruction of government agencies? Also, if his policies had negatives impacts the first time around, why vote for him a second time?

calimary

(85,966 posts)
116. Oh yes you DID.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 04:14 PM
Mar 14

And those who went along with it and eagerly added their names onto it have NO ONE to blame but themselves.

They’ll get no pity from me. The truth was right out in front, there, over and over and over again, and all over TV, radio, and print. And nobody held a gun to their heads and forced them to watch and to cheer him.

Old Crank

(5,549 posts)
118. Remember, We didn't vote for this,
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 04:19 PM
Mar 14

is different than, We didn't vote for Trump.

People saying we didn't vote for this means they voted for Trump in all probability.

marble falls

(64,860 posts)
121. Farmers most certainly did vote for this. He did it to them last time and he promised to do it again ...
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 05:40 PM
Mar 14

... and he did. There has never been a candidate before who people voted for because they they didn't believe he'd keep promises they didn't want kept.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(24,087 posts)
122. Strange bedfellows: We were betrayed, we did not vote for this, said ...
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 05:53 PM
Mar 14

... farmers, muslims, veterans, etc

RockRaven

(17,165 posts)
126. That is a LIE. This is EXACTLY what you voted for.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 07:09 PM
Mar 14

TCF is not doing a single fucking thing that he didn't either a) do last time or b) say he would do.

So fuck off with your "this isn't what I voted for" bullshit!

Ruby the Liberal

(26,420 posts)
129. "we did not vote for this"
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 07:20 PM
Mar 14

"he was only supposed to hurt other people while we cheered"

The last time he did this, the taxpayers coughed up some $40b to offset your collective losses. Guessing you thought that was going to happen again.

Whatever. The leopard party has your back, sis.

D23MIURG23

(3,130 posts)
130. FFS. Maybe next time know something about who you vote for.
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 09:25 PM
Mar 14

None of this is at all surprising to anyone paying attention.

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