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Sun Mar 2, 2025, 12:15 AM Mar 2

Putin Wins the Trump-Zelensky Oval Office Spectacle - WSJ Editorial

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The meeting between Messrs. Trump and Zelensky started out smoothly enough. “It’s a big commitment from the United States, and we appreciate working with you very much, and we will continue to do that,” Mr. Trump said of the mineral deal. Mr. Zelensky showed photos of Ukrainians mistreated as prisoners of war. “That’s tough stuff,” Mr. Trump said.

But then the meeting, in front of the world, descended into recriminations. The nose dive began with an odd interjection from Vice President JD Vance, who appeared to be defending Mr. Trump’s diplomacy, which Mr. Zelensky hadn’t challenged. Mr. Zelensky rehearsed the many peace agreements Mr. Putin has shredded and essentially asked Mr. Vance what would be different this time.

Mr. Vance unloaded on Mr. Zelensky—that he was “disrespectful,” low on manpower, and gives visitors to Ukraine a “propaganda” tour. President Trump appeared piqued by Mr. Zelensky’s suggestion that the outcome in Ukraine would matter to the U.S. “Your country is in big trouble. You’re not winning,” Mr. Trump said at one point.

Why did the Vice President try to provoke a public fight? Mr. Vance has been taking to his X.com account in what appears to be an effort to soften up the political ground for a Ukraine surrender, most recently writing off Mr. Putin’s brutal invasion as a mere ethnic rivalry. Mr. Vance dressed down Mr. Zelensky as if he were a child late for dinner. He claimed the Ukrainian hadn’t been grateful enough for U.S. aid, though he has thanked America countless times for its support. This was not the behavior of a wannabe statesman.

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Turning Ukraine over to Mr. Putin would be catastrophic for that country and Europe, but it would be a political calamity for Mr. Trump too. The U.S. President can’t simply walk away from that conflict, much as he would like to. Ukraine has enough weapons support to last until sometime this summer. But as the war stands, Mr. Putin sees little reason to make any concessions as his forces gain ground inch by bloody inch in Ukraine’s east.

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Putin Wins the Trump-Zelensky Oval Office Spectacle - WSJ Editorial (Original Post) question everything Mar 2 OP
"It is bewildering to see Mr. Trump's allies defending this debacle as some show of American strength." J_William_Ryan Mar 2 #1

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1. "It is bewildering to see Mr. Trump's allies defending this debacle as some show of American strength."
Sun Mar 2, 2025, 02:57 AM
Mar 2

It’s not bewildering, Trump’s allies are as much enemies of democracy as Trump, their defense of Trump is consistent with their defense of – and admiration for – Putin, and like Trump his allies have sided with Putin against Ukraine in defense of Putin’s lawless, criminal invasion.

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