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Mr. Sparkle

(3,601 posts)
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 11:17 AM Apr 2025

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

Source: Newsweek

California Governor Gavin Newsom said he has directed his administration to "look at new opportunities to expand trade" as he tries to steer his state around President Donald Trump's sprawling import tariffs.

In a post on X, Newsom addressed the U.S.'s global trading partners, writing "California is here and ready to talk."

It comes after a Fox News report revealed that Newsom is directing his state to pursue "strategic" relationships with countries announcing retaliatory tariffs against the U.S., urging them to exclude California-made products from those taxes.



Read more: https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414




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California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs (Original Post) Mr. Sparkle Apr 2025 OP
I'm curious JBTaurus83 Apr 2025 #1
I don't think it will work, and I think it is ... reACTIONary Apr 2025 #6
trump pushes the envelope all the time NJCher Apr 2025 #12
It's not going to work. Tariffs are imposed... reACTIONary Apr 2025 #27
Just declare Trump EO tarriffs without a real emergency zorbasd Apr 2025 #34
Exactly Farmer-Rick Apr 2025 #38
Exactly what wavers are you referring to? And... reACTIONary Apr 2025 #47
This is exactly what.... reACTIONary Apr 2025 #46
Koch supported you say? Deminpenn Apr 2025 #48
Yes, very much like Rand Paul, who is ... reACTIONary Apr 2025 #50
David Koch died in 2019 Deminpenn Apr 2025 #53
"Not allowed to do that" is quaint these days Ponietz Apr 2025 #51
This isn't a case of doing something you aren't allowed to do... reACTIONary Apr 2025 #52
I'm curious too hannah Apr 2025 #8
Trump's tariffs cannot be disregarded, BUT EmmaLee E Apr 2025 #11
California ports DENVERPOPS Apr 2025 #19
If they did that, everyone in the US would ship through.... reACTIONary Apr 2025 #29
No. He can't do anything about the import Deminpenn Apr 2025 #49
Other countries could exempt California exports from their own tariffs DetroitLegalBeagle Apr 2025 #40
That will certainly burn trump's orange butt Bayard Apr 2025 #2
California's economy is, by itself, the fifth largest economy in the world. BComplex Apr 2025 #5
Correction... homegirl Apr 2025 #18
Putin DENVERPOPS Apr 2025 #20
I think putin just wants to destroy the US period. He has the wrecking ball in the white house doing it right now. mitch96 Apr 2025 #37
Even better! calimary Apr 2025 #23
Agreed! calimary Apr 2025 #21
I hope other states will join California in that effort. n/t Mister Ed Apr 2025 #3
Me too! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Apr 2025 #28
Color me interested. Torchlight Apr 2025 #4
Without secession it wouldn't be viable. Perhaps Newsom should check with his new bro... NNadir Apr 2025 #7
Go Gavin! nt Exp Apr 2025 #9
How is that possible? NCgayguy Apr 2025 #10
Welcome to DU NCgayguy! AllyCat Apr 2025 #16
Keep on! What you said sounds about right. erronis Apr 2025 #30
If Newsom attempts to use the 2 CA ports to poli-junkie Apr 2025 #13
Can Newsom send a sniper team to Fla? Chemical Bill Apr 2025 #44
I love Gavin and everything he does for this great state. byronius Apr 2025 #14
Will Newsom continue to play footsie with the MAGAs on his show? AllyCat Apr 2025 #15
Newsom could help set up a "sling shot" process for suppliers... AntiFascist Apr 2025 #17
That's how the Civil War got started. Blue Full Moon Apr 2025 #22
"The Constitution"...what's that? regnaD kciN Apr 2025 #26
My first reaction also. Constitution for thee, not for me. erronis Apr 2025 #31
Good for my Gov. He has a lot of legal know-how in his admin, & gods know we have lawyers in CA... Hekate Apr 2025 #24
A step closer toward the Balkanization of the United States Random Boomer Apr 2025 #25
And how does that leave our federal military - fragmented? Putin's wet dream. erronis Apr 2025 #32
Yup, pretty much. Random Boomer Apr 2025 #41
It just may work!! Trump does all kinds of illegal, unconstitutional actions for his own benefit. Newsome would be Jit423 Apr 2025 #33
Play Trump's game Stuckinthebush Apr 2025 #35
Trump announces that California is to be annexed into the USA. Ping Tung Apr 2025 #36
Dude! DiverDave Apr 2025 #43
Gov JB Pritzker did that the last time. Got farmers a pretty good deal thru smaller Asian countries PortTack Apr 2025 #39
JB is doing it again. He just got back from Mexico working on this. mucifer Apr 2025 #45
A good initiative. delisen Apr 2025 #42
This will piss off the orange convicted felon. republianmushroom Apr 2025 #54

reACTIONary

(6,950 posts)
6. I don't think it will work, and I think it is ...
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 12:12 PM
Apr 2025

... just for show. Other countries can give CA an exception to their tariffs, but what can CA give in return? They can't invalidate Trump's tariffs. States are not allowed to do that.

Furthermore, if an exemption is given to CA, everyone would import though CA and it would become an exception for all of the US. It would basically invalidate their retaliation.

reACTIONary

(6,950 posts)
27. It's not going to work. Tariffs are imposed...
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 01:51 PM
Apr 2025

... by customs enforcement, in federal facilities, by federal employees. They are not going to stop collecting tariffs because CA tells them to.

This is a stunt.

zorbasd

(511 posts)
34. Just declare Trump EO tarriffs without a real emergency
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 02:06 PM
Apr 2025

unconstitutional, and thus not bound by law.
Lawlessness is what the Trump fascists thrive on....states can play that game too....

Farmer-Rick

(12,407 posts)
38. Exactly
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 02:22 PM
Apr 2025

There are numerous waivers that can be gotten, some controlled or defined by the states. And evasion tactics are frequently used by importers. Since Trump cut back on fed employees, who exactly is going to be digging through those shipping containers to find out if the cargo doesn't meet the tariff description? Maybe a few get caught.....maybe not.

Now is the time to use common manipulation techniques.

reACTIONary

(6,950 posts)
47. Exactly what wavers are you referring to? And...
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 07:50 PM
Apr 2025

.... Why would the federal customs enforcement personnel release impounded goods before the tariffs have been paid?

This is a stunt. Not that stunts can't be useful as a propaganda technique, but in the end it is just a stunt.

reACTIONary

(6,950 posts)
46. This is exactly what....
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 07:45 PM
Apr 2025

NCLA is doing...

Washington, DC (April 3, 2025) – Today, the New Civil Liberties Alliance filed the first Complaint challenging President Donald Trump’s unlawful attempt to require Americans to pay a heavy tariff on all products they import from China. President Trump imposed the tariff by invoking the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA). However, this statute authorizes specific emergency actions like imposing sanctions or freezing assets to protect the United States from foreign threats. It does not authorize the President to impose tariffs. In its nearly 50-year history, no other president—including President Trump in his first term—has ever tried to use the IEEPA to impose tariffs. NCLA’s lawsuit does not quibble with President Trump’s declaration of an opioid-related emergency, but it does take issue with his decision to impose tariffs in response, without legal authority to do so.


This is not, however, something that can be decreed by the executive or legislative organs of a state.

https://nclalegal.org/press_release/ncla-sues-to-stop-trump-admin-from-imposing-emergency-tariffs-that-congress-never-authorized

NCLA is a free market advocacy organization supported by the Kochtopus.

Deminpenn

(17,277 posts)
48. Koch supported you say?
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 08:41 PM
Apr 2025

That's interesting, and probably inevitable the rich big businesses would break from Trump.

reACTIONary

(6,950 posts)
50. Yes, very much like Rand Paul, who is ...
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 09:06 PM
Apr 2025

... one of the few goppers against the tariffs. The Koch bros (not sure if the are both alive) are ideologically libertarians, with a principled commitment to lazier Faire economic principles. With that background they are often surprisingly supportive of civil liberties also.

Deminpenn

(17,277 posts)
53. David Koch died in 2019
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 04:33 AM
Apr 2025

Charles, 89, is still living. Brother Fred, an art and historic building collector, died in 2020 at age 86. Brother Bill, the youngest at 84, is still living. He was featured on an episode of American Greed being swindled out of a lot of money from a counterfeit wine fraudster. Fred and Bill had a falling out with the other two brothers.

David Koch also sponsored programming on PBS and his charitable foundation, assuming one exists, may still be doing so.

reACTIONary

(6,950 posts)
52. This isn't a case of doing something you aren't allowed to do...
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 09:45 PM
Apr 2025

... Its a case of expecting someone else to do something they are not going to do.

Other countries are not going to give CA a break. They don't give a shit about CA; we are all Yankees as far as they are concerned.

Federal customs enforcement is not going to stop impounding imports because CA says so.

This is just bluster to get some attention and earned media. A stunt.

EmmaLee E

(270 posts)
11. Trump's tariffs cannot be disregarded, BUT
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 12:40 PM
Apr 2025

If other countries don't charge retaliatory tariffs on California goods,
wouldn't California continue to have a vibrant export market compared with the rest of the country?

I think that is the deal Newsom is looking for.

Other states would stagnate while California businesses keep their foreign markets. Bad for Trump.

Am I missing something (s)?


DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
19. California ports
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 01:17 PM
Apr 2025

have a third of all ports in the U.S. This could get very interesting...............

reACTIONary

(6,950 posts)
29. If they did that, everyone in the US would ship through....
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 01:54 PM
Apr 2025

.... CA and their retaliatory tariffs would be ineffective. Why would they do that?

Deminpenn

(17,277 posts)
49. No. He can't do anything about the import
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 08:45 PM
Apr 2025

tariff, but he can work a deal where CA products are not subject to retaliatory import tariffs.

State secretaries of state make deals with other countries regularly.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,453 posts)
40. Other countries could exempt California exports from their own tariffs
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 02:46 PM
Apr 2025

Nothing can be done on imports though. Feds handle those. They won't release shipments from customs until the tariffs are paid on it.

Bayard

(28,358 posts)
2. That will certainly burn trump's orange butt
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 11:28 AM
Apr 2025

Calif has two of the largest ports in the country, right?

BComplex

(9,734 posts)
5. California's economy is, by itself, the fifth largest economy in the world.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 11:41 AM
Apr 2025

I think this is a great idea!

homegirl

(1,917 posts)
18. Correction...
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 01:11 PM
Apr 2025

California is the FOURTH largest economy in the World!

And it sure burns Donald's butt!!!!

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
20. Putin
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 01:19 PM
Apr 2025

really wants California destroyed ASAP...................along with several other BLUE states.............including COLORADO............

mitch96

(15,597 posts)
37. I think putin just wants to destroy the US period. He has the wrecking ball in the white house doing it right now.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 02:21 PM
Apr 2025

As Nikita Khrushchev said in 1956:
“We will take America without firing a shot. We do not have to invade the U.S. We will destroy you from within”.

It's been almost 70 years And it's happening right now...
m

calimary

(88,861 posts)
23. Even better!
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 01:23 PM
Apr 2025

Fourth largest’ ‘eh?

Still love California, even though we moved several years ago.

NNadir

(37,197 posts)
7. Without secession it wouldn't be viable. Perhaps Newsom should check with his new bro...
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 12:25 PM
Apr 2025

Bannon first. Bannon is fond of the Confederacy. That, however, did not work out all that well.

NCgayguy

(255 posts)
10. How is that possible?
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 12:37 PM
Apr 2025

Hey, I'm all for it! But it does sound like grandstanding. I've noticed that since Cory Booker stood up against the republican a whole lot of big name dems are making reels and videos and tweets with a lot to say. They should follow Cory example and follow through, Jasmine did. That's only my opinion. Wow, this DU membership is starting to go to my head, I sure hope my mouth doesn't get me in trouble.

AllyCat

(18,463 posts)
16. Welcome to DU NCgayguy!
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 12:59 PM
Apr 2025

I dunno. I like hearing what you have to say. We have a lot of good folks here who can use our knowledge of the system to spur the Dems to work for America.

erronis

(22,482 posts)
30. Keep on! What you said sounds about right.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 01:55 PM
Apr 2025

Cory Booker may have given some a goose to get moving.

And, I'm learning that I'm not the only person who sticks foot in mouth and survives.

poli-junkie

(1,481 posts)
13. If Newsom attempts to use the 2 CA ports to
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 12:49 PM
Apr 2025

do a trade workaround, then TSF will militarize said ports

byronius

(7,888 posts)
14. I love Gavin and everything he does for this great state.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 12:53 PM
Apr 2025

Been my home since the eighties when I moved up to join a band.

It’s the best state I’ve ever lived in.

AntiFascist

(13,718 posts)
17. Newsom could help set up a "sling shot" process for suppliers...
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 01:07 PM
Apr 2025

have suppliers move goods to a warehouse in a country with a relatively low tariffs and ship from there. Not sure how this could work well for Mexico and Canada but could work well for China.

Blue Full Moon

(3,111 posts)
22. That's how the Civil War got started.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 01:22 PM
Apr 2025

The states in the south tried to get their own trade agreements. The Constitution says otherwise.

regnaD kciN

(27,429 posts)
26. "The Constitution"...what's that?
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 01:50 PM
Apr 2025

Doesn’t seem as if the administration has any plans to obey it. Maybe we should do the same.

Hekate

(100,131 posts)
24. Good for my Gov. He has a lot of legal know-how in his admin, & gods know we have lawyers in CA...
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 01:42 PM
Apr 2025

Instead of people griping about his podcasts (which may or may not have been a good idea on his part) try watching what he’s been saying and doing all along. During the misery of Covid, he kept us informed & fought trump. Even before that, he reminded us of where we stood in the world economy, and in a moment of hubris called us “a nation-state.”

Ironically, it is trump himself who is showing the way in ignoring norms and flouting accepted trade laws and practices. trump may have broken everything already — maybe it’t time for the Dem gov of the largest state to test that.

Random Boomer

(4,377 posts)
25. A step closer toward the Balkanization of the United States
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 01:45 PM
Apr 2025

It's ironic that Trump is trying to destroy the federal government, which is the base of his power. The more he weakens the Federal bureaucracy, the more incentive there will be for states to go it on their own.

More than one person has predicted that we will eventually fragment into five or six separate regions, and there's nothing like an economic collapse -- or the threat of one -- to hasten that scenario.

Random Boomer

(4,377 posts)
41. Yup, pretty much.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 05:20 PM
Apr 2025

Although, to be fair, Putin will probably be dead before the U.S. breaks up. I don't see this happening over the next year, probably not even over the next decade.

Jit423

(1,568 posts)
33. It just may work!! Trump does all kinds of illegal, unconstitutional actions for his own benefit. Newsome would be
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 01:59 PM
Apr 2025

doing this to help his state. At least I don't believe he would have to "shake down" those he wanted to negotiate with. Trump either bullies or extorts the people.

Stuckinthebush

(11,192 posts)
35. Play Trump's game
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 02:12 PM
Apr 2025

There may be no way to do this, but Gavin is smart to say, "There's a way". It's like when Trump says, 'A lot of people tell me I can run for a third term" knowing he can't. He's trolling. If Gavin can do this then great, but even if not he is getting buzz AND chapping Trump's ass. He could get countries to start talking to HIM instead of Trump. That would really piss off Trump.

Love it.

Ping Tung

(4,121 posts)
36. Trump announces that California is to be annexed into the USA.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 02:14 PM
Apr 2025

The population west of Bakersfield will be deported to newly annexed Greenland.

PortTack

(35,810 posts)
39. Gov JB Pritzker did that the last time. Got farmers a pretty good deal thru smaller Asian countries
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 02:37 PM
Apr 2025

Saved their arses! Thing is Illinois farmers never think twice about biting the hand that feeds them. They once again voted overwhelmingly for the orange lunatic

delisen

(7,194 posts)
42. A good initiative.
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 05:29 PM
Apr 2025

Newsom’s last initiative on the bros was not so good.

This one has great potential.

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