Trump's "final offer" for peace requires Ukraine to accept Russian occupation

[riversedge]

Source: axios



12 hours ago -


The U.S. expects Ukraine's response Wednesday to a peace framework that includes U.S. recognition of Crimea as part of Russia and unofficial recognition of Russian control of nearly all areas occupied since the 2022 invasion, sources with direct knowledge of the proposal tell Axios.

Why it matters: The one-page document the U.S. presented Ukrainian officials in Paris last week describes this as President Trump's "final offer." The White House insists it's ready to walk away if the parties don't make a deal soon.

Trump's proposal would require major concessions from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, who previously ruled out accepting Russia's occupation of Crimea and parts of four regions in eastern Ukraine.
And while Russian President Vladimir Putin has reportedly offered to freeze the current front lines in order to reach a deal, he has previously rejected other elements of the U.S. framework, such as a European peacekeeping force on Ukrainian territory.
A source close to the Ukrainian government said Kyiv sees the proposal as highly biased towards Russia: "The proposal says very clearly what tangible gains Russia gets, but only vaguely and generally says what Ukraine is going to get."...............


Read more: https://www.axios.com/2025/04/22/trump-russia-ukraine-peace-plan-crimea-donbas

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[Walleye]

1. Trump can't force Ukraine to accept Russia after so many soldiers died fighting for Ukraine

[highplainsdem]

2. Outrageous.

[2naSalit]

3. Hogwash...

Orange ogre never intended to propose anything that would benefit Ukraine in any way. It's all for pootin and whatever he can conger up for himself. He sees it all as spoils of war.

[dutch777]

4. Not that Trump could understand but this is a terrible precedent to set. Even worse if Ukraine can't join NATO

This will be another perpetually tense and fortified border ala the Korean DMZ. And the Baltic states will look at this as exposing them for future aggression from Russia. Trump is a complete sell out to Putin.

[Ray Bruns]

5. Need to check the calendar again. I thought this was 2025, not 1938.

Walk away Ukraine.

[riversedge]

6. What's next: Witkoff will travel to Moscow later this week for his fourth meeting with Putin, the White House announced

What's next: Witkoff will travel to Moscow later this week for his fourth meeting with Putin, the White House announced Tuesday.

But Witkoff and Secretary of State Marco Rubio are both expected to skip talks in London on Wednesday involving U.S., Ukrainian, French, German and U.K. officials. Both had previously planned to attend.
Instead, Ukraine envoy Keith Kellogg is expected to lead the U.S. delegation. The U.S. proposal is expected to be part of the discussions.

[LymphocyteLover]

7. Not. Gonna. Happen. DJT can go fuck all the way off.

[Eugene]

8. What's Putin's is Putin's. What isn't is negotiable. Sounds familiar.

[liberalgunwilltravel]

9. I guess Trump believes...

Since US Republicans have accepted Russian occupation of the Oval Office, Ukrainians should accept occupation of their country. BTW, fuck Trump and his minions with a saguaro 🌵.

[Linda ladeewolf]

16. Use a cholla! It'll hurt more.

[Marthe48]

10. If Ukraine accepts

You can bet that putin will be running things from the oval office.

[muriel_volestrangler]

11. Agree a peace deal or US will walk away, Vance tells Ukraine and Russia

US vice-president JD Vance warned Wednesday that Moscow and Kyiv must strike a deal or Washington will end its efforts to reach a ceasefire.

“We’ve issued a very explicit proposal to both the Russians and the Ukrainians, and it’s time for them to either say yes, or for the United States to walk away from this process,” Vance told reporters in India, where he is on a four-day visit.
...
“It’s now time, I think, to take, if not the final step, one of the final steps, which is, at a broad level, the party saying we’re going to stop the killing, we’re going to freeze the territorial lines at some level close to where they are today,” Vance added.

“Now, of course, that means the Ukrainians and the Russians are both going to have to give up some of the territory they currently own,” he added.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/apr/23/russia-ukraine-war-live-london-peace-talks-macron-starmer-zelenskyy-putin-latest-news-updates?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-6808d1148f0864f4ce48210a#block-6808d1148f0864f4ce48210a

"Both ... give up some of the territory they currently own" is doing a lot of work there. Vance/Trump/whoever is not asking Russia to "give up" a single bit of Russia as internationally recognised; the only movement of the front line towards Russia mentioned is "the return of the small part of Kharkiv oblast Russia has occupied", which is, of course, not "owned". Russia get to control everything else it has invaded, and gets US recognition of Crimea as part of Russia.

I presume "walk away from this process" is a threat to withdraw all US military support from Ukraine. Because if it was just "the US won't try and make a deal anymore", it wouldn't be much of a threat, would it? More like a relief that the biased and out-of-their-depth US "negotiators" would stop wasting people's time.

[Linda ladeewolf]

18. It might be better under the circumstances if trump walked away.

The free nations of the world are stepping up, this is a good thing for the world and bad for the US. They will learn that they can be super powers too.

[PortTack]

23. Nailed it!

[mdbl]

32. Just what Ukraine needs - a major fuck-up like Vance running negotiations.

[travelingthrulife]

12. Wasn't that his first, second and third "offer" too?

[Botany]

13. Fuck off Krasnov

Ukraine’s answer will be no we are not surrendering any of our lands or people. End of story.

BTW: Russia is losing.

1). They are running out of vehicles to transport troops they have been using horses,
motorcycles, scooters, and walking to move their forces into battle and Ukrainian drones
are slaughtering them.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/113349102

B). Battle hardened Columbian troops are now in country and they are thrashing Russian
and North Korean troops. One Columbian officer said that Ukrainian drones are cleaning out
and spotting enemy forces before they are deployed.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/113349092

[bluestarone]

14. Well isn't this great? Ukraine gets attacked at the negotiation tables.

Ukraine has TWO enemies at the peace tables!! (which we KNEW would happen! Fuck TSF to HELL!!

[Javaman]

15. aka he threw his hands up and the air and said, "I need a nap". nt

[mellow]

17. So ... surrender.

That's his plan. Surrender.

[louis-t]

19. Neither Pootie, nor trmp can be trusted and Zelensky knows it.

Not gonna happen.

[bronxiteforever]

20. GOP sells out because the US is weak.

We are not a first rate power anymore under TSF and TSF will fold to his friend Pootie.

[PortTack]

21. This fool doesn't get it! It doesn't matter what the F you say...GO AWAY!

[Bayard]

22. Take your, "final offer," and shove it

He is Putin's mouthpiece, and his only solution is for Ukraine to surrender. Putin would go on to plunder the rest of Ukraine, then move on to other countries.

Manifest Destiny, Russian style.

[republianmushroom]

24. Hopefully Ukraine will tell Putin's puppet to shove it.

[Martin68]

25. I hope Europe can hold the line against Russia and support Ukraine against this unholy pact.

[Moostache]

26. When this is all over, I will be bitterly upset if Trump is not a refugee hiding in Moscow.

He is a fool, an imbecile, a moron, a stooge, a crass ass-hat and more, but he is also a complicit war criminal trying to force a nominally allied nation to cede territory to an avowed enemy and supporting the war crimes and abuses of Putin in the process.

When the hammer of justice falls on Trump, I hope he remains the coward that he is but does not go out like Hitler, rather gets captured like Saddam and goes out the same goddamn way.

[blue-wave]

27. This is a set-up

He wants to frame the narrative, as he has been doing all along, that Ukraine is the cause of the war and the reason there is no peace. Ukraine won't submit and give up land to psychopaths who invaded their country ? Well then, we'll just walk away because Ukraine is unreasonable. Victim blaming and victim shaming. Innocent Ukrainians are dying every day. This is a shame on the United States.

[electric_blue68]

28. Screw off drumphf & putin! Slava Ukraini!

[Chipper Chat]

29. Time for a united Europe to help Ukraine.

If they don't- Poland will be pootie's next morsel.

[Ol Janx Spirit]

30. What happened to the 24-hours boast? "Well, I was being a little bit sarcastic when I said that,"

he claims now. ( https://www.euronews.com/2025/03/15/trump-says-he-was-a-bit-sarcastic-when-he-claimed-he-could-end-the-war-in-ukraine-in-24-ho )

I feel like his cult members know this, and that we fall into his trap by believing that his spoken words are supposed to mean anything.

The question that just constantly shadows my psyche though is how is it possible that Democrats can't make more political headway on the fact that his proclamations are such obvious sacks of feces? We are a long way down the road from his boast that Mexico would pay to build the border wall to keep people out of the U.S.; and obviously we do not have a shiny new healthcare system. Yet every new boast is met with some perception that he really means it.

It is not solely the fault of the press--although good arguments can be made in that area. Political reality is formed through so many factors: social media; memes; press coverage; public perception; word of mouth. Why do his lies seem to always ascend and never create fallout? Are we simply witnessing the work of one of the greatest con-artists in history?

[LudwigPastorius]

35. Trump apparently doesn't know the meaning of "sarcasm".

...and so many other words.

[Ol Janx Spirit]

37. He only recently discovered the word groceries and kindly brought it back to the common folks... N/T

[vapor2]

31. All russians in the WH so what was to be expected?

[sakabatou]

33. The peace deal isn't a peace deal. It's an ultimatum

Either end the war and let Russia take over, or you get nothing from us.

[republianmushroom]

34. BREAKING: London Peace Talks COLLAPSE --

Zelenskyy's Red Line on Crimea Changed Everything

Thank you, Zelenskyy, for telling the Putin's puppets to shove it.

[sinkingfeeling]

36. Trump & Vance can go f@k themselves.

[milestogo]

38. And he wants a Nobel Peace Prize for that.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

39. Zelensky reposted a 2018 statement by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo

Link to tweet

Zelensky reposted a 2018 statement by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, which reads:

“The United States reaffirms as policy its refusal to recognize the Kremin's claims of sovereignty over territory seized by force.”

[bluestarone]

40. Hell, it actually would NOT surprise me if TSF sent American troops in there to help

RUSSIA.