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Omaha Steve

(107,572 posts)
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 06:09 PM Sep 24

Students charged with hate crime after pork is tossed into a Jewish fraternity on Rosh Hashana

Source: AP

Updated 3:03 PM CDT, September 24, 2025

SYRACUSE, N.Y. (AP) — Two Syracuse University students face hate crimes charges after authorities say one of them tossed a bag of pork into Jewish fraternity house during a Rosh Hashanah celebration.

The incident occurred around 6 p.m. Tuesday at the Zeta Beta Tau fraternity house, where members had gathered to mark the Jewish New Year, according to the New York school’s chief student experience officer, Allen Groves.

One of the two men charged is accused of entering the home and tossing in a clear plastic bag of pork against an interior wall, splattering the contents there and on the floor, university police said.

The man then fled the home and got into a vehicle driven by another man. The two, both 18, were soon captured and have been charged with burglary as a hate crime and criminal nuisance.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/syracuse-university-rosh-hashana-hate-crime-pork-401527c4be4961c83d38cd98d7ac45a6

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Students charged with hate crime after pork is tossed into a Jewish fraternity on Rosh Hashana (Original Post) Omaha Steve Sep 24 OP
That's gross, horrible, and immature. iemanja Sep 24 #1
No slap on the wrists for them..real punishment..this is unacceptable behavior Deuxcents Sep 24 #2
They should be charged, MarineCombatEngineer Sep 24 #3
trumphumper humor. Turbineguy Sep 24 #4
As students MarineCombatEngineer Sep 24 #5
Who can AFFORD to vandalize with pork, or any meat? joanbarnes Sep 24 #6
Seems to me like rich bigots were responsible for this meow2u3 Sep 24 #19
Rich Nazi spawn at Syracuse University, apparently RVN VET71 Sep 25 #32
Obviously this is hateful, but I'd hazard a guess it'll be pled down, without the hate crime part AZJonnie Sep 24 #7
Charging this as a hate crime seems en par with charging bigoted tweets over religion the same way. SSJVegeta Sep 24 #9
Even ignoring kashrut, this is a hateful, disgusting action karynnj Sep 24 #17
I think it's just as hateful as a swastika. yardwork Sep 25 #33
Again, not Jewish so not sure AZJonnie Sep 25 #39
Observant Jews don't touch or eat pork. yardwork Sep 25 #41
Again, in no way downplaying how shitty this was, the people need to be firmly punished AZJonnie Sep 25 #42
can be little real doubt that this action was specifically targeting .... stopdiggin Sep 24 #8
Very good the police caught these two fascists so quickly. marble falls Sep 24 #10
Offensive? YES! Hate crime? About as much as stalling DJT's escalator. nt Exp Sep 24 #11
This fits the legal definition of a hate crime if he was not invited into the frat house. LudwigPastorius Sep 24 #22
Ask the ICC about what a crime really is. nt Exp Sep 25 #29
What does the ICC have to do with New York state law? LudwigPastorius Sep 25 #30
if they had smeared the blood into swastikas - would you're answer remain the same? stopdiggin Sep 25 #24
Post removed Post removed Sep 25 #28
Maybe you don't understand the circumstances and meaning here. yardwork Sep 25 #34
They'll get hired by Turning Point CanonRay Sep 24 #12
Would not be surprised if we find out they're rpannier Sep 24 #14
They should be jailed until they grow up. That stunt is so incredibly stupid. Srkdqltr Sep 24 #13
They should be jailed until they grow up. rpannier Sep 24 #15
Probably, throwing pork at people who don't eat pork is so beond stupid. Srkdqltr Sep 24 #20
It's not the same thing. yardwork Sep 25 #35
I'd expect a lot better, from Syracuse students. Paladin Sep 24 #16
Syracuse is a good school. This could happen anywhere. yardwork Sep 25 #36
You're correct, obviously. (nt) Paladin Sep 25 #38
I'd like to see what the accused look like, or at least their names Polybius Sep 24 #18
It's going to be the same motive. yardwork Sep 25 #37
Kyle Anderson and Samuel Patten Jose Garcia Sep 25 #40
As an alum of Sigma Alpha Mu (another Jewish fraternity), I am not shocked but completed sickened AZLD4Candidate Sep 24 #21
Really disgusting! Especially bc of the High Holy days! electric_blue68 Sep 24 #23
This should not be treated lightly. It was an attack against ALL JEWS. Buddyzbuddy Sep 25 #25
Vile behavior Bread and Circuses Sep 25 #26
I agree!!!!!! ReRe Sep 25 #27
Names and faces should be public wolfie001 Sep 25 #31

meow2u3

(25,224 posts)
19. Seems to me like rich bigots were responsible for this
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 08:45 PM
Sep 24

Frat bros can usually afford to waste a good cut of pork to commit a hate crime against Jewish people when that meat could have been eaten or given to poor families. But NOOOOOO!

RVN VET71

(3,089 posts)
32. Rich Nazi spawn at Syracuse University, apparently
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 07:42 AM
Sep 25

I don't actually know the boys' (emphasis on that word) motives, but I am thinking they were laughing as they drove off. But they didn't laugh because they had pulled off a daring act of undergraduate silliness, a "prank". They laughed at what they had done to Jews, at their attack on Jews, on Jewish culture, on Jewish belief and religion, at the slaughter of 6,000,000 Jews by the Nazis.

I hope the law deals with them fairly and justly. I expect the University will expel them. I also expect they've screwed up their own otherwise lily-white privileged futures.

Proud Beispiele für die MAGA-Herrenvolk!

AZJonnie

(2,017 posts)
7. Obviously this is hateful, but I'd hazard a guess it'll be pled down, without the hate crime part
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 06:35 PM
Sep 24

Unlike something like spray-painting swastikas on a temple wall, charging "tossing pork at a wall" as a hate crime might be a bit of a stretch in a court of law. Not sure you'd get a conviction is all I mean

I like that these assholes are going to have to sweat it out for a while though, they definitely deserve that. And they sure as hell need to be EXPELLED, post-haste!

SSJVegeta

(1,869 posts)
9. Charging this as a hate crime seems en par with charging bigoted tweets over religion the same way.
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 06:46 PM
Sep 24

karynnj

(60,611 posts)
17. Even ignoring kashrut, this is a hateful, disgusting action
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 08:03 PM
Sep 24

intended to ruin the holiday. The frat was attacked only because it was Jewish. Imagine how you would feel if someone broke into your house and threw a bag of meat at your dining room wall when you prepared to celebrate a meal.
You agree ( as would I) that painting swastikas on a synagogue is a hate crime. In some ways, this might be worse as it is directed against Jews for no reason other than being Jewish and destroys their sense of security in their home.

AZJonnie

(2,017 posts)
39. Again, not Jewish so not sure
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 01:44 PM
Sep 25

But I'd think something they're not supposed to eat per their religion, only applicable to the religiously adherent compared to a symbol of enslavement & slaughter of millions of them based on ethnicity would seem to me to be on fairly different levels. But again my point was what charges would likely succeed in court. I guess it would depend on the applicable law and how it's written

AZJonnie

(2,017 posts)
42. Again, in no way downplaying how shitty this was, the people need to be firmly punished
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 06:41 PM
Sep 25

I support the hate crime charge, throw the book at these jerks If they can make it stick, great! My suspicion is that they'll leverage it to get a guilty plea on burglary and vandalism w/o going to court though. If prosecutors could count on a jury of 12 observant Jews, it'd be a shoo-in, but they can't. I dunno, hoping we'll hear how it turns out later.

Thanks for the talk and info

stopdiggin

(14,605 posts)
8. can be little real doubt that this action was specifically targeting ....
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 06:45 PM
Sep 24

I would be additionally interested to see if there was somebody, or something, behind (and encouraging?, incentivizing?) the perpetrators ... ?
The terms 'grooming' and 'radicalization' - cover some significant territory ...
One could hope, I suppose, that this was some kind of sick frat boy prank. Still pretty ugly stuff (and knowingly so?) - but that would be putting the best possible spin ...

LudwigPastorius

(13,694 posts)
22. This fits the legal definition of a hate crime if he was not invited into the frat house.
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 11:11 PM
Sep 24
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/485.05

A prosecutor would have to prove that he entered unbidden and that his motivation was because they were Jewish.

Don't know about the first part, but the second part seems pretty evident.

stopdiggin

(14,605 posts)
24. if they had smeared the blood into swastikas - would you're answer remain the same?
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 01:39 AM
Sep 25

And if it does not - then you would admit that symbolism, and symbolic action (?) (sometimes) meets that bar .. ?

Note: I think you have a right to your own threshold/bar. Just laying out a thought process.

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #24)

yardwork

(68,434 posts)
34. Maybe you don't understand the circumstances and meaning here.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 08:09 AM
Sep 25

Jewish people who keep kosher don't eat or even touch pork. Throwing pork against the walls and floors of their home, during the high holy days, is an intentional act of religious hatred.

rpannier

(24,791 posts)
14. Would not be surprised if we find out they're
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 07:46 PM
Sep 24

Candace Owens listeners
That woman may be the worst person among the anti-Semitic crowd

rpannier

(24,791 posts)
15. They should be jailed until they grow up.
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 07:47 PM
Sep 24

They'd likely be in jail for a verrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyy long time
I wouldn't miss them

Srkdqltr

(9,055 posts)
20. Probably, throwing pork at people who don't eat pork is so beond stupid.
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 09:31 PM
Sep 24

Should we throw coffee at people who don't drink coffee?

Paladin

(31,850 posts)
16. I'd expect a lot better, from Syracuse students.
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 07:52 PM
Sep 24

Hope they get kicked out.

And yes, as a matter of fact I do have relatives who are Syracuse graduates.

yardwork

(68,434 posts)
36. Syracuse is a good school. This could happen anywhere.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 08:11 AM
Sep 25

There's a lot of bad people in our country right now, doing bad things.

Polybius

(21,061 posts)
18. I'd like to see what the accused look like, or at least their names
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 08:29 PM
Sep 24

Are they MAGA? Pro-Palestinian activists? Pranksters? We need a motive.

yardwork

(68,434 posts)
37. It's going to be the same motive.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 08:15 AM
Sep 25

Maybe this is a good opportunity to pause and look at what underlies the hate crimes committed against Jewish people.

MAGA? They hate Jewish people.

Pranksters? Why this particular target and use of calculated symbolism? They hate Jewish people.

Pro-Palestinian "activists"? How does committing a religious hate crime against a Jewish fraternity in upstate New York help the people in Gaza? They hate Jewish people.

It's always the same motive, no matter how you dress it up.

AZLD4Candidate

(6,704 posts)
21. As an alum of Sigma Alpha Mu (another Jewish fraternity), I am not shocked but completed sickened
Wed Sep 24, 2025, 09:35 PM
Sep 24

While there is a friendly rivalry between the three Jewish fraternities (ZBT, Alpha Epsilon Pi, and mine), we all come together when Jews are targeted.

But we've been targeted many times since Oct 4th. This is just another attack on Jews that will be whitewashed by pretty much everyone.

Buddyzbuddy

(1,783 posts)
25. This should not be treated lightly. It was an attack against ALL JEWS.
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 01:55 AM
Sep 25

They should be charged with everything possible to recieve the maximum possible penalty. Let's see how funny they think that is. It is a form of terrorism in the classic sense of the word. Comparable to setting a cross on fire in a yard by the KKK. It's done to strike fear. The fear must be felt by the attackers therefore the greatest possible penalties must be ordered both as a punishment as well as a deterrence to all future attacks.

Bread and Circuses

(1,316 posts)
26. Vile behavior
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 02:24 AM
Sep 25

All this hate and lack of civility is directly tied to over 50 years of hate and lies from the Rat Republicans,

I’m very sorry for the Jewish Students during Rosh Hashanah.

May Loving-Kindness surround all humanity.

ReRe

(12,148 posts)
27. I agree!!!!!!
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 02:53 AM
Sep 25

Throw them behind bars. They should be charged for more than just hate. They should be severely (yrs behind bars) punished for being a menace to CIVILIZATION itself. Throw the book at them!~!!!!

Syracuse University, no less!~ Throw them out of all NCAA sports!

I'm pissed, if you can't tell. Sorry.

wolfie001

(6,375 posts)
31. Names and faces should be public
Thu Sep 25, 2025, 07:37 AM
Sep 25

I hope someone leaks them ASAP. Shame them. And then let the judicial consequences follow.

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