France could recognise Palestinian state 'in June' - Macron

[Mr. Sparkle]

Source: RTE

France plans to recognise a Palestinian state within months and could make the move at a United Nations conference in New York in June on settling the Israel-Palestinian conflict, President Emmanuel Macron has said.

"We must move towards recognition, and we will do so in the coming months," Mr Macron told France 5 television in an interview broadcast yesterday. "Our aim is to chair this conference with Saudi Arabia in June, where we could finalise this movement of mutual recognition by several parties," he added. "I will do it because I believe that at some point it will be right and because I also want to participate in a collective dynamic, which must also allow all those who defend Palestine to recognise Israel in turn, which many of them do not do," he added.

Such recognition would allow France "to be clear in our fight against those who deny Israel's right to exist -- which is the case with Iran - and to commit ourselves to collective security in the region," he added. France has long championed a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict, including after the 7 October 2023 attack by Palestinian militants Hamas on Israel. However formal recognition of a Palestinian state by France would mark a major policy switch.

Israel's Foreign Minister Gideon Saar has denounced Mr Macron's announcement, saying it would be a "prize" for terrorism.

Read more: https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0410/1506888-france-palestine/

[murielm99]

1. Just where, exactly, is this so-called state located?

[SCantiGOP]

2. I would assume

In the areas they were promised when Israel
was formed 75 years ago - Gaza and the West Bank.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

4. Those would need to be two separate countries.

One ruled by Hamas, one not.

Two countries, two capitols, two embassies in Paris.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

5. trump thinks that Gaza is his

[Beastly Boy]

9. Would these be the areas the Palestinians rejected, or the areas subsequently annexed by Egypt and Jordan?

[lapucelle]

22. Saudi Arabia's proposal is that the state would consist of Gaza, the West Bank,

and a capital in East Jerusalem, which, of course, is much less than what was offered in 1947.

If Saudi Arabia does recognize Israel, and if Macron is successful in forcing the hand of the other 27 UN nation states to do the same, the "river to the sea" contingent (one of whom sits in Congress) would be forestalled and the UN would have to rethink its "refugee in perpetuity as long as you're descended through the male line" special definition and disband UNRWA.

Would LA-born millionaire supermodel Gigi Hadid still qualify under UNRWA's tortured definition as a "Palestinian refugee"? Probably not, as there would be a Palestinian state to return to.

It goes without saying that President Macron most likely hopes that Palestine would become the Middle East's second democracy. Saudi Arabia and Qatar, however, might be more inclined to favor installing an authoritarian monarch.

Given the complexities of who would rule a single Palestinian state and the anticipated refusal of both Hamas and the Palestinian Authority to cede any ground, the easiest and best first step is the recognition of Israel by the 28 UN nation states who have thus far refused to do so.

Something tells me that President Macron knows exactly what he's doing, and I'm looking forward to the UN conference in June.

[Beastly Boy]

23. "Macron knows exactly what he's doing" A likeligood that is being lost on so many of his critics.

But I understand their refusal to acknowledge the obvious. It is inconceivable to many foes of Israel to no longer have at their disposal the perpetuity of Palestinian victimhood built into the wanton exploitation of the Palestinians as pawns in their regional ambitions.

I am expecting the 28 UN nations that do not recognize Israel to put lots of spokes in Macron's wheel and put up a hell of a fight to keep the Palestinians stateless. "Too little too late" is just the beginning. I expect a lot of proposals for the Palestinian state to be turned down for ridiculous reasons, as had been the case since 1947.

[Richard D]

3. In France, hopefully. Nt

[maxsolomon]

6. Farcical.

Gaza is a ruin under siege. The West Bank is being colonized at will by ultra-nationalist religious fanatics.

We're closer to a mass expulsion of Palestinians than a Palestinian state.

[iemanja]

7. It's sad that some comments demonstrate

Clear opposition to a two state solution in lieu of Israeli seizure of Palestine.

[AloeVera]

8. Monsieur Macron seems a bit hypocritical and disingenuous.

Where was he when Gaza was being pulverized and its children dying in flames?

He knows it's too late. Easy to take a stand when it no longer matters.

[Beastly Boy]

10. Yeah, where was he when Hamas invaded Israel and killed over 1000 Jews?

Macron should have immediately recognized the Palestinian state right then and there, even before the kidnapped hostages were forced to cross into Gazza, not a minute later. Because that would have been such a proper and decent response to the Hamas aggression!

[AloeVera]

11. Wish you would stop putting words in my mouth.

Oh well, a girl can dream.

[Beastly Boy]

12. Take it easy, it's just a suggestion. To Macron, not you.

You are free to (and I am sure you will) disregard its connection to your question about the timing of Macron's remark.

I am leaving it entirely up to you to put words in your own mouth. So far, there is really nothing I can add to them that would make my point more persuasive, thank you.

[AloeVera]

13. Don't be so modest!

Adding, subtracting, embellishing or changing the meaning of another's words is a unique talent!

Macron - and other world leaders - had 17 months to speak up on behalf of the Palestinians being slaughtered and force and end to it. Because he/they didn't - and by "they" I include everyone who COULD have made a difference - the slaughter and destruction was normalized and the door opened wide for the coming ethnic cleansing.

Israel has now declared it will shortly begin Trump's Plan to remove Palestinians. To Egypt or the war-and-famine torn parts of Africa.

There can be no Palestine without Palestinians. So Macron's words at this point are meaningless cover-your-ass garbage.

But if you think a Palestinian state is still
possible, by all means let us know how you envision that happening.

[Beastly Boy]

18. I"ve been tolld a number of times that modesty will be my downfall. So I appreciate your advice.

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But I am perplexed nonetheless: are you attributing all the aforementioned talents to me? Other than a breathtakingly brilliant hindsight suggestion to Macron (I am counting on his inner circle to report it to him), have I really showcased the unique talents you listed? I am eager to take full credit for the feats I don't recall performing, but I am not sure whether you are attributing them to me or just expressing general admiration for them.

Or is this post a tip-off to Macron not to go ahead with recognizing the Palestinian state because... no Palestine without the Palestinians? You appear to say exactly what I had said before (minus the snark) - that Macron's advance warning of the impending recognition of the Palestinian state is too little too late. I completely agree: in order to make a halfass meaningful impression, his announcement should have preceded Israel's response to the worst one-day assault on its civilians in history and taking its citizens hostage. Then, Macron would have without any doubt looked like an idiot. Frankly, I cannot tell my snark from your straight-face critique of him.

More than that, being exceptionally modest, I would suggest that between the two, my snarky advice to Macron compares favorably to yours. Just as batshit ridiculous, but dignified enough to not solicit Pavlovian reactions with tired memes.

[lapucelle]

16. Macron is trying to manoeuvre Saudi Arabia into recognizing Isarael.

Saudi Arabia is one of the 28 UN member states that do not recognize Israel, and Macron is co-chairing a UN conference with the Saudi crown prince in June.

28 UN member states do not recognize Israel: 15 members of the Arab League (Algeria, Comoros, Djibouti, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Syria, Tunisia, and Yemen); ten non-Arab members of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Brunei, Indonesia, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Niger, and Pakistan); and Cuba, North Korea, and Venezuela

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel#cite_note-visapol-23

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Sounds to me like RTE and Le Monde buried the lede.

[Beastly Boy]

19. Are you telling me that the man is good at walking and chewing gum at the same time?

Damn, he is devious!

[lapucelle]

17. Macron is neither hypocritical nor disingenuous: He wants Saudi Arabia to recognize Israel.

"Our aim is to chair this conference with Saudi Arabia in June, where we could finalise this movement of mutual recognition by several parties," he added.

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0410/1506888-france-palestine/

Macron wants the 28 UN member states that don't recognize Israel to recognize Israel in exchange for France moving forward with recognition of a Palestinian state.

[AloeVera]

20. Yes, I read that.

Quid pro quo. Very nice.

Even better, the only one to benefit will be Israel. Seeing as there will be no Palestinian state.

Macron is what I called him, imho. It makes me sad, I admired him. But my eyes have been opened to a lot of saddening realities in the last year and a half.

[lapucelle]

21. The "very nice" quid pro quo conditition came directly from Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia will not recognise Israel without Palestinian state, says Crown Prince

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-crown-prince-condemns-israels-crimes-against-palestinians-2024-09-18/

There is nothing sad, disingenuous, or hypocritical about President Macron seeking formal recognition from Saudi Arabia's authoritarian ruler and like-minded cohorts (27 of which also have seats at the UN) that Israel not only has a right to exist, but also does, in fact, exist.

[lapucelle]

14. Recognition of a Palestinian state would be predicated on recognition of Israel

by those countries and states who currently refuse to do so, according to the article cited.

"I will do it because I believe that at some point it will be right and because I also want to participate in a collective dynamic, which must also allow all those who defend Palestine to recognise Israel in turn, which many of them do not do," [Macron] added.

Such recognition would allow France "to be clear in our fight against those who deny Israel's right to exist -- which is the case with Iran - and to commit ourselves to collective security in the region," he added.

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0410/1506888-france-palestine/

[Xolodno]

15. Pressure tactic.

The more Bibi clenches his fist, the more slips out through his fingers. He'll soon find himself the odd man out and being sanctioned. He doesn't want any Palestinian state, but will eventually find out he no longer has a choice in the matter.

The world is sick of him and this never ending conflict. He probably thinks he can continue this indefinitely, in the end, he may have hastened it.