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BumRushDaShow

(151,210 posts)
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 10:28 AM Mar 15

New Proposed Trump Travel Ban Would Target 43 Countries

Source: Daily Beast

Updated Mar. 15 2025 3:47AM EDT
Published Mar. 15 2025 12:06AM EDT


President Donald Trump is considering targeting citizens of up to 43 countries in a new travel ban, according to officials familiar with the matter, The New York Times reports. During his previous term, Trump passed three executive orders that came to be known as his “Muslim ban,” as these orders banned travel to the United States from several Muslim-majority countries, including Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Syria. All travel restrictions enacted by Trump were lifted by President Biden following his inauguration in January 2021.

Trump’s first round of travel bans did not go unchallenged, with the issue making it all the way to the Supreme Court. In June 2018, a majority upheld that the restriction of travel for nationals from seven countries, including five Muslim-majority countries, was lawful. Trump was undeterred, however, with reports circulating in 2020 that he was considering expanding the ban to cover even more countries. It appears he is now close to realizing that goal, with the list obtained by the NYT including 43 countries, with 11 countries facing a complete ban on any and all travel.

The 11 countries on the “red” list, with all travel banned, are Afghanistan, Bhutan, Cuba, Iran, Libya, North Korea, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Venezuela, and Yemen. Other countries, such as Belarus, Haiti, and Russia, are on the “orange” list, with visas sharply restricted. More countries still, including Chad, Dominica, and Liberia, are on the “yellow” list, meaning their citizens will have 60 days to address any concerns raised by their visa application.

Placement on the orange list has the potential to ruffle Russian President Vladimir Putin’s feathers; it means that affluent Russian citizens might be able to visit the U.S. while those on immigrant or tourist visas cannot—and that all Russian citizens would be subject to in-person interviews as part of the visa process. It’s unclear how Russia’s inclusion on this list gels with Trump’s recent efforts to enact Russia-friendly policies and diplomacy.

Read more: https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-proposed-trump-travel-ban-would-target-43-countries/

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Bernardo de La Paz

(54,847 posts)
1. Canadian composer going to attend a concert at Carnegie Hall was banned. Welsh, Canadian, German tourists detained.
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 10:59 AM
Mar 15

Nobody without a US passport is safe crossing the US border.

Avoiding going to the US if possible would be the best strategy, I think.

Canada is a great tourist destination and a great destination for the arts.

Americans, since you can freely cross the border, resist by spending tourist dollars outside of the USA. Don't go to Sundance, go to TIFF: Toronto International Film Festival. Yes, it doesn't help the US tourist industry, but it is a very pointed way to make the consequences of DunceOld's attack-the-whole-world tariff taxes really apparent.

NickB79

(19,870 posts)
2. An abusive spouse works to isolate his partner from their friends and family
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 11:53 AM
Mar 15

Trump is doing this on a global scale.

3Hotdogs

(14,106 posts)
4. Now that A.I. is real, there's an easier way to decide who gets in and who doesn't. Ya see, Germany, in the 1930's
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 12:35 PM
Mar 15

began measuring the physical characteristics of who are the perfect Aryans. We need to find those measurements and apply them to scanners at airports --- think of the $$$ D.O.G.E will save us in payroll costs.

23 and Me says I have 15% Aryan so I'm good. ---- Don't know about the rest of yiz.

muriel_volestrangler

(103,484 posts)
6. Measures its success with a Gross National Happiness Index - can't have foreigners thinking they're better off
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 01:24 PM
Mar 15

than Americans ...

Seriously, it's possibly the least offensive, in all meanings, country there is. This could be yet another Trump "we're all morons in this regime" mistake.

On edit:

"The Bhutanese" was scratching its head on the red list appearance too. Reuters shows it as "yellow", which is in line with "poor, and nothing we can extort from them":

Update: In a sign of the evolving situation while the NYT saw a draft list in which Bhutan was on the Red List, Reuters came up with a report saying they saw a draft report showing Bhutan is on the yellow list which are countries recommended for a partial suspension if they do not address deficiencies.

Reuters quoting a U.S. official speaking on the condition of anonymity cautioned there could be changes on the list and that it was yet to be approved by the administration, including U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

Bhutan will know only once the final list is out. It is likely that the NYT and Reuters saw the same draft lists in different stages.

https://thebhutanese.bt/bhutan-on-a-draft-red-list-for-a-complete-travel-ban-to-the-usa/

mwooldri

(10,615 posts)
8. Bhutan doesn't have formal diplomatic relations with the USA.
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 03:23 PM
Mar 15

I don't see it as a major problem though. Bhutan keeps itself to itself. They didn't get TV or Internet til 1999... its not a terribly repressive regime... The monarchy and government want happiness above all else.

progree

(11,835 posts)
7. Interesting that two of the countries on the "red list" are also ones he and Netanyahu want to send Gazaians to
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 03:12 PM
Mar 15

Somalia and Sudan. The 3rd country as a target for Gaza people to move to is Somaliland, the breakaway not-recognized region of Somalia, so presumably that's effectively included on the red list.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143418049

The U.S. and Israel have reached out to officials of three East African governments to discuss using their territories as potential destinations for moving Palestinians uprooted from the Gaza Strip under President Donald Trump’s proposed postwar plan, American and Israeli officials told The Associated Press. . . . the proposal also casts doubt on Trump’s stated goal of resettling Gaza’s Palestinians in a “beautiful area.”

Officials from Sudan said they have rejected overtures from the U.S., while officials from Somalia and Somaliland told The Associated Press that they were not aware of any contacts.


Anyhow doesn't seem smart to "red list" the countries you are trying to negotiate with to accept Gazaians. Some may say that potentially red-listing them is a negotiating tactic, but I simply cannot imagine that they would be taken off such a list, even if they agreed to take a huge number of Gaza people, and even if they agreed to wear MAGA hats every year on Trump's birthday and hold high copies of the Trump bible.

BumRushDaShow

(151,210 posts)
9. Could be they were "red-listed"
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 03:45 PM
Mar 15

after rejecting the "offer".

(that's how they operate - via threats and retaliation)

progree

(11,835 posts)
10. I suppose. Quite plausible especially given that Sudan and Somalia are the only 2 African countries on the red list /nt
Sat Mar 15, 2025, 03:53 PM
Mar 15
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