Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

douglas9

(5,328 posts)
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 12:30 PM 21 hrs ago

The Long Con Comes To An End

Yesterday, Friday 21 November, ended up being one kind of day but it was supposed to be another. 21 November, in case you had forgotten, was supposed to be the day that the Trump Administration levelled crippling secondary sanctions on Chinese, Indian and Turkish companies that buy Russian oil. Indeed, the Treasury Department even hinted earlier this week that those secondary were ready to go. It capped off six weeks of a frenzy of reporting about how Trump was going to really hit Putin hard. Piles of articles (many of which had a fundamentally flawed understanding of the oil markets) were written about how Trump’s sanctions were real this time.

Even The Bulwark, fell for this con, and we saw a hopelessly naive article by Cathy Young about how Trump really was going to hurt Putin this time.

Well, yesterday came and went and, drumroll please….no secondary sanctions have been announced. Now, Chinese, Indian and Turkish oil companies can get back to business buying as much Russian oil as they want/can. Soon Russia will be making more than they were.

btw, the Chinese probably never stopped buying Russian oil, but that is a piece for another day.

Instead, what actually happened on November 21 was that the Trump Administration came for Ukraine—as they always intended to do. The Secretary of the Army, Dan Driscoll, a very close associate of VP JD Vance, went to Kyiv and tried to bully the Ukrainians into accepting Trump’s 28 Point Plan to neuter Ukraine. Driscoll formally presented the plan to divide Ukraine now, and end it later, and the reality of what Ukraine and Europe was facing finally sunk in. Here was how the Atlantic story on the meeting began.

https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/the-long-con-comes-to-an-end

8 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies

erronis

(22,051 posts)
1. Thanks for that good piece by Phillips OBrien - conniving bastards
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 02:17 PM
19 hrs ago

Some excellent long-game chess moves from one of the players.

It was an effective and devastating con, and it worked. Europe and Ukraine were left confused and hesitant, desperate not to offend a US president they dreamed might be won to their side. It would never happen, as the administration is right back to where it was at the start of its term. I wrote this piece just after the inauguration saying Trump’s plan had been the same for six months—we can now make it 15 months.

At least now the con is over and the Trump administration (and Trump and Vance are the drivers here—not Witkoff who is a patsy) is back to telling the truth. They want Putin to win and Ukraine to be devastated.

Sadly they fooled too many people for too long with their con. We can only hope the damage is not terminal.

Martin68

(26,678 posts)
2. I would disagree that the con left Europe and Ukraine "confused and hesitant." That was only the short-term reaction to
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 02:29 PM
19 hrs ago

Trump's unexpected betrayal. Ukraine was never hesitant, and Europe quickly closed ranks behind Ukraine.

ultralite001

(2,326 posts)
6. "Ukraine was never hesitant"...
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 03:32 PM
18 hrs ago

Thank dog for Zelenskyy + the ingenuity + tenacity of the Ukraine people...

May the new year bring Ukraine Peace + new found prosperity...

Slava Ukraini!!!
💛💙💛💙💛💙

dlk

(13,047 posts)
4. Isn't it amazing how educated and experienced reporters are repeatedly duped by Trump
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 03:14 PM
18 hrs ago

The learning curve is, apparently, much much steeper than we could have ever imagined.

czarjak

(13,347 posts)
5. Still asking!
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 03:29 PM
18 hrs ago

When did Russia stop being The Enemy Of The American People?
Because I was taught in church & school growing up that those "Godless Bastards" were the enemy.

ChicagoTeamster

(227 posts)
7. F**k**g treason weasels. Again, slapping every veteran that served Korea, Vietnam, Berlin etc in the face.
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 04:23 PM
17 hrs ago

Trump and Vance selling out to the Russians.

Emrys

(8,790 posts)
8. I generally respect OBrien a lot, and he's undoubtedly and obviously vastly more qualified than I am to form opinions
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 04:32 PM
17 hrs ago

on international affairs, but I think he gives the administration - and Trump especially - far more credit than it's due for competence and ability to formulate and execute the sort of strategy OBrien's suggesting. I've noticed that OBrien does frequently attribute more guile to Trump than I believe he's capable of.

I think we're looking more at agents of chaos than masterminds of some grand long-term scheme, and Trump is famously impulsive and prone to jarring reversals of course.

The rollout of this "plan" has been shambolic, the timing of its revelation was forced by manipulation of journalists at Axios by Kirill Dmitriev, who'd been given the bum's rush by Scott Bessent, who dismissed him as a "propagandist", before he found a more receptive audience in witless Witkoff, with whom he rekindled a "plan" that had been put on the back burner after most of its key points were rejected all round earlier in the year.

For something allegedly so long in the preparation, the plan is an utterly shoddy piece of work which shows clear evidence of key sections being unprofessionally translated from Russian and was sprung on the US's supposed allies without any attempt at paving the way for it or counteracting some of the troublesome leaks and rumours. Even as a draft - which supposedly Zelensky absolutely must sign off on (or at least produce some sort of response that will meet with Trump's approval - even Trump's not clear about that) by Thanksgiving, it's incoherent, hand-wavingly vague on a number of critical points, such as securing the agreement of the European allies to vast commitments they're expected to make, and it doesn't look like Russia will approve of it anyway despite how heavily stacked it is in its favour.

This reinforces the idea that the famously ambitious and conceited Dmitriev (who's not an insider in the Kremlin's foreign affairs scene and reputedly is hated by Lavrov) decided to try to salvage at least something from his fruitless trip to the US, which had been a bit of a disaster up to then, by cooking a scheme up with Witkoff and few other miscreants.

The idea that Trump's attention span is capable of attending to, let alone approving meaningfully in detail, 28 points about anything is laughable. The idea he could hold such a scheme together as long as OBrien suggests seems improbable.

More likely, given that the plan had gained momentum thanks to various media outlets being manipulated by Dmitriev's leaks, Trump - who's been short of wins recently, maybe even a bit bored, and certainly keen for any distraction from the Epstein revelations - gave the go-ahead in general terms, and the opportunity was seized on by Vance and opportunistic others in the anti-Ukraine crowd in the administration as a chance to capitalize on a perceived weak period in Ukraine's leadership and at least make life a lot harder for them even if the plan comes to nothing.

So far the fallout for Trump hasn't been great. His party in Congress was already showing signs of fracturing, and there's bipartisan support for Ukraine both in Congress (increasingly vocally) and among the general US population. Foreign policy has been one of the few areas where Trump's approval ratings haven't been awful, but with this and the possibility of ugly things on the horizon in South America, along with the Israeli ceasefire holding in name only, he could find his ratings plunging.

Some are reminding us of the fuss around Trump's blessed mineral deal, which sucked up a whole lot of energy, caused a lot of angst, was trailed with bloodcurdling predictions of what it would involve, but in the end turned out not utterly terrible. I'm not quite that optimistic, but I wouldn't be surprised if this episode fizzles out in due course, not least because I don't think Putin's interested in stopping his war at present.

If any good comes out of it, maybe it will spur Ukraine and its allies to be even more wary of relying on Trump and the US in future. He's an oxygen thief, and a waste of sorely needed energy.

Latest Discussions»Editorials & Other Articles»The Long Con Comes To An ...