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BumRushDaShow

(164,494 posts)
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 04:10 PM Monday

Zelensky rules out ceding land to Russia, refusing to bow to Putin or Trump

Source: Washington Post

December 8, 2025 at 3:12 p.m. EST


LONDON — Ukraine will not surrender territory, President Volodymyr Zelensky declared on Monday, rejecting a central Russian demand that President Donald Trump had incorporated into his latest proposal to end the Kremlin’s war. “Under our laws, under international law—and under moral law—we have no right to give anything away,” Zelensky said, after meeting with top European leaders to discuss Trump’s plan on Monday. “That is what we are fighting for.”

The unequivocal declaration that Ukraine would not surrender land could mark the collapse of Trump’s latest plan to end the war, which critics condemned as fulfilling a wish list of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Zelensky, speaking to journalists aboard his flight following consultations with British, French and German leaders in London, laid out one of his clearest public statements yet on the emerging U.S.-backed proposal. He said the plan had been stripped of what he called “explicitly anti-Ukrainian provisions,” suggesting that Kyiv was open to a deal.

But he stood firm on the issue of land — a view shared by European leaders who have insisted that Putin should not be permitted to redraw recognized international boundaries by force.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/12/08/europe-ukraine-leaders-trump-plan/



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Zelensky rules out ceding land to Russia, refusing to bow to Putin or Trump (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Monday OP
Good..................... Lovie777 Monday #1
Thank you. I so want Zelensky, the EU, and all of NATO to back Trump down into a hole so deep he cries hlthe2b Monday #2
Yeah, I hope this indicates that the EU will support Ukraine not fooled Monday #3
DAMN SKIPPY Leghorn21 Monday #4
Slave Ukraini. sheshe2 Monday #5
Hear Hear! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Monday #23
... sheshe2 Monday #25
YOU DA MAN PRESIDENT ZELENSKY BOSSHOG Monday #6
And people who don't give a f@@k about Ukraine SupportSanity 12 hrs ago #40
🌻🇺🇦❤️🇺🇦🌻 Slava Ukraini! 🌻🇺🇦❤️🇺🇦🌻 littlemissmartypants Monday #7
putin would take and keep taking. C Moon Monday #8
But Niall Ferguson just wrote that this latest proposal by tRump could really succeed! nt BootinUp Monday #9
Good MustLoveBeagles Monday #10
Exactly -- they were invaded with no provocation Rocknation Monday #12
Yes! duckworth969 Monday #11
That's the right way!! TYVM! bluestarone Monday #13
Remember how the world worked before WW1? maxsolomon Monday #14
1930's Redux 2na fisherman Monday #15
NO LAND for THIEVING, DICTATOR Putin! 🌻🇺🇦🌻 electric_blue68 Monday #16
Maybe our elected leaders should be speaking up as much as, well, Zelenskyy, or Mark Kelly. twodogsbarking Monday #17
Good! blue-wave Monday #18
Zelenskyy should be admired by ALL OF US. n/t Safe as Milk Monday #19
GOOD ... Glory to Ukraine! 🌻🇺🇦🌻nt Raine Monday #20
Volodymyr Zelensky is not Neville Chamberlain Jack Valentino Monday #21
Good..he shouldn't cede any land jfz9580m Monday #22
Hold on, Zelensky, you will prevail. I wish the US had fully backed you, as we should have, but Ukraine will survive Martin68 Monday #24
Dignity and integrity! yellow dahlia Monday #26
But what about my Nobel Prize? Donny Dementia Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Monday #27
As they say in Mexico: Por eso fue el pleito - That's the whole reason for the brawl Xipe Totec Monday #28
PREACH IT, VOLODYMYR Skittles Monday #29
Most excellent news! Bayard Monday #30
Fuck yes. LudwigPastorius Monday #31
Fuck Trump Historic NY Monday #32
I strongly suspect that before Trump is worm bait Dan Yesterday #33
We have known that he is since before he ran in 2015. niyad 14 hrs ago #38
This is no surprise to those of us who have followed this Ukraine-Russia conflict from the outset Janbdwl72 Yesterday #34
Ukraine and the EU should take the following actions moonshinegnomie 20 hrs ago #35
How much of Eastern France did Germany get to keep after WW II? Botany 16 hrs ago #36
God Bless him and Ukraine!! Joinfortmill 15 hrs ago #37
Met with Pope Leo today Zertz11 13 hrs ago #39
God bless him! Love this quote of his: calimary 11 hrs ago #41
Why should he cede any land? dlk 11 hrs ago #42
Consider United24 in your holiday giving Chrysanthemum 9 hrs ago #43

hlthe2b

(112,441 posts)
2. Thank you. I so want Zelensky, the EU, and all of NATO to back Trump down into a hole so deep he cries
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 04:13 PM
Monday

"wolf" repeatedly, hourly, and until he leaves office--one way or another.

not fooled

(6,564 posts)
3. Yeah, I hope this indicates that the EU will support Ukraine
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 04:25 PM
Monday

to a sufficient level, now that the former Land of the Free has thrown in with pootin.

The EU realizes what ruzzia's "sphere of influence" entails.

BOSSHOG

(44,364 posts)
6. YOU DA MAN PRESIDENT ZELENSKY
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 04:34 PM
Monday

Gosh, if only the US had a real Patriot and a real man as President. Unfortunately people who dont give a fuck about our country vote.

SupportSanity

(1,561 posts)
40. And people who don't give a f@@k about Ukraine
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 12:43 PM
12 hrs ago

also vote. They follow Russia lover Trump and share his sympathy to Russia. Unfortunately.

Rocknation

(44,959 posts)
12. Exactly -- they were invaded with no provocation
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 05:37 PM
Monday

UN-invade them, problem solved, peace accomplished!


Rocknation

bluestarone

(20,979 posts)
13. That's the right way!! TYVM!
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 05:40 PM
Monday

Lot of Americans in your corner Volodymyr. Be safe though, they want you gone from this planet.

maxsolomon

(38,036 posts)
14. Remember how the world worked before WW1?
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 05:58 PM
Monday

Conquering territory from other nations through war is how human history worked. Putin believes we're back to normalcy, and we might be. Certainly Trump DGAF. India and China DGAF.

What's been the repercussions to China for taking Tibet? Nothing. The cost to Russia for taking Karelia from the Finns? Nothing. Russia taking the Konigsberg/Kaliningrad exclave from Germany at the end of WW2? Nothing.

Ukraine may not cede the land, but they will be hard-pressed to retake what's been lost. Zelenskyy knows this.

What is short of formal cession? Calling it "Occupied Territory"?

2na fisherman

(201 posts)
15. 1930's Redux
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 06:03 PM
Monday

A diplomatic policy of appeasement didn't work then and it won't work now. How can these painful lessons of history be ignored? Answer: the traitorous greed and corruption of the so-called negotiators.

blue-wave

(4,798 posts)
18. Good!
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 06:34 PM
Monday

No appeasement of the invader!

Slava Ukraini!! Heroyam Slava!! Slava NaViki!!

Ukraine! Have your Flamingos at the ready!! Show Putin what you can do.

Martin68

(26,811 posts)
24. Hold on, Zelensky, you will prevail. I wish the US had fully backed you, as we should have, but Ukraine will survive
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 09:56 PM
Monday

intact because of your courage, and the courage of the Ukrainian people. When Democrats get back into power, we will help you rebuild.

Xipe Totec

(44,457 posts)
28. As they say in Mexico: Por eso fue el pleito - That's the whole reason for the brawl
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 10:56 PM
Monday

To protect sovereign territory. Why the fuck would we give it away in exchange for "peace"?

Bayard

(28,198 posts)
30. Most excellent news!
Mon Dec 8, 2025, 11:04 PM
Monday

When Zelenski says he can't give away land, that also means Russia can't just seize their land, including Crimea. trump is still bellyaching that Ukraine hasn't given up on getting it back. "Ukrainian resistance to permanently losing Crimea was making “it so difficult to settle this war,” warning that Ukraine risked losing “the whole country.” Its most certainly not trump's right to give away Ukrainian land.

Face it, donnie--your plan sucked, and nobody wanted it except you and Vlad.

Dan

(4,915 posts)
33. I strongly suspect that before Trump is worm bait
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 12:03 AM
Yesterday

We the nation will discover/uncover that Trump was/is a Russian agent doing Putin's bidding.

I often wonder what information was revealed to members of Congress that Moscow Mitch was so adamant not be revealed during Trump's first term.

When that information (whatever it is) is revealed I truly hope that Trump (his family), enablers (especially Mitch) and members of the Supreme Court, members of the Congress, the Media and the pod casters that made Trump possible, be tried for sedition.

Because even if Trump hasn't torn the nation apart he has truly broken us as a nation.

Janbdwl72

(242 posts)
34. This is no surprise to those of us who have followed this Ukraine-Russia conflict from the outset
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 12:08 AM
Yesterday

But one of the bravest leaders in the world has made his feelings clear, along with importantly, the feelings of the overwhelming majority of Ukraine citizens.

If the Felon had any intelligence, credibility, honest decency or true compassion for an American ally, he has not come close to showing it.

I cannot imagine any other previous occupant of the White House, under either party, who is more morally bankrupt and less of a true American.


moonshinegnomie

(3,790 posts)
35. Ukraine and the EU should take the following actions
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 04:05 AM
20 hrs ago

1) the eu will supply and weapons Ukraine needs.
2) the eu should start using frozen Russian assets to pay for weapons
3) if the us cuts Ukraine off they should then refuse and mediation by the us in peace talks.
4) theceu should start supplying drones to Ukraine to target russias weapon factories

Botany

(76,108 posts)
36. How much of Eastern France did Germany get to keep after WW II?
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 08:29 AM
16 hrs ago

That is Ukrainian land, the Ukrainian people should not be forced to live under Russian rule,
the strategic rare eating minerals are owned by Ukraine now matter how many people that
Vlad will kill to get them for Musk, and the rightful owners of the Crimea, the Crimean Tatars
have been fighting for years to return to their homeland.



If Vlad really wants peace then he can just bring his troops home.

calimary

(88,709 posts)
41. God bless him! Love this quote of his:
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 01:00 PM
11 hrs ago

“Under our laws, under international law—and under moral law—we have no right to give anything away”.

Love it! It speaks for everybody, even those in denial.

Chrysanthemum

(219 posts)
43. Consider United24 in your holiday giving
Tue Dec 9, 2025, 03:34 PM
9 hrs ago

Go here https://u24.gov.ua/ to donate to Ukraine. United24 is the official Ukrainian government website, set up by Zelensky, to allow people from all over the world to contribute to Ukraine's noble cause.

You can choose among quite a few categories for where you would like to give. For example: Defense (to support the military, and this is where I give), Medical Aid, Education and Science, Humanitarian Demining, Rebuilding Ukraine. All are truly worthy and urgent causes.

Be Santa's helper, and give to Ukraine!

Slava Ukraini!!!

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