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(3,807 posts)
Wed Oct 22, 2025, 09:01 AM Wednesday

Why You Should Swap Passwords for Passphrases

Oct 22, 2025
The Hacker News


The advice didn't change for decades: use complex passwords with uppercase, lowercase, numbers, and symbols. The idea is to make passwords harder for hackers to crack via brute force methods. But more recent guidance shows our focus should be on password length, rather than complexity. Length is the more important security factor, and passphrases are the simplest way to get your users to create (and remember!) longer passwords.

The math that matters#
When attackers steal password hashes from a breach, they brute-force by hashing millions of guesses per second until something matches. The time this takes depends on one thing: how many possible combinations exist.

A traditional 8-character "complex" password (P@ssw0rd!) offers roughly 218 trillion combinations. Sounds impressive until you realize modern GPU setups can test those combinations in months, not years. Increase that to 16 characters using only lowercase letters, and you're looking at 26^16 combinations, billions of times harder to crack.

This is effective entropy: the actual randomness an attacker must work through. Three or four random common words strung together ("carpet-static-pretzel-invoke&quot deliver far more entropy than cramming symbols into short strings. And users can actually remember them.

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usonian

(21,906 posts)
1. Let's see what xkcd has to say.
Wed Oct 22, 2025, 09:17 AM
Wednesday


Here are some sites that will generate passphrases for you (I don't know about their security/privacy policy. Please check first)

https://correcthorse.pw/

https://xkpass.com/



On the other hand .....


This is how some bitcoin wallets get stolen. The (very) brute force way.

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And way technical:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/936:_Password_Strength

But very seriously. When I was department sysadmin, I was checking one of the workstations and didn't know the password. I looked at a picture on the wall, of some musical or opera and there was the password. Nailed it in 10 seconds.

usonian

(21,906 posts)
3. Glad to help.
Wed Oct 22, 2025, 10:10 AM
Wednesday

One clever trick (not my invention) was to hack the "passwd" command, so that when people entered new or changed passwords, they were checked against dictionaries on the way IN, when they were unencrypted. This was lightning fast compared to cracking them (with my white hat on) after they were entered and encrypted by the system.

And the usual culprits turned up in the latter. 12345, and a bunch of department-related and dumb/naughty stuff.

I very strongly recommend a password manager app. I use Samurai Safe. (1)
That way, I can create really obscure passwords for various sites (I won't share how I create them, though most password managers will offer to do it for. you) and gladly forget them, asking the app for the password when needed.

You can also save a PDF (optionally encrypted) of your passwords, in case you are incapacitated. Put the printout in a lockbox, or give someone that you trust the password.

(1) https://samarama.net/
For ios and macos.
Free always.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,227 posts)
4. I keep a file of passwords on my computer.
Wed Oct 22, 2025, 10:52 AM
Wednesday

So far it's 118 passwords long.

I really hate the sites that require a new password periodically.

usonian

(21,906 posts)
6. At the very least, encrypt the file. If you make a printout for emergencies, lock it up physically.
Wed Oct 22, 2025, 12:08 PM
Wednesday

Password manager apps are designed to do this, and some synch across devices.

Password managers are also free or cheap.

I manage the app's "vault" file (and/or copies) and trust nobody else to manage them (you saw what happened when Amazon AWS faceplanted)

Safe Computing!

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,227 posts)
7. I understand the need for passwords.
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 10:36 AM
Thursday

But I bet my 118 are not close to a record, even for a relatively casual internet user as myself.

And I doubt anyone will ever hack this computer to find my password file. Meanwhile, the big companies screw up password management all the time.

usonian

(21,906 posts)
8. Do you back up to a cloud provider? Do you click on odd links? Do you email yourself the file?
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 11:18 AM
Thursday

Malware can rummage through your files.

My ex had a printer problem. She googled (avoid google like the plague) HP printer support, and some creep faked it, and got high rank via SEO. Had her install remote desktop to diagnose (it's malware) and so on.

She eventually cleaned up the mess.

I encrypt sensitive files. Just now, I went through all my phone photos that I transferred to the computer. License, credit cards .... all dragged to a doc folder that I am encrypting right now.

Not entirely paranoid.

"just enough?"

I tell everyone: "Ask me before doing anything on the computer."

Your computer is connected to the internet. Your lockbox isn't. YET

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,227 posts)
9. I do far less on line than anyone else who is not an actual luddite.
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 01:04 PM
Thursday

I do voice, and rarely, text on my phone. I don't do the promiscuous on-line stuff most people do on their phones. Oddly enough, I simply don't get things suddenly taking over my computer. Safe Computing is a lot like Safe Sex.

I have something called SpamArrest on my computer which means 99% of spam goes straight to that folder. And I've long known not to click on anything unsolicited.

I'm also good at researching, don't just always go for the first result. I'm also inclined to do things like take my computer back to the store where I bought it and have them help out.

I am sorry your wife had the printer problem.

And if you don't google, how do you find anything? I've never gotten into trouble with it.

I also point out that I've been using computers since before most of you were born. In 1969 I went to work for Mohawk Airlines, which was the second airline in the entire world to get a computerized reservations system.

usonian

(21,906 posts)
10. Great response. In 1970 or so, there was this draft .... Aerospace and other fun stuff came later.
Thu Oct 23, 2025, 01:49 PM
Thursday

Google is a spy agency. It knows everything you do there (I am sure that they have a shadow profile on me, even though I use them very rarely and don't have an account) they never forget and they gleefully sell your data to advertisers and cops.

I mostly use DuckDuckGo (and others) because they erase any collected data (IP address, browser, OS, etc) daily.

So, when I search "kill switch" I don't get entered in to a database of murder suspects.

Happy and safe computing.

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